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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 03:01:21
March 25 2009 02:59 GMT
#1
So I used to play around with my Wacom drawing tablet from time to time to do some drawing in Photoshop. Was meaning to try my hand at it again for fun and seeing as how a friend of mine happened to have her birthday recently I decided to do a portrait for her.

3 hours on and off then got too lazy to finish from the neck down hence the white gradient.

[image loading]


The picture doesn't really do her justice, she's a lot better looking. XD All feedback welcome, I know I'm nooby at this art stuff.

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"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
March 25 2009 03:10 GMT
#2
where's the original picture so we can compare?
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
March 25 2009 03:11 GMT
#3
agreed need the original!

however it does look good. Photoshop? or is that freehand?
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 25 2009 03:13 GMT
#4
very blocky but much, much better than i can do for sure. with some work it could be very good.
:O
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 25 2009 03:20 GMT
#5
Not sure she'd appreciate me posting her pic here, sorry.

Like I said I'm pretty noob at this digital art stuff so this was done entirely with the Photoshop's brush tool, round brush with sharp edges. It's not an edit if that's what you're asking, this was done from scratch with a picture for reference.

As for it being blocky, I can see that. Probably should have gone over it with a brush with feathered edges.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 25 2009 03:21 GMT
#6
need noodz
bisu fanboy
Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
March 25 2009 03:30 GMT
#7
it looks pretty nice!
Firebathero is still the best!
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
March 25 2009 03:47 GMT
#8
I like the hair - nice details
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 25 2009 03:57 GMT
#9
On March 25 2009 12:20 Phyre wrote:
Not sure she'd appreciate me posting her pic here, sorry.

Like I said I'm pretty noob at this digital art stuff so this was done entirely with the Photoshop's brush tool, round brush with sharp edges. It's not an edit if that's what you're asking, this was done from scratch with a picture for reference.

As for it being blocky, I can see that. Probably should have gone over it with a brush with feathered edges.


it is actually pretty good though. just wanted to say that because my initial post didnt exactly put that across.
:O
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 25 2009 04:18 GMT
#10
On March 25 2009 12:57 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 12:20 Phyre wrote:
Not sure she'd appreciate me posting her pic here, sorry.

Like I said I'm pretty noob at this digital art stuff so this was done entirely with the Photoshop's brush tool, round brush with sharp edges. It's not an edit if that's what you're asking, this was done from scratch with a picture for reference.

As for it being blocky, I can see that. Probably should have gone over it with a brush with feathered edges.


it is actually pretty good though. just wanted to say that because my initial post didnt exactly put that across.

Thanks. The more I thought about your crit the more I saw the blockiness lol. Figured it would only take 5 minutes or so to smooth out the sharp edges so here's the updated version, I think it does look quite a bit better.

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The blockiness probably didn't bother me initially since I normally like looking at art where you can see the brushstrokes, I find it interesting to look at.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 25 2009 04:21 GMT
#11
much better! good stuff. i like it.
:O
khy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States475 Posts
March 25 2009 04:53 GMT
#12
The gradient overlaps on her chin, which is really distracting.

Your canvas size is really, really, really big for the composition. You can cut down on it considerably, all that white in the back is also really distracting.

Her nose...

Color choice...her skin is a bit red. I'm not really sure how you can do it in Photoshop, but (bit late now) using a cooler color (blue, maybe even a dark green) would've been really beneficial.

The shading on her forehead is a bit underdeveloped, I think.

That being said, I don't know what she actually looks like and what you were working with.

With that that being said, nice work. I could never get the hang of the whole digital thing...I much prefer physical media. This is really good.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 25 2009 04:56 GMT
#13
i have to agree with darrun on the nose. if you are going to work on this further, that should be your top priority: from top to bottom it is weirdly sized/shaped and the coloring could probably stand for some improvement but that may go away with a fix of size and shape
:O
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 05:49:34
March 25 2009 05:46 GMT
#14
Just my opinion, but I think if you want to make this look more realistic or lifelike, a gradient map and a photo filter can do wonders. I took all of one minute putting these two on and look at the difference:


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Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 06:37:25
March 25 2009 06:29 GMT
#15
On March 25 2009 14:46 Salv wrote:
Just my opinion, but I think if you want to make this look more realistic or lifelike, a gradient map and a photo filter can do wonders. I took all of one minute putting these two on and look at the difference:


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Jesus no.

To the OP:
I have very little experience painting in photoshop, but I do know that you have some anatomy problems going on. The most prominent thing is her left cheek is much too large. From the way her head is turned you should be seeing much less of the left cheek. I also doubt her face is so round unless she's a chubby.

In all seriousness though try holding up your hand and covering a bit of her left cheek up. I think you got caught in the problem of drawing not what you see but what you think you see. Many people think of the head simply as an oval shape but it is not, especially at the angle her head is turned. Look again! Specifically - look at the contour of her face, it is not round.

Overall, nice work and keep it up!
It felt like gravity.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 06:54:28
March 25 2009 06:52 GMT
#16
Nose gets wider at the top too soon, and also need to make clear that its going (o< looking at it side on and from the front V right now you have the V from the front but its too wide too early and looking side on (o< the curve being the back of her head the o being here eye and the < being an exaggeration of the way the nose comes inwards before the eyebrow ridge protrudes above it, this part is not shown enough aka it looks like her forehead comes down to meet her nose evenly. Which it shouldn't but then again I'm just looking at myself in the mirror maybe im a freak or she has a fat face.
Nice work though !! 100x better than what I could do.

