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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On April 30 2009 10:43 goldenkrnboi wrote: lol? i haven't even taken econ in high school yet, and even i know that in a recession, it's better to spend more. Same here brotha. UmmTheHobo is stupid. | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 30 2009 11:21 FastEddieV wrote: Bit too biased on both sides with too much cherry-picking information. Not enough objectivity in this. lol what did you expect? A full write up of every potentially positive and negative thing Obama did for 100 days? On a TL blog? plz | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Obama deserves credit for being seemingly more transparent, and I'm not in a position to fault him for a lot of the stimulus decisions (I don't think anyone on TL is, either) but they're still extraditing people to secret detention facilities outside the US, and the release of the Bush Torture Memos was a stupid, stupid decision. The CIA is understandably upset and shaken by it and what he said about not prosecuting people was essentially unconstitutional, which is odd coming from a constitutional scholar from UC. Executive branch has no authority to start or stop investigations on the matter, and if Congress does pursue it, it could seriously dismantle the CIA's ability to conduct itself around the world. There's a lot of countries who publicly complain about US intelligence services, but are actually supporting it behind the scenes. Interestingly, Pelosi probably has the most power to correct Obama's mistake right now, since it's her neck on the line as well. | ||
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Jimtudor
Canada259 Posts
On April 30 2009 11:40 Sentenal wrote: How good Obama's First 100 Days have been is completely dependent on your political viewpoint. If you are more Liberal, they have been good. If you are more Conservative, they have been bad. From Obama's viewpoint, his first 100 Days have been very successful. I think people who at least try to be objective will see his presidency at this stage has largely been succesful. He is doing or setting in motion most of the things he promised to do during the campaign. His first step on the world stage was very poised. There are no scandals, government is more transparent, and his team seems focused on the economy and is active. You can disagree with his politics, but he is doing well for what he campaigned to do, especially in this economic downturn. Also, he has backed down from not prosecuting the architects of torture. | ||
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Ideas
United States8091 Posts
On April 30 2009 11:42 Jibba wrote: Fox is certainly far off the mark, but I feel like you're a bit off as well, StealthBlue, and I say this as someone who was employed by the campaign over the summer. Obama deserves credit for being seemingly more transparent, and I'm not in a position to fault him for a lot of the stimulus decisions (I don't think anyone on TL is, either) but they're still extraditing people to secret detention facilities outside the US, and the release of the Bush Torture Memos was a stupid, stupid decision. The CIA is understandably upset and shaken by it and what he said about not prosecuting people was essentially unconstitutional, which is odd coming from a constitutional scholar from UC. Executive branch has no authority to start or stop investigations on the matter, and if Congress does pursue it, it could seriously dismantle the CIA's ability to conduct itself around the world. There's a lot of countries who publicly complain about US intelligence services, but are actually supporting it behind the scenes. Interestingly, Pelosi probably has the most power to correct Obama's mistake right now, since it's her neck on the line as well. why was it stupid to release the torture memos? and why is it unconstitutional to not prosecute? (not trolling, just curious) | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 30 2009 12:06 Jimtudor wrote: I think people who at least try to be objective will see his presidency at this stage has largely been succesful. He is doing or setting in motion most of the things he promised to do during the campaign. His first step on the world stage was very poised. There are no scandals, government is more transparent, and his team seems focused on the economy and is active. You can disagree with his politics, but he is doing well for what he campaigned to do, especially in this economic downturn. Also, he has backed down from not prosecuting the architects of torture. He has certainly been successful in terms of what he wants to do. My point was that how good or bad someone believes that to be for the country, depends on their political viewpoint. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
It is why they give back money on our taxes, so that we spend it and help the economy. | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
-socialist -communist (even though they are very different) -the new stalin -gay -unpatriotic -fascist that's just what i can think off of the top of my head. anybody want to add? | ||
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gchan
United States654 Posts
On April 30 2009 13:32 Trezeguet23 wrote: It is why they give back money on our taxes, so that we spend it and help the economy. Like the way the government of Japan did. | ||
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gchan
United States654 Posts
