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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 05:22 GMT
#1
So I decided to mess around with my roommate's guitar (me having played piano and violin), and wow, I think it is literally impossible for me to play guitar, like physically. I cannot reach the simple chords in Romance (u know that piece that every classical guitarist knows). I've tried just holding the position, 8th fret on 1st string and 5th on 2nd and 3rd, and I cannot. Like, I end up on the 7th fret rather than the 8th :-(, can't stretch finger to 8th. Am i fucked? :-(

Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
September 06 2008 05:24 GMT
#2
Fucked how? If you consider yourself fucked because you cannot play chords to Romance after messing around with a guitar, then yes you are I suppose, but that's a shitty definition.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
September 06 2008 05:26 GMT
#3
I wouldn't say so, that's a somewhat abnormal chord... you played violin so I don't think your hand position should be that much of a problem, so try to use what you know from violin
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
September 06 2008 05:26 GMT
#4
It takes lots of practice. No one can do that at first.
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randomscrub
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria44 Posts
September 06 2008 05:27 GMT
#5
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 05:42 GMT
#6
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
September 06 2008 05:42 GMT
#7
Er, it's 8-5-5-x-x-x? Or 8-5-5-5-x-x? I think that's Cmaj 4th position, just barré the fifth string with your index and strech the pinky to the 8th fret. You'll never reach the C note on the first string without a barré across the 5th fret. Incidentally, that chord is part of the intro to "Stairway to Heaven."
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
September 06 2008 05:48 GMT
#8
As a drill, on the 1st string only just use your first finger (index) to play the A note at the 5th fret, use your middle finger to play A#/Bflat at 6th, your ring finger to play the B at 7th, and finally the pinky to play the C at the 8th fret. Don't take any of your fingers off while doing it and you should feel comfortable.
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 06 2008 06:35 GMT
#9
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.

so move your hand and stretch the other fingers -_-
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 07:06 GMT
#10
On September 06 2008 15:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?


so move your hand and stretch the other fingers -_-



By this i included that. As in my max stretching out fails to cover the distance. Small hand ftl :-(

Very well reflected in my SC as well, i only use 1-5 hotkeys.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 06 2008 07:13 GMT
#11
On September 06 2008 14:26 ahrara_ wrote:
It takes lots of practice. No one can do that at first.

JESUS CAN!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 07:23:42
September 06 2008 07:21 GMT
#12
Edit: I didn't read it as much as I should have. I thought it was just akward for your hands, I didn't think you mean physically small hands. In the sense of having small hands, you're kinda fucked... But Yngwie Malmsteen has small hands.. So do a few other shredders. So it's obviously not that big of an issue. There are alternative chord shapes for every chord.

Also, if you're young, your hands might still grow?

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I remember my first day trying to play guitar. I couldn't make my fingers go where I wanted to. It just feels akward, and you have to physically move your fingers with your other hand to put them in the right place.

It's sorta like making the Vulcan sign with your hand. Connecting your 1st and 2nd finger, your 3rd and 4th finger, and separating them to make a V. Feels akward the first time you try, and now it's dead simple.

There's a lot of muscle memory and junk that goes on. I couldn't do a G chord, C chord, etc.. I just couldn't move my fingers at all. Bar chords were literally impossible for me.

Few years later, I can do it without realizing it. I'm a pretty good guitar player now, can easily play a lot of shred. So just because the first little while is akward as fuck, doesn't mean your fucked at all. I was so desperate once I actually e-mailed Paul Gilbert and asked him if I was "Screwed" because my fingers weren't acting normally. ...

so I understand the fear and the akwardness. It's just practice, familiarization, etc.. It's not uncomfortable in the slightest to fret chords now. It really becomes 100% natural.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 07:25:45
September 06 2008 07:25 GMT
#13
Hopefully that is the case Nintu. Just I have been o.O?ing cause its not moving my fingers that is the issue, they move fine, its like pizzicato on violin sort of. Its just feeling like trying to do a 10th on the piano (I can't reach that far, can barely do a 9th, and thats only through the halfassed method of playing under the keys). hmm maybe I will play left handed. My fingers are rather longer on my right hand o.O (I'm ambi to an extent so I hope adjusting wont be too much of an issue).

