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(otherwise known as Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood)
So the first episode of the series reboot has just come out, and it's fansubbed already. Here's the link.
http://www.zomganime.com/fullmetal-alchemist-2-brotherhood-episode-1/
FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH CONTAINS SPOILERS ABOUT THE FIRST SERIES ANIME... (in case you havent watched it but still intend to somehow?!?!??!?!?!)
For the uninformed, a series reboot is when previous material is disregarded and the series is started over. In the case of FMA, the first series anime deviated from the manga story about halfway through because the manga wasn't developed enough yet, and made up a bunch of stuff about Dante, Hohenheim, and Envy, and switched around alot of stories about the other homunculus and such. While the end result was still an excellent anime, this was completely different from the story of the manga, which had a different antagonist, backstory of the homonculus and philosopher's stone(s), etc. Therefore, series reboot!
Personally I like it so far. The fact that the animation team is the same is interesting and most of the first series voice actors reprised their roles (a notable exception is Roy Mustang). I like the song of the new OP, the animation quality is mostly the same but with some CG 3D effects, and the quality of the dialogue and story seems up to par so far. Thoughts?
EDIT: Bonus:
+ Show Spoiler [youtube version of new OP] +
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Yes finally, i've just downloaded from torrentleech, haven't watched it yet but the op looks awesome =].
I've heard that Roy Mustang is really different (not only in his voice).
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I loved Full Metal Alchemist the first time (Like 5-6 years ago) but I'm skeptical about this remake. I mean, why change something that was great already?
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Good God O_O. Christmas sure came early this year.
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On April 06 2009 13:53 Athos wrote:
I loved Full Metal Alchemist the first time (Like 5-6 years ago) but I'm skeptical about this remake. I mean, why change something that was great already?
did you read the OP at all kid
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On April 06 2009 13:54 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 13:53 Athos wrote:
I loved Full Metal Alchemist the first time (Like 5-6 years ago) but I'm skeptical about this remake. I mean, why change something that was great already? did you read the OP at all kid
I did, Fuck the manga
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On April 06 2009 13:55 Athos wrote:
I did, Fuck the manga
Um...?
Personally, I thought the manga was WAY better. At the very least its more self-consistent than the anime, which, starting around the halfway point, starts to have more and more plot holes and inconsistencies. It was still good, just that story-wise, it definitely feels a lot more rushed than the manga.
I do think that Toru Okawa should have done Roy Mustang again. Though, I suppose that Mustang's voice in the new series fits his personality in the manga a bit better (which is more serious than in the anime).
Oh, and the movie was a complete sham. Nothing useful happened, and it added to the number of internal inconsistencies (not to mention the amount of deus ex machina).
EDIT: OP, not that it matters, but some of the description about the original series might be a tad spoiler-y.
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edited in a spoiler warning, but um... yeah i think people who havent watched the first series anime, dont know the plot, yet still want to watch all the way through are pretty rare
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On April 06 2009 14:04 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
edited in a spoiler warning, but um... yeah i think people who havent watched the first series anime, dont know the plot, yet still want to watch all the way through are pretty rare
True, though there might be people who've read the manga but haven't watched the anime because they want to wait for the manga to finish.
That actually brings me to my only major quip with this first episode, which is that it doesn't seem to present a whole lot of background to the uninitiated. You're thrown right into the midst of the characters, who don't really get proper introductions. If one hasn't seen the first anime or read the manga, it could be overwhelming. I do like the fact that they used a plot that wasn't in either the manga or the first anime for this episode. It bugs me when animes start by perfectly mirroring the mangas they're based off of.
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On April 06 2009 14:08 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 14:04 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
edited in a spoiler warning, but um... yeah i think people who havent watched the first series anime, dont know the plot, yet still want to watch all the way through are pretty rare True, though there might be people who've read the manga but haven't watched the anime because they want to wait for the manga to finish. That actually brings me to my only major quip with this first episode, which is that it doesn't seem to present a whole lot of background to the uninitiated. You're thrown right into the midst of the characters, who don't really get proper introductions. If one hasn't seen the first anime or read the manga, it could be overwhelming. I do like the fact that they used a plot that wasn't in either the manga or the first anime for this episode. It bugs me when animes start by perfectly mirroring the mangas they're based off of.
on the contrary, I thought that there were subtle introductions to each of the characters just by how they acted. + Show Spoiler +You get a sense that Kimbley is evil but with unknown intentions so far, you get a hint that Bradley is in a position of power, has strange powers, and isn't exactly perfectly good. You get Hughes' familylovingweirdness, Mustang's air of officialness, etc etc etc.
