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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 07:56:35
May 13 2009 07:56 GMT
#1
Okay so let me get this straight every religion, well almost all of them I guess, believe in a heaven and a hell respectively. Here's is my question:

Say a Christian tells a Buddhist that he/she is going to hell because they do not believe in Jesus Christ or God etc.

Wait a minute so what happened to all those people before the time of Christ etc. Or the people before Moses, or during the Ice Age.

And the same question vice versa. Such as Islam, and more importantly Judaism. Where was the Christian heaven which ultimately derived itself from Judaic teachings...? Because I'm sure the two religions have differing views of Heaven etc.

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 13 2009 07:58 GMT
#2
lol atheism
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 13 2009 07:59 GMT
#3
A starcraft forum is a good place to start a religious debate
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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
May 13 2009 08:02 GMT
#4
They're lost souls, lost in Limbo. Or they're caged in the wall surrounding the City of Doors. Or they're reincarnated. Or they dissapear. Or they're never there in the first place, since a 'soul' is just a delusion brought on by man to grant hope when life seems like poo.

That should about cover it.
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
May 13 2009 08:04 GMT
#5
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
May 13 2009 08:06 GMT
#6
i believe Christianity's explanation for this is that people who were alive before Christ, but still believed that he was coming, would also go to heaven.

idk fo sho tho
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
May 13 2009 08:06 GMT
#7
in alternative Christian thinking, hell and heaven are states of mind. think about that.
I am not good with quotes
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 13 2009 08:09 GMT
#8
Limbo, yo. First circle of Hell. You get to run around doing nothing and occasionally guide foolish mortals to through the deeper circles of Hell! Good ol' Dante.
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Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
May 13 2009 08:09 GMT
#9
A grain of salt for you, there is no Hell in Judaism, only Garden of Eden which is somewhat similar to Heaven... but not really the same.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 13 2009 08:17 GMT
#10
On May 13 2009 17:09 Aqo[il] wrote:
A grain of salt for you, there is no Hell in Judaism, only Garden of Eden which is somewhat similar to Heaven... but not really the same.


Yup, Also Islam states that they are a gazillion of prophets before Mohammed and if you follow any of those (including Jesus and Ebraham) its A-OK as long as you keep up to date. Lots of religions have a vision of the afterlife but not all have a vision of hell, Hindus dont believe in hell, but believe in some sort of heaven. Eastern religions are not concerned with Heaven and hell but most of the time a cycle of suffering and you try to break out of the cycle, they are a lot more philosophical, Buddhism and Hinduism the biggest two fall into these categories.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
ReCharge
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Philippines505 Posts
May 13 2009 08:24 GMT
#11
On May 13 2009 17:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Limbo, yo. First circle of Hell. You get to run around doing nothing and occasionally guide foolish mortals to through the deeper circles of Hell! Good ol' Dante.


What book what that again? Damn, I loved that book. But I lost it, and now, I wanna read it again.
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2749 Posts
May 13 2009 08:25 GMT
#12
There were no people before judaism, because the world is only 3000 year old. Where could those people have lived if there was no earth? well?
HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
May 13 2009 08:38 GMT
#13
Jesus was jewish hes like the main man for religion

so what i say is fuck it who cares is everyone is wrong live ur life jesus fucked up and hes not in hell obvs
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 13 2009 08:38 GMT
#14
On May 13 2009 17:25 Navane wrote:
There were no people before judaism, because the world is only 3000 year old. Where could those people have lived if there was no earth? well?


Get your shit straight man, Judiasm doesnt exist, its just a conspiracy no? I mean the world is only 3k years old, then how is Judiasm 4k years old?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
May 13 2009 08:49 GMT
#15
Of all the things to nitpick about religion..
stet_tcl
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Greece319 Posts
May 13 2009 09:21 GMT
#16
Religion (western ones actually) is based on the fact that it only "works" if you don't try to rationalize it or make sense out of it. You just have to believe. Especially the "who is going to heaven and who is going to hell" concept will never make sense.

All the rules and sins and heaven and hell stuff is complete bs in my opinion.
Whats good about christianity is what Jesus taught like help and love each other, don't hurt others, you dont need earthly possessions to be happy etc.

In my opinion, if believing in a religion makes you feel good and helps you become a better person then go for it (NOT because you parents taught you that way or sth)
But dont take all that stuff literally!
Guilford
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia290 Posts
May 13 2009 09:53 GMT
#17
On May 13 2009 17:24 ReCharge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 17:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Limbo, yo. First circle of Hell. You get to run around doing nothing and occasionally guide foolish mortals to through the deeper circles of Hell! Good ol' Dante.


What book what that again? Damn, I loved that book. But I lost it, and now, I wanna read it again.


