• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:03
CEST 11:03
KST 18:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down12ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League54Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance? [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9508 users

There is Greatness in KTF's Tempest)Is(

Blogs > thunk
Post a Reply
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-10 05:13:24
October 10 2008 05:04 GMT
#1
]There is Greatness in KTF's Tempest)Is(

I've had my eye on a certain progamer for awhile now. Ever since the return from the off-season, (P)Tempest has put together a solid season, a respectable start for a rising progamer. His amateur replays are well known for their unbelievable macro. Last season, he beat (P)Pure on Katrina in one of the more impressive moments of micro that made (P)GARIMTO and (P)Nal_rA nudge each other in glee (he also lost to (P)Zeus in a pretty good timing proxy). He has been 4-3 since this August, losing to (T)RuBy, (T)FrOzean and (P)Pure.

Tempest versus Pure, 4th Set, Proleague 2007



Some of the best zealot versus zealot micro since Garmito at 5:30, and Garmito acknowledging it at 6:50

The lack of Protoss on KTF's bench is clear after (P)Reach and (P)Nal_rA left. (P)LuCifer and Violet aren't the type of Protoss needed to carry KTF through Proleague or its subsequent playoffs. (T)Flash and (Z)Luxury can only carry the KTF so far. (P)Tempest has the opportunity to fill the void left by Kang Min and Park Jung Suk and carry on the legacy of KTF.

Although the amount of games (P)Tempest has played this season is small, his games indicate that he's going to be an exciting player to watch. Excluding his PvP against (P)Pure (which, I'm not sure of, because I haven't seen the VOD yet), (P)Tempest has shown that his play, at least at the mid-tier level, is superior.

(P)Tempest has had a mixed bag of wins. The thing most striking about them are their unorthodoxy. The closes thing to a standard game was (Z)Luxury, who ended up trying a largely ineffective run-by. In (P)Tempest's second most standard game, (T)DarkElf chokes, loses his first tank in the FD against 2 goons and a zeal. then (P)Tempest cleans up the game, following up his quick nexus with two 10+ kill DT and again, rushes tech. (P)Tempest 12 nexus'ed against (T)Fantasy, fending off the bunker rush and rushing straight into DT after that. Finally, he cannon rushes (T)RuBy, (P)Nal_rA style, winning the game in an exciting manner as he proxy DT techs behind (T)RuBy's main to finish him off.

Tempest versus Luxury, MSL Survivor




Tempest versus Darkelf, MSL Survivor




Tempest versus Fantasy, MSL Group Stage




Tempest versus Ruby, MSL Group Stage




I cannot ignore the losses the games that (P)Tempest has lost. Or his single proleague game, where he apparently sucked (and lost). But past that, his loses are as elucidating as his wins and indicate where his game is weak and where he must improve if he is to be the player that he can be.

Tempest versus Ruby, MSL Group Stage





In his game against (T)RuBy, (P)Tempest shows that he is still a macro player. He delays his Arbiter tech until after he's taken his fourth base. He builds ninety supply worth of pylons at his natural. He eventually loses because of solid vulture harass from (T)RuBy and, although he breaks (T)RuBy's army the first time, (P)Tempest fails to shut down any of (T)RuBy's expos and (T)RuBy's macro and grades kick in. Although (P)Tempest's army is up to par, his tech isn't. (P)Tempest's army melts beneath (T)RuBy's push.

Tempest versus Frozean. MSL Survivor




Against (T)FrOzean, (P)Tempest again loses to vulture harass. (P)Tempest again goes for an early nexus-dt build. In potentially the biggest what-the-fuck moment of the year (the obs don't even catch it), (T)DarkElf sneaks vultures into (P)Tempest's main and kills many probes and scouts the dark templar tech. (P)Tempest sprint techs into Arbiter but can't fend off the vulture harass that caps his macro and eventually is crushed against (T)FrOzean's push.

The vulture harass indicate some of the biggest weaknesses in (P)Tempest's style. It could indicate many things, weak mini-map eyes, slow hands, poor multitasking, or the inability to close the seams in his builds. (P)Tempest also shows he's vulnerable to big army pushes without tech, which he has a tendency to delay in favor of more expos. He also doesn't like harassing, another skill that (P)Tempest must be willing to incorporate into his game play to become a championship caliber player.

At the same time, (P)Tempest shows his mechanics are solid. In both his games versus (T)Fantasy and (T)DarkElf, he shows that his micro is solid, taking out the FD with minimal units and both of (T)Fantasy's bunkers without batting an eye. In all games, (P)Tempest ends the games with an unheard of number of gateways in his main. (P)Tempest's macro and micro should not be the limiting factor of his game play.