On April 30 2009 12:26 Ideas wrote: why was it stupid to release the torture memos? and why is it unconstitutional to not prosecute? (not trolling, just curious) He said in his post it's unconstitutional to not prosecute because it's not the executive branch's jursidiction to decide prosecution--it's Congress's jurisdiction. Obama really has no voice in this matter and by saying that they won't be prosecuting, he's overextending executive branch power. It was stupid to release the torture memos because, among other reasons, the CIA is going to get completely shafted. They already have a suspect reputation and these memos will only exacerbate the situation. Like it or not, every country needs a secret service to conduct espionage. The CIA will have a really hard time now recruiting talented people as well as retain whatever talent they have because of potential future exposure from presidents to come. Every president in the past has basically released memos on what was going on, but most of the stuff was blocked out for security reasons. This provided a sense of security for CIA agents. What Obama did was release the memos with no censorship so every name and every act is on the memos. He set a precedent for potentially every other future president to do the same...which would make all current CIA employees second guess what they do. | ||
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gchan
United States654 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
The other thing is that it's likely that many of the countries who have helped us find people and given the CIA a place to "conduct business," are publicly against the CIA's actions. They want the CIA to do what they do, but they don't want anyone to know that they want it. If you expose their ties to us, suddenly we have a lot less friends who trust us with information. Torture is still a terrible and unnecessary method, but you don't bring the CIA into the spotlight like that. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 30 2009 09:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: [list] [*]Proposed eliminating decades old subsidies to college loan middlemen, replacing them with direct financial aid to students, saving $48 billion. it's not a small amount neither close to more than 10k had been knock off the balance in my student loan. oh and then On April 30 2009 09:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: His first 100 days include: [*]Allocated $100 billion of Stimulus funds over two years for public schools, universities and child care centers. my school district about to go on strike beginning next school year after the summer break. Because we were just informed by the Washington Governor that we got a 5mil budget cut for the next year and the teacher union is whining. where's that 100billion stimulus funds in our public schools? are biatches taking those money and using them else where? or maybe 100billion is not enough to fun all the public schools in the US, when spread evenly there is no significant budget raise and combine with the bad economy right now all our public schools are fucked? Jibba???? any input on this? since you were in Obama's election team | ||
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
I can't believe those videos aren't spoofs. I am afraid, so very afraid for the mentality of the people that watch that seriously. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On April 30 2009 10:24 TheYango wrote: Take a course in basic macroeconomics, and learn why deficit spending is not stupid in times of recession. Then come back and make a post that contributes more. Thank you. Actually, Keynesian economics never works. It's just a ruse to get the public to buy into the idea of greater government intervention. Japan and the Lost Decade? Oh, what about the New Deal which was a massive disaster and prolonged the Great Depression for a whole 12 years, at which point the unemployment rate midway through the New Deal actually went back above 20% for over 20+ months. Couple that with FDR's own Treasury Secretary writing in his journal how the New Deal failed horribly and all it did was add to the debt. Sorry, Keynesian economics, does not work, never has, never will. It always ends up being a "We didn't spend enough, we have to spend more!" ad infinitum. There is never enough in Keynesian economics. What is smart for the individual, is smart for Government. On April 30 2009 10:43 goldenkrnboi wrote: lol? i haven't even taken econ in high school yet, and even i know that in a recession, it's better to spend more. So, let me see if I understand. You have no foundation for this statement, yet you testify to its truth? Have you tried taking a Logic course sometime? Any facts, empirical data to support your hypothesis, anything? On April 30 2009 11:42 Jibba wrote: Fox is certainly far off the mark, but I feel like you're a bit off as well, StealthBlue, and I say this as someone who was employed by the campaign over the summer. Obama deserves credit for being seemingly more transparent, and I'm not in a position to fault him for a lot of the stimulus decisions (I don't think anyone on TL is, either) but they're still extraditing people to secret detention facilities outside the US, and the release of the Bush Torture Memos was a stupid, stupid decision. The CIA is understandably upset and shaken by it and what he said about not prosecuting people was essentially unconstitutional, which is odd coming from a constitutional scholar from UC. Executive branch has no authority to start or stop investigations on the matter, and if Congress does pursue it, it could seriously dismantle the CIA's ability to conduct itself around the world. There's a lot of countries who publicly complain about US intelligence services, but are actually supporting it behind the scenes. Interestingly, Pelosi probably has the most power to correct Obama's mistake right now, since it's her neck on the line as well. How does it feel campaigning against all that America was founded upon? Saying your transparent doesn't make it so. He lies squarely in your face (Reading off the teleprompter no doubt (Hi TOTUS)), says he's a constitutional lawyer, but then does everything he can to