Edit: "Would I could do" lol.... well its 6:53 am here and I've been up all night, gimme a break!
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
March 25 2009 07:08 GMT
#17
Not bad
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feathers
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States236 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 07:35:31
March 25 2009 07:29 GMT
#18
tits or gtfo

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seriously though every one that's saying its not anatomically correct is dumb. her nose is fine you morons people have noses that are shaped like that
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
March 25 2009 07:57 GMT
#19
feathers wtf lol ? fucking LOOK at it !

Seriously feathers just pinch the bridge of your nose for me... is it....

A - slightly narrower than the rest of your nose?
or
B - three times as wide? (LOL)
....well ?
Straylight is bang on about her left cheek as well. It's actually larger than the right side and she is clearly facing slightly to her right, which would reveal more of her right side and less of her left side, which is the OPPOSITE OF THE PICTURE.
So YOU are "dumb" and a "moron" and a hypocrite in the process, to say the LEAST.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 25 2009 14:53 GMT
#20
On March 25 2009 13:53 Darrun wrote:
The gradient overlaps on her chin, which is really distracting.

Your canvas size is really, really, really big for the composition. You can cut down on it considerably, all that white in the back is also really distracting.

Her nose...

Color choice...her skin is a bit red. I'm not really sure how you can do it in Photoshop, but (bit late now) using a cooler color (blue, maybe even a dark green) would've been really beneficial.

The shading on her forehead is a bit underdeveloped, I think.

That being said, I don't know what she actually looks like and what you were working with.

With that that being said, nice work. I could never get the hang of the whole digital thing...I much prefer physical media. This is really good.

Not sure what you mean about the chin. I agree it doesn't look quite right, but I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

I have no idea what composition is. XD I've heard the term mentioned a few times, I should probably look it up.

I'll take a closer look at the nose, I honestly didn't spend much time on it.

What do you mean when you say the "shading is underdeveloped" on the forehead? I'm not sure what you mean by underdeveloped.

I'm guessing you have some traditional art experience? I always wanted to try my hand at real painting but digital has the advantage of being cheaper, cleaner/takes up less space, and more forgiving with regards to mistakes. Which I make a lot of.

On March 25 2009 15:29 Straylight wrote:
To the OP:
I have very little experience painting in photoshop, but I do know that you have some anatomy problems going on. The most prominent thing is her left cheek is much too large. From the way her head is turned you should be seeing much less of the left cheek. I also doubt her face is so round unless she's a chubby.

In all seriousness though try holding up your hand and covering a bit of her left cheek up. I think you got caught in the problem of drawing not what you see but what you think you see. Many people think of the head simply as an oval shape but it is not, especially at the angle her head is turned. Look again! Specifically - look at the contour of her face, it is not round.

Overall, nice work and keep it up!

I'd agree with that. I checked the proportions/distances on the reference photo against my picture and they seem right but I'm guessing the shading and shape of certain elements is resulting in that cheek looking a lot larger than it should. So while the silhouette is correct I've done some miss arranging.

Funny you should mention "Drawing what you think you see instead of what you see", I heard that a lot the first time I got into this stuff but mainly applied to color. I should keep this in mind more often.

On March 25 2009 15:52 Reason wrote:
Nose gets wider at the top too soon, and also need to make clear that its going (o< looking at it side on and from the front V right now you have the V from the front but its too wide too early and looking side on (o< the curve being the back of her head the o being here eye and the < being an exaggeration of the way the nose comes inwards before the eyebrow ridge protrudes above it, this part is not shown enough aka it looks like her forehead comes down to meet her nose evenly. Which it shouldn't but then again I'm just looking at myself in the mirror maybe im a freak or she has a fat face.
Nice work though !! 100x better than what I could do.

Edit: "Would I could do" lol.... well its 6:53 am here and I've been up all night, gimme a break!

Argh, I didn't think it looked that bad but after reading that I definitely see what you are talking about. I'll give it a shot when I get home.

Thanks for the crits everyone! You'll have to forgive me if I don't understand some of the jargon you guys are using though, I'm just a programmer that likes to scribble so some of these art terms are foreign to me. Really appreciate the feedback though, can't wait to get home and try to apply some of this!
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 26 2009 03:48 GMT
#21
So I finally got to tweak the picture some more and here is the result:
[image loading]


While I was looking over it I remember Darrun mentioning that perhaps I should try adding some green so I did, came out kinda interesting too.

[image loading]


Thanks again for all your feedback guys! I think it really helps.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 27 2009 02:29 GMT
#22
Thanks again guys, I think she really liked it.

Any further criticism on my revisions and stuff is still welcome, I'd like to get it as good as I can.
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 27 2009 22:11 GMT
#23
wow the second time around is much better, good job phyre!
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
March 29 2009 04:19 GMT
#24
On March 28 2009 07:11 minus_human wrote:
wow the second time around is much better, good job phyre!

Thanks! Do you think the green works though? Nobody has been giving me feedback on whether it's better or worse. T_T
"Oh no, I got you with your pants... on your face... That's not how you wear pants." - Nintu, catching 1 hatch lurks.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 29 2009 06:34 GMT
#25
damn i am jealous you got a wacom.
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