Is it the Divine Comedy?
Being forgotten is worse than death.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 10:05:40
May 13 2009 09:58 GMT
#18
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1l4h4_the-final-exammormons-are-the-answe_news
extracheez
Profile Joined January 2009
Australia151 Posts
May 13 2009 10:07 GMT
#19
This is why I'm atheist.
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
May 13 2009 10:08 GMT
#20
ITT: Science fiction.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
May 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#21
On May 13 2009 16:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Wait a minute so what happened to all those people before the time of Christ etc. Or the people before Moses, or during the Ice Age.

c.


they are all burning inside the core of the earth keeping us warm and cozy, its a scientific fact
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
May 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#22
@ op:

that's a kiddie question. if you look at religion like this you're not going to get anything out of it. if you take such a sophisticated text as the bible at face value it has to sound stupid. it's like dismissing a novel as rubbish by saying "it's not realistic" or a scientific text by saying "it's boring".

as long as you look at religion like this just don't bother with it/talking about it. nobody forces you to believe, and if you run into people that tell you that you won't go to heaven if you don't believe in god just don't take them seriously. it's stupid and you can't argue with them anyway. just remember that judging something you don't understand is stupid too.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
May 13 2009 10:31 GMT
#23
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
May 13 2009 11:14 GMT
#24
Allow me to put in the tl;dr

On May 13 2009 19:31 distant_voice wrote:
that's a kiddie question. if you look at religion like this you're not going to get anything out of it. if you take such a sophisticated text as the bible at face value it has to sound stupid. it's like dismissing a novel as rubbish by saying "it's not realistic" or a scientific text by saying "it's boring".


So don't question religion. And don't interpret the holy book based on what is written in it. You stoopid for doing so.

On May 13 2009 19:31 distant_voice wrote:
as long as you look at religion like this just don't bother with it/talking about it. nobody forces you to believe, and if you run into people that tell you that you won't go to heaven if you don't believe in god just don't take them seriously. it's stupid and you can't argue with them anyway. just remember that judging something you don't understand is stupid too.


Don't share your analysis and questions, theists don't want to hear it. You stoopiiid for doing so.

Wow fabulous water tight arguments. I wish i could end all debates with "you stooopiiid"
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McCrank
Profile Joined March 2008
204 Posts
May 13 2009 11:24 GMT
#25
Since the earth is only 6000 years old the people who lived in north and south america, europe, asia, africa "before God was introduced" are people who abandoned god in favor for human lust when humans was thrown out of the garden of eden.
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
May 13 2009 11:33 GMT
#26
On May 13 2009 20:14 Railxp wrote:
Allow me to put in the tl;dr

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 19:31 distant_voice wrote:
that's a kiddie question. if you look at religion like this you're not going to get anything out of it. if you take such a sophisticated text as the bible at face value it has to sound stupid. it's like dismissing a novel as rubbish by saying "it's not realistic" or a scientific text by saying "it's boring".


So don't question religion. And don't interpret the holy book based on what is written in it. You stoopid for doing so.

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 19:31 distant_voice wrote:
as long as you look at religion like this just don't bother with it/talking about it. nobody forces you to believe, and if you run into people that tell you that you won't go to heaven if you don't believe in god just don't take them seriously. it's stupid and you can't argue with them anyway. just remember that judging something you don't understand is stupid too.


Don't share your analysis and questions, theists don't want to hear it. You stoopiiid for doing so.

Wow fabulous water tight arguments. I wish i could end all debates with "you stooopiiid"


do question religion and do share your analysis and questions, but put more effort into it and study harder before you criticise. I'm not a theist. I'm not even what people call religious myself.
This is my truth, tell me yours!
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 13 2009 12:40 GMT
#27
Basically whatever you want to believe.
No I'm never serious.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
May 13 2009 17:46 GMT
#28
Surely one's vision of heaven can be other's vision of hell and vice versa.

One of interesting quotes from Tibetan Book of the Dead suggests that when you die entities come whose job it is to dismantle your ego -- what makes you the person who you are. If you are ready for them, they appear as angels but if you struggle they seem to be demons.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 13 2009 18:20 GMT
#29
This is why only Pastafarianism makes sense. In the beginning, there was a mountain, some trees, and a midget. At least we're logical.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
May 13 2009 20:04 GMT
#30
On May 13 2009 16:58 Caller wrote:
lol atheism

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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
May 13 2009 22:18 GMT
#31
On May 13 2009 18:53 Guilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 17:24 ReCharge wrote:
On May 13 2009 17:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Limbo, yo. First circle of Hell. You get to run around doing nothing and occasionally guide foolish mortals to through the deeper circles of Hell! Good ol' Dante.


What book what that again? Damn, I loved that book. But I lost it, and now, I wanna read it again.


Is it the Divine Comedy?


Yeah, part one of the Comedy, Inferno.
TranslatorBaa!
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 01:37:02
May 14 2009 01:15 GMT
#32
Answer to the question posed in OP:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=1ec52f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____

You can use the links for more info, scripture references and articles dedicated to the subject.

Here's a few you can open up and read:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=e3cea1615ac0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f318118dd536c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=f0791c90483eb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=2d99307e3584b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

If the question is sincere, you can read the articles.

Here is the opening paragraph of the first article:

"Christian theologians have long wrestled with the question, What is the destiny of the countless billions who have lived and died with no knowledge of Jesus? With the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ has come the understanding of how the unbaptized dead are redeemed and how God can be “a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also."
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