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Ok, I'll clarify... I think that when a Developer makes a movie, anime, or anything, they should be in it for the long haul. They should assume that everything they make is final, and needs to be judged without revision.
I understand that many people read the FMA manga, and that is great for them. Many however didn't (like me) and can't appreciate a revision of the anime. I can understand it's appeal to those who had issue with season 2 of the show (I'll admit, it did have some loopholes and it did get a bit confusing, Kind of like Lost right now) but the barrier for entry is now quite high for the series. What am I supposed to do with the memories of the show I've watched already? Do I just throw them away and accept this as a more perfect reality?
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On April 06 2009 14:12 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:on the contrary, I thought that there were subtle introductions to each of the characters just by how they acted. + Show Spoiler +You get a sense that Kimbley is evil but with unknown intentions so far, you get a hint that Bradley is in a position of power, has strange powers, and isn't exactly perfectly good. You get Hughes' familylovingweirdness, Mustang's air of officialness, etc etc etc.
My major concern was with the fact that you get so many of those thrown at you in the span of about 20 minutes.
+ Show Spoiler +Off the top of my head, there's the brothers, Mustang, Bradley, Kimblee, Hughes, Armstrong, Lust, Gluttony, and the new guy, Isaac, all in one episode (though there's plenty of time to expand on them).
On April 06 2009 14:20 Athos wrote:
Ok, I'll clarify... I think that when a Developer makes a movie, anime, or anything, they should be in it for the long haul. They should assume that everything they make is final, and needs to be judged without revision.
I understand that many people read the FMA manga, and that is great for them. Many however didn't (like me) and can't appreciate a revision of the anime. I can understand it's appeal to those who had issue with season 2 of the show (I'll admit, it did have some loopholes and it did get a bit confusing, Kind of like Lost right now) but the barrier for entry is now quite high for the series. What am I supposed to do with the memories of the show I've watched already? Do I just through them away and accept this as a more perfect reality?
Except the series isn't meant to "replace" the old one. Reboots never are. Does the fact that the new Battlestar Galactica is different detract from the experience of the old one? Not at all. Its a fresh story, but with characters that you're already familiar with and the occasional hat-off to the old plotline.
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On April 06 2009 14:20 Athos wrote:
Ok, I'll clarify... I think that when a Developer makes a movie, anime, or anything, they should be in it for the long haul. They should assume that everything they make is final, and needs to be judged without revision.
I understand that many people read the FMA manga, and that is great for them. Many however didn't (like me) and can't appreciate a revision of the anime. I can understand it's appeal to those who had issue with season 2 of the show (I'll admit, it did have some loopholes and it did get a bit confusing, Kind of like Lost right now) but the barrier for entry is now quite high for the series. What am I supposed to do with the memories of the show I've watched already? Do I just through them away and accept this as a more perfect reality?
yeah pretty much; i didn't watch the manga either but i can take a reboot EDIT: and yeah it's as theyango said, the character personalities are really similar, its just plot elements that are different
hell, casino royale was a reboot, was it that hard to watch? =.=;
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On April 06 2009 13:55 Athos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 13:54 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On April 06 2009 13:53 Athos wrote:
I loved Full Metal Alchemist the first time (Like 5-6 years ago) but I'm skeptical about this remake. I mean, why change something that was great already? did you read the OP at all kid I did, Fuck the manga
the manga's amazing. what are you talking about? o.o
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great anime, but for me the ending didn't meet the expectations. The ending value is much lower than the overall quality, just like they didn't have the time to think about.
+ Show Spoiler + a better ending would have been if alphonse got his body back, but edward remained the same.