trash it, and here he is saying he is transparent and people buying into it? This is getting eerily similar to previous points in human history. I shall henceforth call Obama the Nero of America. First off, no debate on the "Stimulus" bill, rammed through with no one reading it (Was impossible to read it). There goes his 5 day promise. Did he put it up online and let debate go through? Nope. He then goes on to say it's "earmark free", yet the whole bill was one giant earmark. An earmark follows characteristics, not the word "Earmark". Second, the hush-hush flyover and photop of NYC (Thank you Michelle Malkin for your FOIA request!), yes very transparent hiding that. Oh, lets not even bring up his Clinton 2.0 administration rampant with "transparent" tax fraud and evasion. Does this man have a vetting team, or is he so inexperienced he knows no one else? I could go on and on about his so called "transparent" administration, and I'm even leaving out some doozies. The "Stimulus" was one huge pile of a joke, that basically indebted our progeny. Many of the "programs" involved in the "Stimulus" are not stimulative, nor are they of great benefit to warrant enslaving our kids to a life of debt. In any case, a healthy economy relies on long-term sustainable jobs, not short-term employment that disappears a few years down the road. I'm not sure how many people understand just how much 1.5 trillion is...Secondly, this macro control of the US Economy by the Government is appalling, and is not a constitutional function of the Federal Government. Pelosi is controlling Obama, not the other way around. On April 30 2009 12:06 Jimtudor wrote: I think people who at least try to be objective will see his presidency at this stage has largely been succesful. He is doing or setting in motion most of the things he promised to do during the campaign. His first step on the world stage was very poised. There are no scandals, government is more transparent, and his team seems focused on the economy and is active. You can disagree with his politics, but he is doing well for what he campaigned to do, especially in this economic downturn. Also, he has backed down from not prosecuting the architects of torture. No, it has not largely been successful. Yes, he is doing those things, with no debate or input from Republicans (At least any that even tilt conservative and don't propose socialist-lite ideas), ramming legislation through that no one has time to read, and hiding things inside those bills. I also see a tri-fold increase of our debt, a huge success. Thank you Obama! His first step on the world stage was to apologize for America, not instill our virtues, to appease those who are our enemies, and to humiliate our closest ally in Britain. He didn't get anything at the G20 he wanted and bowing to a Saudi King is not what I call "poised". I do not care if socialists in Europe like him (That should at least open peoples eyes), thats just another reason for me to fight him at every chance we can. Why yes! Taking over banks, chrysler, GM, insurance companies, mortgages....that is what America is all about. Socialism! His handling of the economy is going to lead to the collapse of the USA (Monetization of our debt, always in human history has led to collapse), and to the erosion and loss of Liberty and Freedom and a slave like relationship to the Federal Government, which is everything this country "used" to stand against. I suppose, with a propaganda machine as infalliable as the Media (Face it, libs own 95% of the media in this country), they can twist everything, and attack everyone (Hello, there drive-by media). Yes, waterboarding the top 3 level Al'Qaeda agents is the "Architecture of Torture". You do know, that the US is one of the most lenient countries in the world when it comes to detainees, POW, etc, right? We have every right to shoot enemy combatants in the head, whether on the battlefield (Doesn't matter if they "surrendered" or not) or back in Guantanomo. Enemy Combatants have no rights according to the Geneva Convention. Perhaps, the Taliban and Al'Qaeda should actually put on a Uniform, and become a recognized, organized, military force? On April 30 2009 13:32 Trezeguet23 wrote: It is why they give back money on our taxes, so that we spend it and help the economy. How's that 13$ working for you? Gosh, it feels so great they are giving back to us! Wake up! Every bill that is coming out of DC is raising your living costs aka taxes. If this preposterous cap and trade makes it through, thats a huge TAX increase on you. You think the prices of energy aren't going to skyrocket? Ha! You don't think spending 6.2 trillion at the most conservative of estimate in the first 100 days is not going to raise your taxes? How do you plan on paying for that? If they wanted to actually help the economy, they would repeal the 16th Amendment, and institute the fair tax. You would see businesses and individuals boom like at no other point in history. Not only that, it finally abolishes this "progressive" aka socialist tax structure, that is upwards of 70,000 pages and which the Obama Administration doesn't even understand, hence they're mostly all tax evaders. Let's also do away with Affirmative Action while we are at it, and all other forms of racial, sexual, gender discrimination so the most qualified personnel are being hired, maybe then these minority groups will actually have to compete and would give them some incentive to improve themselves. Rei, that "school money" you talked about went to the NEA. The bloodsuckers that are the Union. The children won't see much, or any of it. Subsidizing failure breeds failure, and people wonder why our education system is in such disarray. DeMint, Inhofe, Palin, Coburn, Paul for 2012! Conservative/Libertarian fighting liberal hordes until I die. | ||
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