• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:06
CEST 11:06
KST 18:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1794 users

Guitar Issues

Blogs > EtherealDeath
Post a Reply
Normal
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 05:22 GMT
#1
So I decided to mess around with my roommate's guitar (me having played piano and violin), and wow, I think it is literally impossible for me to play guitar, like physically. I cannot reach the simple chords in Romance (u know that piece that every classical guitarist knows). I've tried just holding the position, 8th fret on 1st string and 5th on 2nd and 3rd, and I cannot. Like, I end up on the 7th fret rather than the 8th :-(, can't stretch finger to 8th. Am i fucked? :-(

Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
September 06 2008 05:24 GMT
#2
Fucked how? If you consider yourself fucked because you cannot play chords to Romance after messing around with a guitar, then yes you are I suppose, but that's a shitty definition.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
September 06 2008 05:26 GMT
#3
I wouldn't say so, that's a somewhat abnormal chord... you played violin so I don't think your hand position should be that much of a problem, so try to use what you know from violin
blabberrrrr
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
September 06 2008 05:26 GMT
#4
It takes lots of practice. No one can do that at first.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
randomscrub
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria44 Posts
September 06 2008 05:27 GMT
#5
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 05:42 GMT
#6
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
September 06 2008 05:42 GMT
#7
Er, it's 8-5-5-x-x-x? Or 8-5-5-5-x-x? I think that's Cmaj 4th position, just barré the fifth string with your index and strech the pinky to the 8th fret. You'll never reach the C note on the first string without a barré across the 5th fret. Incidentally, that chord is part of the intro to "Stairway to Heaven."
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
September 06 2008 05:48 GMT
#8
As a drill, on the 1st string only just use your first finger (index) to play the A note at the 5th fret, use your middle finger to play A#/Bflat at 6th, your ring finger to play the B at 7th, and finally the pinky to play the C at the 8th fret. Don't take any of your fingers off while doing it and you should feel comfortable.
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 06 2008 06:35 GMT
#9
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.

so move your hand and stretch the other fingers -_-
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 07:06 GMT
#10
On September 06 2008 15:35 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?


so move your hand and stretch the other fingers -_-



By this i included that. As in my max stretching out fails to cover the distance. Small hand ftl :-(

Very well reflected in my SC as well, i only use 1-5 hotkeys.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 06 2008 07:13 GMT
#11
On September 06 2008 14:26 ahrara_ wrote:
It takes lots of practice. No one can do that at first.

JESUS CAN!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 07:23:42
September 06 2008 07:21 GMT
#12
Edit: I didn't read it as much as I should have. I thought it was just akward for your hands, I didn't think you mean physically small hands. In the sense of having small hands, you're kinda fucked... But Yngwie Malmsteen has small hands.. So do a few other shredders. So it's obviously not that big of an issue. There are alternative chord shapes for every chord.

Also, if you're young, your hands might still grow?

+ Show Spoiler +

I remember my first day trying to play guitar. I couldn't make my fingers go where I wanted to. It just feels akward, and you have to physically move your fingers with your other hand to put them in the right place.

It's sorta like making the Vulcan sign with your hand. Connecting your 1st and 2nd finger, your 3rd and 4th finger, and separating them to make a V. Feels akward the first time you try, and now it's dead simple.

There's a lot of muscle memory and junk that goes on. I couldn't do a G chord, C chord, etc.. I just couldn't move my fingers at all. Bar chords were literally impossible for me.

Few years later, I can do it without realizing it. I'm a pretty good guitar player now, can easily play a lot of shred. So just because the first little while is akward as fuck, doesn't mean your fucked at all. I was so desperate once I actually e-mailed Paul Gilbert and asked him if I was "Screwed" because my fingers weren't acting normally. ...

so I understand the fear and the akwardness. It's just practice, familiarization, etc.. It's not uncomfortable in the slightest to fret chords now. It really becomes 100% natural.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 07:25:45
September 06 2008 07:25 GMT
#13
Hopefully that is the case Nintu. Just I have been o.O?ing cause its not moving my fingers that is the issue, they move fine, its like pizzicato on violin sort of. Its just feeling like trying to do a 10th on the piano (I can't reach that far, can barely do a 9th, and thats only through the halfassed method of playing under the keys). hmm maybe I will play left handed. My fingers are rather longer on my right hand o.O (I'm ambi to an extent so I hope adjusting wont be too much of an issue).