It would have been a good compromise between the brothers struggle&hopes, but at the same time keeping a greater justice sense; a half way between geting nothing or geting all back.
let's see how it develops. gonna watch it anyway
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O no I loved the original Roy Mustang!
Still, this looks pretty awesome.
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On April 06 2009 14:39 blue_ling wrote:great anime, but for me the ending didn't meet the expectations. The ending value is much lower than the overall quality, just like they didn't have the time to think about. + Show Spoiler + a better ending would have been if alphonse got his body back, but edward remained the same.
It would have been a good compromise between the brothers struggle&hopes, but at the same time keeping a greater justice sense; a half way between geting nothing or geting all back.
let's see how it develops. gonna watch it anyway
isn't the actual ending the same as you describe???
i hate the opening of this fma. maybe it's because i generally dislike those type of songs.
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I hated the original anime.
This seems promising at least so far~
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Hrm, Edward sounds just like Ueki from Law of Ueki.
I need to confirm this.
Edit------
Damn i'm good. It is
Romi Paku as Edward Elric
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On April 06 2009 15:02 artofmagic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 14:39 blue_ling wrote:great anime, but for me the ending didn't meet the expectations. The ending value is much lower than the overall quality, just like they didn't have the time to think about. + Show Spoiler + a better ending would have been if alphonse got his body back, but edward remained the same.
It would have been a good compromise between the brothers struggle&hopes, but at the same time keeping a greater justice sense; a half way between geting nothing or geting all back.
let's see how it develops. gonna watch it anyway isn't the actual ending the same as you describe??? i hate the opening of this fma. maybe it's because i generally dislike those type of songs.
you're right, but i forgot to add
+ Show Spoiler + they should remain in the same world, that story with the parallel world was so dumb
You get your body back, but you get separated from your brother; very frustrating and doesn't fit the rest of the story
thanks for pointing that out, I remembered there was something I didn't like and now I remembered exactly
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I saw the first episode just now. I thought it was great. For old enthusiasts, it reintroduced a lot of familiar faces and yet it was fresh because it wasn't a complete repeat starting with the Lior events. The preview makes it seem like the pace will slow down and more background will be laid out for new viewers.
On April 06 2009 14:20 Athos wrote:
What am I supposed to do with the memories of the show I've watched already? Do I just throw them away and accept this as a more perfect reality?
That's just so silly. BONES may be the authors of this reboot, but you're the author of your reality.
I'm going to watch this for sure. I know I'll be comparing it to the original run. I didn't read the manga either, so I'm pretty intrigued about what alternate explanations/plots happen. If I find that I don't like it (which I doubt will happen), I can stop watching it. Either way, it's not going to corrupt my memories.
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The eric small kid complex and hughes with his awesome doughter are really getting really old.
Roy Mustang feels a bit lacking, but I'm not sure why. (If it is the voice change somebody mentioned or something else)
I'm hoping that the overlap between the original and remake stays low. At least that much is true in the first episode.
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I am definitely going to watch this. The original FMA might not have been perfect, but it still easily qualified as one of the best animes of all time. Not to mention it actually had a quality english dub. But I am somewhat suprised, since this is the first time I have experienced a complete reboot of a series. Was there any problem with the anime having a different story (although I am all for being faithful to the original)? Also, did the manga actually finish for a reboot to be possible (I read a large part of it, but I stopped at some point)?
Anyway, one thing is certain (do not look if you did not watch the original/read the manga):
+ Show Spoiler +It will be sad to see Hughes die all over again.
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On April 07 2009 01:08 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Also, did the manga actually finish for a reboot to be possible (I read a large part of it, but I stopped at some point)?
The manga is supposed to finish this year. It will definitely finish before the reboot gets to where it is now.
On April 07 2009 01:12 dronebabo wrote:
as for the lack of character 'introductions,' well that was the same for the first season when you were thrown into lior with ed and al and then they transitioned into explaining how they tried to perform taboo etc so it's nothing out of the ordinary here
Except the number of important characters introduced in the first episode of the original series was about 5, whereas the number in this first episode easily doubles that.
