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ZvT is... harder than it should be

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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-16 03:12:09
March 16 2009 03:11 GMT
#1
I played what I thought was one of the hardest ZvTs I've ever played. Satisfied in winning the game, I checked back to see the replay. To further my satisfaction, I saw that the Terran had >300 apm, so I thought to myself, 'a legit win, nice'.

But then I saw the replay. The Terran forgot to get second gas, had zero multitasking skills (he forgot to upgrade his marines till I had 0/2), and basically really sucked hard after midgame.

How did I have such a hard time?

I realized two possibilities:
1) I didn't make that many drones at midgame. But I had too few lurkers as it was. What was the problem? I want to have good drone count + many lurkers.
2) I morphed 3 pairs of scourge out of a hatchery instead of 3 mutas. Yes, big fail right there.
3) I should have defended my base with mutas instead of harassing? I don't think this is right, because if I didn't attack with mutas and used them as defense, they would have been a collossal waste.
4) I built too many sunks midgame (5). But this was necessary because he had 4 groups of mnm.

Arg... why was it so hard to win :|

Please refer to replay.

Link: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=8953

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Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
March 16 2009 03:20 GMT
#2
You should check his EAPM to classify it as a "legit win". Everyone can just 1313131313 to get 300+
Never give cheese to the Gorilla ^^
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
March 16 2009 04:05 GMT
#3
silly zergs complainging when you got imbalisks.......Even tho u silly zerg messed up a lot, terran still needed over 300apm, and STILL ended up losing.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 16 2009 04:39 GMT
#4
Defending with your mutas is better than losing drones/hatcheries. As long as you can deflect his attack, you can still send the mutas to his base forcing him to defend.
Hello
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
March 16 2009 04:48 GMT
#5
haha i love these

wow this guy sucks and i barely beat him blogs.

they are rare.. but yummy
feathers
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States236 Posts
March 16 2009 06:23 GMT
#6
you raped the shit out of him, why are you complaining.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
March 16 2009 07:49 GMT
#7
On March 16 2009 12:20 eX-Corgh wrote:
You should check his EAPM to classify it as a "legit win". Everyone can just 1313131313 to get 300+

the terran had 212eapm o_o!
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
March 16 2009 07:58 GMT
#8
How do you check EAPM?????

Isn't it awkward having defiler on 0 with units going 1-4?
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
March 16 2009 08:30 GMT
#9
you can check it with bwrepinfo
http://bwrepinfo.narod.ru/
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-16 08:47:14
March 16 2009 08:45 GMT
#10
212 eapm. sounds like pro. or noob. or stork.
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
March 16 2009 09:19 GMT
#11
stryker.. aren't u in CSL.. i forgot wut team ur in though... MIT?
HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
March 16 2009 10:23 GMT
#12
On March 16 2009 15:23 feathers wrote:
you raped the shit out of him, why are you complaining.

Officially the founder of Team Property (:
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-16 10:33:37
March 16 2009 10:31 GMT
#13
On March 16 2009 17:45 Kentor wrote:
212 eapm. sounds like pro. or noob. or stork.


Or just any korean terran ^^ some of them still suck with their high EAPM, ive faced korean zergs with 200+ eapm and they did not play that good
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17741 Posts
March 16 2009 13:30 GMT
#14
oh plz stop with the eapm
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
March 16 2009 14:26 GMT
#15
Things T missed:

- Upgrades: IIRC, he was at +0 +0 until like 13 minutes into the game and stayed on +1 +1 the entire game

- Completely forgot to build a Science Vessel asap, thus loosing his timing

- Not rebuilding enough SCVs

When I watched the replay, I often thought that you could have finished him a lot earlier (especially with that Dark Swarm Push to his natural). However, you played it well by not being over aggressive, since I don't think you knew how poor his Upgrades and overall economy were. Because if he had his Upgrades and a strong economy ready, you'd be punished for overly aggressive play. Oh and nice APM/EAPM, you seem to be very quick.
Adams Æbler
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
March 16 2009 17:23 GMT
#16
so it's not a legit win? what's a legit win anyways?
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2009 17:46 GMT
#17
brag post imo
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
March 16 2009 19:21 GMT
#18
are you flamers even reading what he wrote?
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
March 17 2009 00:19 GMT
#19
On March 17 2009 04:21 Daveed wrote:
are you flamers even reading what he wrote?


THANK YOU. I overestimated the quality of posters at TL, though a blog is probably not the best place to ask for advice.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
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