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sovietico
Profile Joined November 2007
Spain17 Posts
April 22 2009 01:19 GMT
#21
You are a country as long as u can exercise the function of a state in your territory. I dont mind if the 24 "insignificant specks on the map" are swazilan, guinea panama or whatever,the ROC , is a Sovereign territory so by deffinition it is a country, and its also recognized.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
April 22 2009 01:25 GMT
#22
Technically speaking, Taiwan is where the true government of China is currently. Eventually we will rise up and defeat the communist insurrectionists and retake our homeland.

But seriously, Jackie Chan makes some sense. I don't really agree with him but "adding freedoms in his native Hong Kong and Taiwan made those societies 'chaotic.'" is partly true. After the KMT got to Taiwan, things were pretty fascist, even if it was "democratic". Relatively speaking though, I think living in Taiwan 50 years ago was much better than living on mainland. My parents from Taiwan were worried about grades growing up while my girlfriends mom (chinese) was more worried about getting enough to eat.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 01:30:40
April 22 2009 01:30 GMT
#23
Zeal, the problems you cited has less to do with the freedom questions at hand than it does the lack of aid extended to PRC though, as for how democratic Taiwan was...well, until the first presidential election in the 90s, it wasn't anything close really. KMT had a death grip on the functioning of the country.

Replies getting a bit random though, instead of questioning the validity that Taiwan has as a country, one might be better served concentrating on the actual benefits and flaws of its society.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
April 22 2009 01:41 GMT
#24
Well, I think his comment was pretty stupid even if it was historically accurate, at least at face value. I really doubt that if China was to implement a true democratic government like a western country there would be chaos because Chinese people need to be controlled or something. Eventually I think China will implement some sort of democratic government, even if its one full of corruption and bribery. Taiwan could use a little fixing with regards to corruption too if you know what I mean.
panda_inc
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia170 Posts
April 22 2009 01:44 GMT
#25
Yea man i'll go buy an island name it Pandoria and write my own Panda Constitution, its a sovereign territory therefore you shall all address me as president of Pandoria.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
April 22 2009 02:08 GMT
#26
On April 22 2009 10:44 panda_inc wrote:
Yea man i'll go buy an island name it Pandoria and write my own Panda Constitution, its a sovereign territory therefore you shall all address me as president of Pandoria.


My mum loves pandas - if you did that she'd be your first refugee (which would probably be pretty awesome seen as she can cook enough good food for an entire nation lol.)
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 22 2009 02:53 GMT
#27
As people have already mentioned, criticizing Jackie Chan for his beliefs is rediculous and hypocritical. He can believe and say whatever the shit he wants, after all, it's America.

and Taiwan is not a country btw
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
April 22 2009 02:56 GMT
#28
taiwan vs china go!
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Z.Kw
Profile Joined February 2009
China297 Posts
April 22 2009 03:35 GMT
#29
"Exiled to north korea" ROFL thats funny
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 22 2009 03:36 GMT
#30
I think Jackie Chan is right. China is not ready for democracy yet. But I think China will eventually be a democratic country like the US. Currently, economic growth is the most important thing in China; having the communist party in control will be best for China's economic growth. When the communist party decides to build a bridge, construction starts tomorrow. But in the democratic society like the USA, they argue about the bridge for 10 years, then they pass a bond measure. The will try to build the bridge in 3 years, but delays and rising costs bring another bond measure to the ballot. A oligarchy is better for china's growth.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 22 2009 06:06 GMT
#31
jackie chan thread becomes taiwan thread

who woulda guessed

OH WAIT EVERYONE EVER
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 06:32:15
April 22 2009 06:31 GMT
#32
Yea its kinda silly for people who support freedoms to want to deny him his. I think in reality he was talking about economically, as in they need higher government control until the reach a high point. And everyone will have a diff opinion on the status of Taiwan -_- there was a HUGE thread a while back about it. US + some countries say its a country. China + some countries say its not. No one is going to convince the other side so lets skip the short snide comments "its not a country" or "it is a country" at the end of your comments about the issue that the thread is about.






oh and





Its a country XD
Never Knows Best.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 06:59:25
April 22 2009 06:58 GMT
#33
On April 22 2009 15:31 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
US + some countries say its a country.


Nope. US recognizes Chinese (PRC) authority over Taiwan and does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.

They're trying to change that, of course, but officially, no country of importance (I'm gonna get "clever" remarks about how -insertislandnationhere- is important now) recognizes Taiwan as a country.
TranslatorBaa!
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 22 2009 11:44 GMT
#34
lol. Jackie what have you done?

China is snapping his balls off for some remarks about crappy Chinese manufacturing quality and the rest of Chinese world hates him too now lol.

About Taiwan hmm... lol meh cbfed.
Rillanon.au
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
April 22 2009 12:21 GMT
#35
I love giving the Chinese team leaders and press crap every year at WCG.

"Hello, have you seen the player from Chinese Taipei?"

"oh, you mean the Taiwanese guy?"

And they glare at me. ^_^
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
April 22 2009 21:29 GMT
#36
He should just Kung Fu the people who misinterpreted him
http://www.kongregate.com/?referrer=Sagess
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 22:03:36
April 22 2009 22:02 GMT
#37
On April 22 2009 21:21 Energies wrote:
I love giving the Chinese team leaders and press crap every year at WCG.

"Hello, have you seen the player from Chinese Taipei?"

"oh, you mean the Taiwanese guy?"

And they glare at me. ^_^

lol see you in WCG2009 Chengdu
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 22 2009 22:11 GMT
#38
rofl.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 23:04:42
April 22 2009 22:15 GMT
#39
- LOL @ the 2600 = Chinese don't give a shit about Chan's comments proof: when a topic sparks Chinese interest in the internetz, then u see replies in the hundreds of thousands
- business as usual, media trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill creating easy shallow news and the classic band wagon of narrow sighted midgets who judge a man by 2 sentences and not his life long deeds
- want meaningful news about Chinese, more than just sentences?
http://www.youtube.com/user/journeymanpictures - The Last Bite - China
+ Show Spoiler +
- it sounds like a random link in view of the concerning topic, but it's not; it will address a little of Chinese mentality, u will also get a contrast to the frivolous (if not biased) shit that fills our usual media channels.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 22 2009 22:44 GMT
#40
On April 22 2009 15:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2009 15:31 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
US + some countries say its a country.


Nope. US recognizes Chinese (PRC) authority over Taiwan and does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state.

They're trying to change that, of course, but officially, no country of importance (I'm gonna get "clever" remarks about how -insertislandnationhere- is important now) recognizes Taiwan as a country.


Ya we never recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign state.
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