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Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it.
Blizzard used to mean something for me. They represented quality. They represented late releases. They represented innovation. They represented long term support. But today, I only feel pessimism. Blizzard has not that many years ago released World of Warcraft. The MMO genre introduced subscription fees. WoW has and will still be a huge moneymaker for Blizzard. If Blizzard truely loved its community, it would ease up on the fees. Or it would at the very least make the expansions regular patches. I am not a WoW user. And I don't really care how much money it costs for people to play WoW. I just see it as a symptom that Blizzard continues to make big money off a game that was released long ago. Releasing SC2 as a trilogy is another symptom. Maybe competition in the market is behind this, but these days all I see when I think about Blizzard is a man in a business suit. We might also see BNet becoming a class divided society - Those who pay for it and those who don't.
Also, Starcraft 2 is being developed, not by people who created the original, but by people who designed C&C3. I find this especially hard to take in. I own C&C3. It's a technically good game. It has lots of nice features and it runs smoothly. But as a Starcraft player, I find that it is very strategically shallow. How can people who created C&C3 know anything about RTS strategy, I wonder. I get the feeling that they are also making a lot of effort into designing the metagame into the game itself. If they do that too much, the game ends up looking much the same everytime you play it, because your options are limited to strategies that are designed to be used.
Thirdly, what happens to Broodwar? The community will no doubt go to stores and buy SC2 the day it comes out. So there will be a drastic decline in users on BNet and ICCUP. Non-SC2 buyers may decide that this is the time to quit because of less available gamers to play with. And if SC2 fails to impress, we'll see SC2ers coming back to an empty community and they might quit by then too. The Broodwar community is already an aging bunch, caring more about careers, wives, children and pets as time passes. Blizzard may eventually decide to kill Broodwar on BNet too if they can sell more SC2 because of it.
So what was the point of this? I want to spread my pessimism. I want other people to be worried too. Just because it's SC2 doesn't mean it will be any better than other RTSes.
 
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oh man i didnt know sc2 was being developed by the makers of c&c3
you win, im worried too
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On October 19 2008 09:53 tube wrote:
oh man i didnt know sc2 was being developed by the makers of c&c3
you win, im worried too
whoa wut O.O
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On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it.
You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p
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Oh sorry...
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 and Command & Conquer: Generals, not C&C3... but still... I think my point is not completely invalid.
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yeah I remember reading that they brought game devs from the C&C3 team to SC2. Their influence was noticeable early on with being only able to make one mothership, and colossus pew pew.
But I've actually played SC2 and it's pretty fun.
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Have you played sc2? Also Dustin Bowder is an excellent game designer, on top of that there are alot of people on the sc2 team who made the original SC. The ones that are not on the team quit blizzard a long time ago.
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On October 19 2008 09:59 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it. You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p
Teamliquid.net did create an SC2 forum. Most of the coverage from Blizzcon has been about SC2. Also previous news postings about SC2 have given the impression of some sort of arrangement between Blizzard and Teamliquid. So it feels like an endorsement to me.
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I think you guys need to check your sources on the C&C3 stuff.....from what I understand dustin browder worked on the battle for middle earth games and that's about it from EA RTS developers. The majority of the team I believe is the same team who worked on Warcraft 3.
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On October 19 2008 10:01 blabber wrote:
But I've actually played SC2 and it's pretty fun.
Don't bleed the pessimism from my blog! C&C3 was fun too, but that doesn't make it great.
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On October 19 2008 10:10 stenole wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 09:59 SonuvBob wrote:On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it. You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p Teamliquid.net did create an SC2 forum. Most of the coverage from Blizzcon has been about SC2. Also previous news postings about SC2 have given the impression of some sort of arrangement between Blizzard and Teamliquid. So it feels like an endorsement to me.
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tl has sold it's soul?
shit, i see more pessimism here about SC2 than almost anywhere - and frankly, i see it almost everywhere. where do you get the idea that everyone is blindly excited? the staff down to the posters are almost uniformly worried.
that said, personally i have my worries and my hopes. we'll see.
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On October 19 2008 10:10 Ideas wrote:
I think you guys need to check your sources on the C&C3 stuff.
Blogs have sources?
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It might suffer from the same effects as the jump fomr Cs1.6 to source.
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Blind excitement? Do you know how many people have played it already.
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On October 19 2008 10:10 stenole wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 09:59 SonuvBob wrote:On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it. You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p Teamliquid.net did create an SC2 forum. Most of the coverage from Blizzcon has been about SC2. Also previous news postings about SC2 have given the impression of some sort of arrangement between Blizzard and Teamliquid. So it feels like an endorsement to me.
There's a pretty big difference between catering to our members (who want to read about and discuss SC2) and selling out.
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This game is going to be great.
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On October 19 2008 10:10 stenole wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 09:59 SonuvBob wrote:On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it. You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p Teamliquid.net did create an SC2 forum. Most of the coverage from Blizzcon has been about SC2. Also previous news postings about SC2 have given the impression of some sort of arrangement between Blizzard and Teamliquid. So it feels like an endorsement to me.
oh shit the conspiracies theories.
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On October 19 2008 10:10 stenole wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2008 09:59 SonuvBob wrote:On October 19 2008 09:47 stenole wrote:
Starcraft 2 worries me. Well, it's not really the game itself that worries me. But this website's blind excitement about it. Maybe I'm a bit excited about it too. And that worries me also. What I am concerned about is that it looks more or less like any other RTS out there. It is getting a lot of special treatment by the community because it is made by Blizzard and that it is the sequel to our beloved Starcraft. Also Teamliquid seems to have sold its soul to endorse it. You realize there's only one staff member who even reads the SC2 forum, right? :p Teamliquid.net did create an SC2 forum. Most of the coverage from Blizzcon has been about SC2. Also previous news postings about SC2 have given the impression of some sort of arrangement between Blizzard and Teamliquid. So it feels like an endorsement to me.
or... we like the game starcraft, and they are making a second starcraft. seeing as how this is a starcraft site, and all of us love starcraft, the reasoning behind getting a starcraft 2 section and all the blizzcon sc2 coverage is probably... because we like starcraft.
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I was going to try an respond in detail to each of your points. But honestly theres been very little thought put into your arguments so im just going to say that this blog is garbage and a dramatic vent about nothing.
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