EDIT: am 19, don't think they will grow much more :-(
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 07:26 GMT
#14
Who knows, maybe I will just play it in some strange nonstandard fashion. Tis what I do with all the Chopin/Liszt pieces. Hands too small to play the normal standard way :-(
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
September 06 2008 07:56 GMT
#15
If all else fails just drop it to D and you'll be able to play every Manowar song without even practising.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 09:46:53
September 06 2008 09:44 GMT
#16
look at this

[image loading]


are you trying to hold the 2nd and 3rd strings on the fifth fret with your index and middle fingers like in the first diagram? because you should be holding your index finger across the fifth fret of all three and holding the 8th fret on the first string with your pinky like in the second diagram
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
September 06 2008 09:53 GMT
#17
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 06 2008 11:23 GMT
#18
thats not even a stretch, its only from covering 4 frets, that should be simple even if you havent practised ever / have small hands. the only thing i can think of is that you arent barring the 5th frets with ur index
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
September 06 2008 11:27 GMT
#19
Yeah I play violin too then tried some stuff on the guitar and I cannot for my life do the comparatively awkward stretches and hand positions for guitar. On violin can you reach a tenth in first position? Like maybe first finger for A on the G string, then fourth finger for C on the D string. I can only barely reach this on violin and theres pretty much never a need to stretch that much, but it feels like so much stuff in guitar requires stretches that are crazier than that.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
September 06 2008 11:34 GMT
#20
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 14:53:28
September 06 2008 14:52 GMT
#21
Whatever yubee says...

You develop a different set of muscles for guitar. I think the difference might be that you have to tighten more fingers at the same time when playing guitar. Also learning how to keep, say, a pinky finger needed elsewhere relaxed when holding down a barr chord and straining all your other fingers is essential. At a beginner phase reaching with a pinky finger usually causes the disintegration of chords

When I was a beginner -- a long time ago -- I too would find that my fingers automatically clumped together. Give the brain some time to work these things out though. And PRACTICE so you develop those muscles and neural pathways. Pretty soon you'll find you developed a huge fucking lump below your pinky finger, above your wrist, somewhere to the left on the hand (watching it with the palm faced down away from you).

Anyway, I'm drifting off point: I have never seen anyone, no matter how small hands, not eventually being able to reach 3 frets of distance.

I have average sized hands and I can reach 6.

I just recorded the first part of romance on my head set mic for the heck of it: Romance intro

Killed me trying to play it slowly, think it lost some feeling. I like it 2x fast
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
September 06 2008 16:43 GMT
#22
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?


You want to stretch your finger from the first fret to eighth and you just started playing. Cmon dude learn like E A D G... and so on. Dont worry about their bar cords since they are easy to learn especially if you played piano its just about stretching your fingers, when i started I could go index to pinky 1st to 5th and now I can reach much further just from playing all the time.
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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 06 2008 18:18 GMT
#23
On September 06 2008 20:34 yubee wrote:
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily

Yeah I had the same problem. This one song I really liked you had to stretch all over the fucking place, I couldn't do it. Now I can do it no problem.

The same thing happened with using my pinky finger, I couldn't use it at first. Now I can use it just like any other one. I still have problems with fast solos though. Seems inhumanly possible some of them.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 23:03 GMT
#24
On September 06 2008 20:34 yubee wrote:
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily



I see. Btw I didn't cop out, I've been spamming it heh.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 23:04:35
September 06 2008 23:04 GMT
#25
On September 06 2008 18:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
look at this

[image loading]


are you trying to hold the 2nd and 3rd strings on the fifth fret with your index and middle fingers like in the first diagram? because you should be holding your index finger across the fifth fret of all three and holding the 8th fret on the first string with your pinky like in the second diagram



Did I ever mention how awesome you are? :-D (btw i am playing the check version)
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 23:14 GMT
#26
Another question though, sometimes, when i am playing those chords, it makes a weird hafl assed not whole sound (if u get what i mean). I cant seem to tell why that happens, is holding the string down in a certain manner the reason? If so, what manner is it o.O?
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 23:22:07
September 06 2008 23:20 GMT
#27
you're probably not pressing firmly enough. Also the optimal position of your fingers would be just to the left (when you're looking from above the guitar) of the fret divider thing (not sure what it's called, lol).

Like for your pinky, you want it to be just to the left of the bar that separates 8th and 9th fret. Not sure how much difference this will make, but this was what I was taught to do
blabberrrrr
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 07 2008 00:02 GMT
#28
On September 07 2008 08:20 blabber wrote:
you're probably not pressing firmly enough. Also the optimal position of your fingers would be just to the left (when you're looking from above the guitar) of the fret divider thing (not sure what it's called, lol).

Like for your pinky, you want it to be just to the left of the bar that separates 8th and 9th fret. Not sure how much difference this will make, but this was what I was taught to do


yes, this is true. the reason for this is that you're actually holding the string against the fret markers, shortening the length of string that vibrates and therefore playing a different note

you need to make sure you're pressing the string firmly against it, and holding the string down just behind it is the way to go
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