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Despite all my hating on him, after much heartfelt deliberation i've decided to commit my vote for that half-black man, Obama. It has nothing to do with my agreement (or there lackof) with Obama's economic policies. It has only slightly more to do with my agreement (or there lackof) with Mccain's economic policies.
Obama and McCain have the same economic policy: regulate more, government more, etc. Either one would do the same thing to the economy.
The real factor, though, is that McCain is very antagonistic towards Russia. And Putin recently sent nuclear capable bombers to Venuzuela with our dickering in Georgia and Ukraine. I am heavily concerned that McCain will likely invade Iran and/or Russia, causing a massive nuclear war that will result in the entire eradication of 95% of the world population. Call me crazy, but can't you call McCain crazy too? At the very least, I'd rather not be drafted. Under Obama, I may be poor, but at least I'm alive, whereas under McCain, I'll be poor and dead.
So congratulations Democrats, you've got this hardline anarcho-capitalist's vote. Not just because Obama has a teensy weensy bit of laissez-faire in him, nor because he used to teach at my college. But because the alternative is far, far, worse.
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I may be poor, but at least I'm alive, whereas under McCain, I'll be poor and dead.
What does economical wealth matter when you're dead? And you are indeed crazy if you think the US would invade Russia.
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The point of the voting system is that you vote for the candidate whose views best represent your own. To vote for someone simply because you don't want the other guy to win is counterintuitive. There are more than 2 candidates in this election, could you not find one that represents your views?
You have a good point about McCain, but I think Obama is just a shitload of awful.
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Yeah Russia would have to do something huge for us to even consider it. And even then...
As for me I live in Nebraska so my vote officially doesn't matter. At all. Like popular vote could be 100% democrat here and our votes would still be republican.
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Hey, McCain is just trying to help the economy. Wars are known for helping down economies.
Unfortunately he is insane and isn't doing it right. I suppose a nuclear war would eliminate a lot of debt, because if the creditors are dead, do you still owe the money?
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On September 16 2008 15:08 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote + I may be poor, but at least I'm alive, whereas under McCain, I'll be poor and dead. What does economical wealth matter when you're dead? And you are indeed crazy if you think the US would invade Russia.
McCain: We are All Georigans:
~supports Georgia and Ukraine in NATO
If Russia attacks either Georgia or Ukraine, NATO will be OBLIGATED to attack Russia. GG world.
my point is both presidents will make me poor. one will make me dead.
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On September 16 2008 15:15 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2008 15:08 Hittegods wrote: I may be poor, but at least I'm alive, whereas under McCain, I'll be poor and dead. What does economical wealth matter when you're dead? And you are indeed crazy if you think the US would invade Russia. McCain: We are All Georigans: ~supports Georgia and Ukraine in NATO If Russia attacks either Georgia or Ukraine, NATO will be OBLIGATED to attack Russia. GG world. my point is both presidents will make me poor. one will make me dead.
You are pretty naive if you think the US would risk nuclear war over Georgia or (more or less) any other NATO country. Sure, technically you are obligated to help, but those terms would surely be twisted to avoid such a situation. Georgia joining NATO is not going to happen anytime soon either, for that matter.
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On September 16 2008 15:18 HeadBangaa wrote:
Bob Barr, 2008
He's a false libertarian. Ron Paul is the true Libertarian candidate. Write him in if you want true freedom.
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Well, you know, when you're only given two choices you're not likely to be fond of either of them. It's just odds.
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It is funny because when you read each and every newspaper in France (an Europe I guess), it looks like McCain has as much understanding about econmy as a retarded monkey and the social vision of a far right Catholic integrist with a KKK membership, for whom "foreign policy" is what happens in the suburbs.
And Obama is simply the hope of a whole generation, who will make the Earth a peaceful and prosperous place.. JFK? Martin Luther King? Meh. Obama is the real thing.
You will hear about every stupid thing McCain does or says (and that's a lot), but you can't find an Obama criticism anywhere.
So I would be curious to know what their exact plan for the economy is (because, yes, it matters for Europe too...)
On a side note, after hearing a bit of McCain, I think he is a moron and he will be even worse than Bush as a President. Not only for the US but for international affairs too.
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Actually Caller, we, the Obama supporters don't win.
You win, by casting your vote for Obama.
Congratulations on making the right choice.
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As someone has pointed out, if you don't share same views with those two , then why don't you look for another candidate, I'm pretty sure there're lots of other candidates out there. America is said to be the country of freedom and democracy, then why don't you show it and do the most democratic thing which is to vote the candidate which represents you the best.
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On September 16 2008 15:04 Caller wrote:
Despite all my hating on him, after much heartfelt deliberation i've decided to commit my vote for that half-black man, Obama. It has nothing to do with my agreement (or there lackof) with Obama's economic policies. It has only slightly more to do with my agreement (or there lackof) with Mccain's economic policies.
Obama and McCain have the same economic policy: regulate more, government more, etc. Either one would do the same thing to the economy.
The real factor, though, is that McCain is very antagonistic towards Russia. And Putin recently sent nuclear capable bombers to Venuzuela with our dickering in Georgia and Ukraine. I am heavily concerned that McCain will likely invade Iran and/or Russia, causing a massive nuclear war that will result in the entire eradication of 95% of the world population. Call me crazy, but can't you call McCain crazy too? At the very least, I'd rather not be drafted. Under Obama, I may be poor, but at least I'm alive, whereas under McCain, I'll be poor and dead.
So congratulations Democrats, you've got this hardline anarcho-capitalist's vote. Not just because Obama has a teensy weensy bit of laissez-faire in him, nor because he used to teach at my college. But because the alternative is far, far, worse.
My god...
Yeah, good, continue to fuck everybody, in Irak, in Afghanistan, and soon in Russia. Vote Mc Cain yeaaah!
I don't like US and there so called "leadership", that nobody wants and which, for their economic interest is fucking the whole world.
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That's a nutty opinion, Caller. There is no way USA would invade Russia, something absolutely ridiculous what have to happen on Russia's part.
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On September 16 2008 15:04 Caller wrote:
I am heavily concerned that McCain will likely invade Iran and/or Russia, causing a massive nuclear war that will result in the entire eradication of 95% of the world population.
There won't be a war with Russia. If World War 3 didn't happen at the Cuba crisis, then it surely won't happen due to Georgia. Although it has been agreed upon that Georgia will become a member of the NATO, there has not been announced a time line or date for this to happen.
It is the policy of the NATO to not accept countries with territorial issues, thus I'd assume that Georgia will only be accepted in the NATO after the situation with Russia has been solved.
Honestly, I do favor Obama but I do like McCains personality and character and it seems unlikely to me that he is a maniac or insane. Palin maybe, but not McCain. If anybody knows about the tragedy of war, he should be it, right?
In conclusion, vote who you like best but do not consider big Mc insane. :D
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Schnake, meet Israel and Iran.
Iran and Israel, meet Schnake.
We're on the brink of conflict and McCain's leadership will likely lead to a lot more deaths than Obama's.
When McCain makes his "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" comment you have to realize he's semi-serious (even though he doesn't know the difference between a sunni and a shia) and even more frightening is that he's convinced in the same failing air force strategy we used during the Vietnam war because it's been shoved up his ass so many times that he's a war hero.
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i agree with what jibba said
foreign policy atm is far too delicate to deal with it in a traditional "i'm a vietnam veteran - you know what to expect from me" manner.
obama is the only "wise" choice imho, though he is not mr. perfect - as nobody is - he may be able with his attitude and just his appearance to ease tensions that would otherwise lead to very very unpleasant and somehow incalculable consequences.
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