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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 05:11:26
February 12 2009 04:55 GMT
#81
Objects of nature aside, I don't think it's possible to put into words a description of our a priori knowledge since they rely on the allusion to a fundamentally implicit background humans share. But in the case of grass and any other objects within the field of empirical science, the "objective" descriptions and terminology used to describe them are entirely discursive and founded within our own knowledge, a biologists description of grass in the 16th century would hold no meaning and be thoroughly unintelligible today.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 12 2009 05:04 GMT
#82
like in philosophical investigations wittgensteins argued pretty convincingly how we can't even describe they way a child learns the meaning of the word "there."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 12 2009 05:10 GMT
#83
well, unintelligible could imply a number of things. in this case, you seem to want to attack the objective nature of sciences, not merely their terminology. for this result you'll have to show that the 16th century explanation of grass is working on an entirely different logical structure, to the extent of not being able to have a truth value in today's science, that is, our science cannot even say whether the description of grass is talking about something that exists in the realm of nature at all.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 12 2009 05:28 GMT
#84
will answer tommorow
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 12 2009 15:36 GMT
#85
On February 12 2009 10:46 fanatacist wrote:
Religion has been the source of many of the essential, fundamental, and developmental evolutions of humanity. However it has now become more of a burden in its quintessential form (God created the world in 6 days, garden of Eden, Jesus being the son of God, etc.). Provide a counter-argument for this statement.

Peace~
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 12 2009 17:56 GMT
#86
you never argued anything you just stated two things
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 12 2009 18:21 GMT
#87
the only thing there i want to argue about is your "developmental evolution." i dont know why you would use a phrase like that
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 12 2009 18:47 GMT
#88
your family's a whore
posting on liquid sites in current year
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
February 12 2009 18:49 GMT
#89
failed thread!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 12 2009 19:43 GMT
#90
On February 12 2009 14:10 oneofthem wrote:
well, unintelligible could imply a number of things. in this case, you seem to want to attack the objective nature of sciences, not merely their terminology. for this result you'll have to show that the 16th century explanation of grass is working on an entirely different logical structure, to the extent of not being able to have a truth value in today's science, that is, our science cannot even say whether the description of grass is talking about something that exists in the realm of nature at all.


I think the unintelligibility of scientific terminology from outdated discourses is connected directly with the problem of scientific objectivity. If I understand what you mean by logical structure correctly, then I would say that the logical structure of most human sciences have not changed drastically since the invention of the scientific method. The Foucaltian hypothesis for this unintellibility lies in the function of scientific discourses, though his theory is complex and incomplete, when oversimplified, he states that from the Renaissance to the Age of Reason to the Enlightenment, the general forms of the human sciences all contain central organizing concepts he terms "episteme" which are responsible for the order and structure of those sciences. For example one of the "epistemes" of 16th century biology was resemblance, plants and animals were organized by the qualities in which they resemble each other, and so on. Over the course of those sciences, the primary objects of investigation, animals, plants, man, have not changed, however the forms which we use to classify them have, and quite drastically. These apparent transformations underlie the basic problem of the notion of objectivity within science.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 12 2009 21:42 GMT
#91
that sounds like kuhnian paradigms, but even the most drastic incommensurability between scientific theories cannot make them aesthetical theories, or ethical theories. say philogiston and energy are two scientific paradigms, but we can still say that they are contradictory theories, aiming to explain the same situation, in the same world etc. the subject of scientific investigation stays the same across paradigms, and it is this subject, the world, that defines our relation to scientific knowledge. i am not convinced that scientific knowledge can come from sources external to science.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 13 2009 05:49 GMT
#92
On February 13 2009 02:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
you never argued anything you just stated two things

"However it has now become more of a burden in its quintessential form (God created the world in 6 days, garden of Eden, Jesus being the son of God, etc.). Provide a counter-argument for this statement."
Peace~
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 13 2009 06:44 GMT
#93
YES FINALLY A THREAD WHERE FLAMING IS TOLERABLE AND SARCASM IS DETECTED

Fuck all of you, i hope you all get mauled by a bus
what have you lads got to say to that.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 13 2009 06:47 GMT
#94
On February 12 2009 06:59 minus_human wrote:
Xeris: I believe you are not actually bored, since you didn't really post in this thread.

Hear that? YOURE NOT BORED. YOU WERE LYING IN THE OP.

WELL HA , HAVE A GANDER AT THIS
On February 12 2009 06:14 Xeris wrote:
I'm bored for the next 30 minutes or so, someone argue with me!


CLEARLY HE WAS HERE 30 MINUTES AND DISEMBARKED AFTER RELINQUISHING SAID BOREDOM,
therefore i shine a light on your incompetence ! *ohh burn*
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 13 2009 06:49 GMT
#95
On February 12 2009 06:47 liger13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 06:26 Chef wrote:


Monty Python > Xeris

lol... thats exactly what i thought off when i saw the thread

no it wasn't.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 13 2009 06:54 GMT
#96
On February 12 2009 06:17 Boblion wrote:
Why Kawaï is allowed to be in [light] but not to post on TL ?

:>

cause he let lastshadLoL win 2 games in TSL (abusing) and then when someone askes for rep pack he just said, "o i let lastshadL0L win those 2 games" and promptly was banned.

[B]Valhalla. On February 07 2009 16:31. FakeSteve[TPR] wrote
kawaiirice is annoying but overall he's a nice kid and seems to have
distanced himself from all the bullshit

i'm never gonna unban him because he helped LS abuse in TSL
but you guys shouldn't just shit on him
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
February 13 2009 06:55 GMT
#97
On February 12 2009 08:14 minus_human wrote:
lol maybe some mod will drop by and ban us for this without reading the thread

this, anyways this wuz awesome +1 fun. bai
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 13 2009 14:24 GMT
#98
On February 13 2009 15:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:
YES FINALLY A THREAD WHERE FLAMING IS TOLERABLE AND SARCASM IS DETECTED

Fuck all of you, i hope you all get mauled by a bus
what have you lads got to say to that.

If you knew one of us in person, said that, and it happened immediately after you said it, you'd be traumatized for life.
Peace~
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 13 2009 17:40 GMT
#99
On February 13 2009 14:49 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 02:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
you never argued anything you just stated two things

"However it has now become more of a burden in its quintessential form (God created the world in 6 days, garden of Eden, Jesus being the son of God, etc.). Provide a counter-argument for this statement."


again this is not an argument, this is a statement
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 13 2009 17:42 GMT
#100
also feel free to define what the quintessential form of religion is lol
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