• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:15
CET 06:15
KST 14:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced8[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BW General Discussion soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2436 users

There is Greatness in KTF's Tempest)Is(

Blogs > thunk
Post a Reply
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-10 05:13:24
October 10 2008 05:04 GMT
#1
]There is Greatness in KTF's Tempest)Is(

I've had my eye on a certain progamer for awhile now. Ever since the return from the off-season, (P)Tempest has put together a solid season, a respectable start for a rising progamer. His amateur replays are well known for their unbelievable macro. Last season, he beat (P)Pure on Katrina in one of the more impressive moments of micro that made (P)GARIMTO and (P)Nal_rA nudge each other in glee (he also lost to (P)Zeus in a pretty good timing proxy). He has been 4-3 since this August, losing to (T)RuBy, (T)FrOzean and (P)Pure.

Tempest versus Pure, 4th Set, Proleague 2007



Some of the best zealot versus zealot micro since Garmito at 5:30, and Garmito acknowledging it at 6:50

The lack of Protoss on KTF's bench is clear after (P)Reach and (P)Nal_rA left. (P)LuCifer and Violet aren't the type of Protoss needed to carry KTF through Proleague or its subsequent playoffs. (T)Flash and (Z)Luxury can only carry the KTF so far. (P)Tempest has the opportunity to fill the void left by Kang Min and Park Jung Suk and carry on the legacy of KTF.

Although the amount of games (P)Tempest has played this season is small, his games indicate that he's going to be an exciting player to watch. Excluding his PvP against (P)Pure (which, I'm not sure of, because I haven't seen the VOD yet), (P)Tempest has shown that his play, at least at the mid-tier level, is superior.

(P)Tempest has had a mixed bag of wins. The thing most striking about them are their unorthodoxy. The closes thing to a standard game was (Z)Luxury, who ended up trying a largely ineffective run-by. In (P)Tempest's second most standard game, (T)DarkElf chokes, loses his first tank in the FD against 2 goons and a zeal. then (P)Tempest cleans up the game, following up his quick nexus with two 10+ kill DT and again, rushes tech. (P)Tempest 12 nexus'ed against (T)Fantasy, fending off the bunker rush and rushing straight into DT after that. Finally, he cannon rushes (T)RuBy, (P)Nal_rA style, winning the game in an exciting manner as he proxy DT techs behind (T)RuBy's main to finish him off.

Tempest versus Luxury, MSL Survivor




Tempest versus Darkelf, MSL Survivor




Tempest versus Fantasy, MSL Group Stage




Tempest versus Ruby, MSL Group Stage




I cannot ignore the losses the games that (P)Tempest has lost. Or his single proleague game, where he apparently sucked (and lost). But past that, his loses are as elucidating as his wins and indicate where his game is weak and where he must improve if he is to be the player that he can be.

Tempest versus Ruby, MSL Group Stage





In his game against (T)RuBy, (P)Tempest shows that he is still a macro player. He delays his Arbiter tech until after he's taken his fourth base. He builds ninety supply worth of pylons at his natural. He eventually loses because of solid vulture harass from (T)RuBy and, although he breaks (T)RuBy's army the first time, (P)Tempest fails to shut down any of (T)RuBy's expos and (T)RuBy's macro and grades kick in. Although (P)Tempest's army is up to par, his tech isn't. (P)Tempest's army melts beneath (T)RuBy's push.

Tempest versus Frozean. MSL Survivor




Against (T)FrOzean, (P)Tempest again loses to vulture harass. (P)Tempest again goes for an early nexus-dt build. In potentially the biggest what-the-fuck moment of the year (the obs don't even catch it), (T)DarkElf sneaks vultures into (P)Tempest's main and kills many probes and scouts the dark templar tech. (P)Tempest sprint techs into Arbiter but can't fend off the vulture harass that caps his macro and eventually is crushed against (T)FrOzean's push.

The vulture harass indicate some of the biggest weaknesses in (P)Tempest's style. It could indicate many things, weak mini-map eyes, slow hands, poor multitasking, or the inability to close the seams in his builds. (P)Tempest also shows he's vulnerable to big army pushes without tech, which he has a tendency to delay in favor of more expos. He also doesn't like harassing, another skill that (P)Tempest must be willing to incorporate into his game play to become a championship caliber player.

At the same time, (P)Tempest shows his mechanics are solid. In both his games versus (T)Fantasy and (T)DarkElf, he shows that his micro is solid, taking out the FD with minimal units and both of (T)Fantasy's bunkers without batting an eye. In all games, (P)Tempest ends the games with an unheard of number of gateways in his main. (P)Tempest's macro and micro should not be the limiting factor of his game play.