(P)Tempest plays with flair that is instrumental in any good player. He is pioneering a new Protoss build which ultimately might become the norm: A Reach-esque 1 zeal before gas and core, a nexus plant after the 2nd goon, into a sprint toward DT drop that diverges into more expos or Arbiter tech. It seems to be a strong build, weak to vulture harass (note that in (P)Tempest's game against (T)DarkElf, (P)Tempest fends off the vulture harass with one good and a pylon wall) and it has the potential to be the next development in PvT of the on going developments in PvT.

It is too early to see if (P)Tempest will restore the glory of KTF Protosses. (P)Tempest has shown he has been influenced by the KTF Protoss of yore– the cannon rush screamed (P)rA and the way he charged (T)Fantasy's natural was like something out of a (P)Reach highlight video. (P)Tempest may yet fill the shoes of (P)Nal_rA and (P)Reach, or he may just turn into just another Protoss. He could be a champion or a flop. His play to scrape himself out of his MSL groups seems to dictate his desire to innovate and be part of the former rather than the latter.


*****
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 10 2008 05:06 GMT
#2
As I looked up statistics to write this, I noted that KTF is truly Yellow's team: they have never won a first place in Proleague. They have gotten a whole lot of seconds though.

Luxury versus Tempest is some of the worst play out of Luxury I've ever seen. And there has been some bad play out of Luxury in his career. He took out like 6 probes total with 12 lings and accidentally canceled his lair. In an odd way, Tempest's unorthodoxy reminds me of Luxury; both show the desire to play beyond the book, not by the book. I hope Tempest grows beyond what Luxury is now.

Does anyone know how to find images on Formos and Fighter Forum and places like that? I'm having trouble with it, but I dunno if Tempest is the type of person to get his picture on any of those websites.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
October 10 2008 05:09 GMT
#3
All i can say Tempest vs Pure on Pro league 08-09 is like watching two retards try to eat Jell-O with chopsticks. as quoted by DJEtterStyle
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 10 2008 05:12 GMT
#4
Yea, he apparently sucked in that game. I haven't seen it yet; it isn't in TLPD.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
October 10 2008 05:33 GMT
#5
Tempest is showing alot of potential in MSL, but they were against terrans.

Problem with KTF (before lux came in) was that the majority of the team didn't have a decent player to practice with (only flash).

For example, Flash. Who is Flash's #1 training partner? Guess what hes not in KTF. (P)Stork is Flash's #1 TvP partner (which explains why their TvP and PvT is great).

I mean training with Flash's TvP, Tempest has got to be good at PvT.

Oh heres the picture from fomos, he looks mad buttery though
[image loading]
dats racist
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 10 2008 05:36 GMT
#6
When I saw his first game against Ruby, I was like HOLY FUCK that's a lot of zealots, but his game sense is a bit lacking, the first big attack was lacking HT's and just melted as a result.
Jaedong
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
October 10 2008 14:24 GMT
#7
Tempest)IS( is truly the definition of a macro player. I remember the small time period after my iccup binge and before my BW exodus, I looked at several games and replays with Tempest in it. He is very talented in determining the exact # of gates/expos/unit ratios, probably one reason why his macro is unbelievable. I also remember someone commenting the fact that another reason that Tempest's macro is off the charts is due to his zealot production ratio, since they are cheaper than goons.

In any case, great write up! I'll be watching some of these clips, expecting some epic games :D
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 10 2008 19:12 GMT
#8
His game against darkelf was...simply put, cheesy.

He has the tools, and he has shown signs of greatness, most notably in his macro wins. However, he hasn't yet shown that he can win a game straight up. The fact that his macro suffers from vulture harass (consistently) in a longer style game, and the fact that he hasn't played and won against any of the current (or even former) S class players leads me to suspect how well he might do. Also, in televised games the only zerg he has beaten was...luxury, which was noted.

He has potential as a rising player, but if he makes it, he'll play in the same form as flash-known for cheesy play when he first started, but now known as someone who has macro like no other. His other path is to go down as a cheesy, interesting player, like upmagic, who doesn't look like he's ever going to make it.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 4720
Rain 2257
BeSt 282
Hyuk 229
Dewaltoss 171
Zeus 106
Soma 87
Leta 84
Mong 58
Aegong 34
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 30
Bale 29
Sharp 22
ggaemo 20
NotJumperer 20
Killer 18
sorry 16
Movie 9
ZerO 7
Terrorterran 2
Britney 1
Dota 2
Gorgc9130
League of Legends
JimRising 519
Counter-Strike
olofmeister902
shoxiejesuss203
Other Games
ceh9607
ZerO(Twitch)0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 59
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 13
• killerbeecast4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2202
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1h 57m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
4h 57m
Big Brain Bouts
6h 57m
FEL
23h 57m
Patches Events
1d 3h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 7h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.