I've actually had some issues with the Shinsen-Subs version of the video. It seems to get choppy and the video screws up in the middle a couple times.
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I did not notice any problems with the shinsen video. But I think eclipse has a better reputation, so I'll try their version for ep2. Chose shinsen because they were the only ones listed when I downloaded 
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Haven't got to compare the subs yet, but Shinsen tends to have more literal translations and Eclipse changing things into a language more normal for everyday English. Just waiting around to see what other groups will be subbing, until then raw is just fine...and way faster :p
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On April 06 2009 16:39 RoieTRS wrote:
Hrm, Edward sounds just like Ueki from Law of Ueki.
I need to confirm this.
Edit------
Damn i'm good. It is
Romi Paku as Edward Elric
Romi Paku also voices Toshirou in bleach. [:
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On April 07 2009 05:45 MasterOfChaos wrote:I did not notice any problems with the shinsen video. But I think eclipse has a better reputation, so I'll try their version for ep2. Chose shinsen because they were the only ones listed when I downloaded
Just downloaded the Eclipse version, and it seems to work better for me. Odd...
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Just watched the first episode. Looks good ^^
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Is it necessary to watch season 1 to understand season 2 or can it stand by itself?
I read your description of a reboot but for example, do you need to be familiar with the characters or anything else that is crucial to understanding the storyline?
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I liked the FMA anime (the first one), but Anime's ending has to be one of the worst endings of an anime I've ever seen. So I'm looking forward to the reboot.
Just to be sure, the reboot is starting over from the very beginning, rather than picking up the anime at the part where it started to deviate from the manga?
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On April 07 2009 11:06 ghostWriter wrote:
Is it necessary to watch season 1 to understand season 2 or can it stand by itself?
I read your description of a reboot but for example, do you need to be familiar with the characters or anything else that is crucial to understanding the storyline?
don't think so
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On April 07 2009 11:06 ghostWriter wrote:
Is it necessary to watch season 1 to understand season 2 or can it stand by itself?
I read your description of a reboot but for example, do you need to be familiar with the characters or anything else that is crucial to understanding the storyline?
Nope, not necessary. I've been complaining about how it throws a bunch of characters very quickly at you, but in the long run, that shouldn't be an issue.
On April 07 2009 11:12 Sentenal wrote:
I liked the FMA anime (the first one), but Anime's ending has to be one of the worst endings of an anime I've ever seen. So I'm looking forward to the reboot.
Just to be sure, the reboot is starting over from the very beginning, rather than picking up the anime at the part where it started to deviate from the manga?
It starts from the beginning.
It'd be hard to start from just the fork, because while the same events happen before then, the order is somewhat different in the manga and anime.
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the shinsen version works fine in some players for me, but not so well in others
probably something with how the mkv is containing the shit
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fuck i swear i do this every other post (hit quote instead of edit)
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On April 06 2009 21:19 MasterOfChaos wrote:
The eric small kid complex and hughes with his awesome doughter are really getting really old.
Definitely agree with you there. I totally get this "here it comes again" feeling every single time. It's a bit nerve-racking.
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On April 07 2009 19:17 stanley_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 21:19 MasterOfChaos wrote:
The eric small kid complex and hughes with his awesome doughter are really getting really old.
Definitely agree with you there. I totally get this "here it comes again" feeling every single time. It's a bit nerve-racking.
Well, thats partially a problem of it being overdone in the old series, and not necessarily the fault of this series. They ought to at least present the joke a couple times, so that new viewers know that they're running jokes.
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I know it is the first episode, but I don't like the way they put repetitive humor before the excitement or plot. I've heard that this remake is going to continue to be like this in comparison with the more serious original anime and I don't like it at all.
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[B]On April 08 2009 03:22 Shauni wrote:[/B
]I've heard that this remake is going to continue to be like this in comparison with the more serious original anime and I don't like it at all.
Source?
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Holy fuck Dont mean to be bumping old thread but i had to blow my load about this show.
I watched this entire series over the last week. Definitely one of the best I've ever watched I recommend this to absolutely everyone. It actually breaks my heart that I have to part with the characters and have their story end where it does DX
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