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Placebo Effect of Optical Mini and DT35?

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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 26 2009 22:02 GMT
#1
Why is everybody going crazy about the logitech optical mini and the samsung DT35? After reading emucxg's thread about his buddy opening an electronics store and wondering whether or not he should sell the samsung dt35, I was really surprised to see how many people would buy this old keyboard.

I really don't believe that these two are the best mouse and keyboard available. Yes, most of the pro-gamers use them, but I believe the reason isn't b/c the keyboard and mouse themselves are the best designed, but probably b/c they are simply what most of pro-gamers are accustomed to using. I bet these these two are used the most @ PC bangs, so the pro-gamers just have stuck w/them.

I find it kind of funny that so many foreigner players want this keyboard + mouse b/c it is claimed to be "THE BEST", however I haven't read what exactly makes it superior over other products.


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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-26 22:05:46
January 26 2009 22:05 GMT
#2
They're cheap, reliable, and does what you need them to do.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
January 26 2009 22:07 GMT
#3
I wouldn't say placebo effect, its just bandwagon
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
January 26 2009 22:08 GMT
#4
agree with op
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 26 2009 22:15 GMT
#5
On January 27 2009 07:07 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I wouldn't say placebo effect, its just bandwagon

Agreed, this doesn't quite fit the bill for a placebo effect, more like we are just copying what we see progamers use as we automatically assume them to have more knowledge in regards to equipment to use.
Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
January 26 2009 22:19 GMT
#6
On January 27 2009 07:07 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I wouldn't say placebo effect, its just bandwagon


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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
January 26 2009 22:30 GMT
#7
there must be nice pricetags on both of them... who wouldn't rather have a $100 razer mouse and keyboard? they're so nice
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
January 26 2009 22:30 GMT
#8
I mean it could be placebo in the way that when you use it you think you are more gosu there fore winning more games. But I doubt that would happen
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
January 26 2009 22:37 GMT
#9
i had one back when i played cs. the dt 35 is actually a really good keyboard. dosnt have any fancy features but its good quality and the keys have a nice touch to them.
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 26 2009 22:40 GMT
#10
But if I use a dt35, I'll instantly have 300+ APM
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
January 26 2009 22:53 GMT
#11
Keep in mind that poll you put up on the other thread is going to be extremely biased towards people who are more prone to buying DT-35's because people who follow progaming know that's the kind of keyboards the progamers use.

I doubt people who don't follow progaming would be as willing to buy one of those.
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 26 2009 23:12 GMT
#12
I don't think there's really that many. It's just when a thread like that appears they all post in it and anyone who's not interested just ignores it.
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
January 26 2009 23:19 GMT
#13
On January 27 2009 07:05 koreasilver wrote:
They're cheap, reliable, and does what you need them to do.

$30 for a basic keyword is not cheap, just search keyboard on amazon, you'll find dozens of keyboards just look the same for half the price
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 26 2009 23:23 GMT
#14
In Korea.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 26 2009 23:46 GMT
#15
If the progamers use them, then they must work alright. However, i'm pretty sure that most pro gamers would also agree that they arn't good because of the keyboard- they're good because they practice and play and think.

Bisu could probably beat me mouse only, and nal_ra (I think) loved playing with a ball mouse. Whatever they want, and you can pick whatever keyboard/mouse you want.
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hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
January 26 2009 23:52 GMT
#16
I got the logitech optical mini because its about £5 and I needed a new mouse, so I thought why not? If it sucks its only £5

anyway I stopped using it after about an hour, it was pretty shit, hard to hold and poor tracking on my mouse pad (IMO) (qck mini) so I've went back to my microsoft optical mouse (using this more because I'm so used to it than it being a good mouse)

tl;dr optical mini isn't all its cracked up to be
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
January 26 2009 23:58 GMT
#17
and they're approved by the pro leagues.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-27 00:54:54
January 27 2009 00:52 GMT
#18
Duh, us sc players like simplicity. and if it's cheap, durable, and easy to get that makes it all the easier.

The Dt35 has very responsive, easy to press, quiet keys. This is also a big plus.
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Mannequin
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada131 Posts
January 27 2009 01:41 GMT
#19
I must be a noob cause i just use a basic big mouse and i dont even use a mouse pad, i dont need one.
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Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
January 27 2009 01:54 GMT
#20
On January 27 2009 10:41 Mannequin wrote:
I must be a noob cause i just use a basic big mouse and i dont even use a mouse pad, i dont need one.


i saw yosh play at a lan once, he didn't use a mousepad and just had a microsoft optical mouse.
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