(P)Tempest plays with flair that is instrumental in any good player. He is pioneering a new Protoss build which ultimately might become the norm: A Reach-esque 1 zeal before gas and core, a nexus plant after the 2nd goon, into a sprint toward DT drop that diverges into more expos or Arbiter tech. It seems to be a strong build, weak to vulture harass (note that in (P)Tempest's game against (T)DarkElf, (P)Tempest fends off the vulture harass with one good and a pylon wall) and it has the potential to be the next development in PvT of the on going developments in PvT.

It is too early to see if (P)Tempest will restore the glory of KTF Protosses. (P)Tempest has shown he has been influenced by the KTF Protoss of yore– the cannon rush screamed (P)rA and the way he charged (T)Fantasy's natural was like something out of a (P)Reach highlight video. (P)Tempest may yet fill the shoes of (P)Nal_rA and (P)Reach, or he may just turn into just another Protoss. He could be a champion or a flop. His play to scrape himself out of his MSL groups seems to dictate his desire to innovate and be part of the former rather than the latter.


*****
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 10 2008 05:06 GMT
#2
As I looked up statistics to write this, I noted that KTF is truly Yellow's team: they have never won a first place in Proleague. They have gotten a whole lot of seconds though.

Luxury versus Tempest is some of the worst play out of Luxury I've ever seen. And there has been some bad play out of Luxury in his career. He took out like 6 probes total with 12 lings and accidentally canceled his lair. In an odd way, Tempest's unorthodoxy reminds me of Luxury; both show the desire to play beyond the book, not by the book. I hope Tempest grows beyond what Luxury is now.

Does anyone know how to find images on Formos and Fighter Forum and places like that? I'm having trouble with it, but I dunno if Tempest is the type of person to get his picture on any of those websites.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
October 10 2008 05:09 GMT
#3
All i can say Tempest vs Pure on Pro league 08-09 is like watching two retards try to eat Jell-O with chopsticks. as quoted by DJEtterStyle
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 10 2008 05:12 GMT
#4
Yea, he apparently sucked in that game. I haven't seen it yet; it isn't in TLPD.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 10 2008 05:33 GMT
#5
Tempest is showing alot of potential in MSL, but they were against terrans.

Problem with KTF (before lux came in) was that the majority of the team didn't have a decent player to practice with (only flash).

For example, Flash. Who is Flash's #1 training partner? Guess what hes not in KTF. (P)Stork is Flash's #1 TvP partner (which explains why their TvP and PvT is great).

I mean training with Flash's TvP, Tempest has got to be good at PvT.

Oh heres the picture from fomos, he looks mad buttery though
[image loading]
dats racist
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 10 2008 05:36 GMT
#6
When I saw his first game against Ruby, I was like HOLY FUCK that's a lot of zealots, but his game sense is a bit lacking, the first big attack was lacking HT's and just melted as a result.
Jaedong
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
October 10 2008 14:24 GMT
#7
Tempest)IS( is truly the definition of a macro player. I remember the small time period after my iccup binge and before my BW exodus, I looked at several games and replays with Tempest in it. He is very talented in determining the exact # of gates/expos/unit ratios, probably one reason why his macro is unbelievable. I also remember someone commenting the fact that another reason that Tempest's macro is off the charts is due to his zealot production ratio, since they are cheaper than goons.

In any case, great write up! I'll be watching some of these clips, expecting some epic games :D
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 10 2008 19:12 GMT
#8
His game against darkelf was...simply put, cheesy.

He has the tools, and he has shown signs of greatness, most notably in his macro wins. However, he hasn't yet shown that he can win a game straight up. The fact that his macro suffers from vulture harass (consistently) in a longer style game, and the fact that he hasn't played and won against any of the current (or even former) S class players leads me to suspect how well he might do. Also, in televised games the only zerg he has beaten was...luxury, which was noted.

He has potential as a rising player, but if he makes it, he'll play in the same form as flash-known for cheesy play when he first started, but now known as someone who has macro like no other. His other path is to go down as a cheesy, interesting player, like upmagic, who doesn't look like he's ever going to make it.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
2025 KFC Monthly #3 - Day 2
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
LANified! 37: Groundswell
Discussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 186
Nina 92
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3639
PianO 815
ggaemo 189
Leta 125
ivOry 28
Noble 28
Bale 16
Dota 2
monkeys_forever562
NeuroSwarm99
League of Legends
JimRising 716
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1614
PGG 168
Other Games
summit1g12271
WinterStarcraft339
C9.Mang0254
Mew2King111
ViBE59
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick858
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream244
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH241
• davetesta48
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki45
• Diggity3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1413
• Lourlo691
• HappyZerGling132
Other Games
• Shiphtur113
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 45m
WardiTV Korean Royale
6h 45m
OSC
11h 45m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.