EDIT: am 19, don't think they will grow much more :-(
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 07:26 GMT
#14
Who knows, maybe I will just play it in some strange nonstandard fashion. Tis what I do with all the Chopin/Liszt pieces. Hands too small to play the normal standard way :-(
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
September 06 2008 07:56 GMT
#15
If all else fails just drop it to D and you'll be able to play every Manowar song without even practising.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 09:46:53
September 06 2008 09:44 GMT
#16
look at this

[image loading]


are you trying to hold the 2nd and 3rd strings on the fifth fret with your index and middle fingers like in the first diagram? because you should be holding your index finger across the fifth fret of all three and holding the 8th fret on the first string with your pinky like in the second diagram
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
September 06 2008 09:53 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 06 2008 11:23 GMT
#18
thats not even a stretch, its only from covering 4 frets, that should be simple even if you havent practised ever / have small hands. the only thing i can think of is that you arent barring the 5th frets with ur index
HEY MEYT
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
September 06 2008 11:27 GMT
#19
Yeah I play violin too then tried some stuff on the guitar and I cannot for my life do the comparatively awkward stretches and hand positions for guitar. On violin can you reach a tenth in first position? Like maybe first finger for A on the G string, then fourth finger for C on the D string. I can only barely reach this on violin and theres pretty much never a need to stretch that much, but it feels like so much stuff in guitar requires stretches that are crazier than that.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
September 06 2008 11:34 GMT
#20
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 14:53:28
September 06 2008 14:52 GMT
#21
Whatever yubee says...

You develop a different set of muscles for guitar. I think the difference might be that you have to tighten more fingers at the same time when playing guitar. Also learning how to keep, say, a pinky finger needed elsewhere relaxed when holding down a barr chord and straining all your other fingers is essential. At a beginner phase reaching with a pinky finger usually causes the disintegration of chords

When I was a beginner -- a long time ago -- I too would find that my fingers automatically clumped together. Give the brain some time to work these things out though. And PRACTICE so you develop those muscles and neural pathways. Pretty soon you'll find you developed a huge fucking lump below your pinky finger, above your wrist, somewhere to the left on the hand (watching it with the palm faced down away from you).

Anyway, I'm drifting off point: I have never seen anyone, no matter how small hands, not eventually being able to reach 3 frets of distance.

I have average sized hands and I can reach 6.

I just recorded the first part of romance on my head set mic for the heck of it: Romance intro

Killed me trying to play it slowly, think it lost some feeling. I like it 2x fast
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
September 06 2008 16:43 GMT
#22
On September 06 2008 14:42 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 14:27 randomscrub wrote:
i have extremely small hands and that chord sounds easy...

are you using your pinky like you are supposed to? you only use 2 fingers for that chord, the index holds down 2 strings and the pinky gets the one on the 8th fret



Yea I am, but like, I can't stretch the pinky out to the 8th fret. It wont reach >.<?


You want to stretch your finger from the first fret to eighth and you just started playing. Cmon dude learn like E A D G... and so on. Dont worry about their bar cords since they are easy to learn especially if you played piano its just about stretching your fingers, when i started I could go index to pinky 1st to 5th and now I can reach much further just from playing all the time.
TeamLiquids #1 illiterate writer, writin dem wordz is de hardz.
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 06 2008 18:18 GMT
#23
On September 06 2008 20:34 yubee wrote:
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily

Yeah I had the same problem. This one song I really liked you had to stretch all over the fucking place, I couldn't do it. Now I can do it no problem.

The same thing happened with using my pinky finger, I couldn't use it at first. Now I can use it just like any other one. I still have problems with fast solos though. Seems inhumanly possible some of them.
Not bad for a cat toy.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 23:03 GMT
#24
On September 06 2008 20:34 yubee wrote:
don't cop out and just say small hands, you just have to practice stretching them. i couldn't stretch from 5-8 when i first started playing and now if i needed to i could hit 5-10 easily



I see. Btw I didn't cop out, I've been spamming it heh.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 23:04:35
September 06 2008 23:04 GMT
#25
On September 06 2008 18:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
look at this

[image loading]


are you trying to hold the 2nd and 3rd strings on the fifth fret with your index and middle fingers like in the first diagram? because you should be holding your index finger across the fifth fret of all three and holding the 8th fret on the first string with your pinky like in the second diagram



Did I ever mention how awesome you are? :-D (btw i am playing the check version)
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 06 2008 23:14 GMT
#26
Another question though, sometimes, when i am playing those chords, it makes a weird hafl assed not whole sound (if u get what i mean). I cant seem to tell why that happens, is holding the string down in a certain manner the reason? If so, what manner is it o.O?
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-06 23:22:07
September 06 2008 23:20 GMT
#27
you're probably not pressing firmly enough. Also the optimal position of your fingers would be just to the left (when you're looking from above the guitar) of the fret divider thing (not sure what it's called, lol).

Like for your pinky, you want it to be just to the left of the bar that separates 8th and 9th fret. Not sure how much difference this will make, but this was what I was taught to do
blabberrrrr
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 07 2008 00:02 GMT
#28
On September 07 2008 08:20 blabber wrote:
you're probably not pressing firmly enough. Also the optimal position of your fingers would be just to the left (when you're looking from above the guitar) of the fret divider thing (not sure what it's called, lol).

Like for your pinky, you want it to be just to the left of the bar that separates 8th and 9th fret. Not sure how much difference this will make, but this was what I was taught to do


yes, this is true. the reason for this is that you're actually holding the string against the fret markers, shortening the length of string that vibrates and therefore playing a different note

you need to make sure you're pressing the string firmly against it, and holding the string down just behind it is the way to go
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 54m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 399
Pusan 286
actioN 205
Larva 192
Backho 142
EffOrt 88
ggaemo 75
Sharp 72
Aegong 70
Hm[arnc] 37
[ Show more ]
Mini 24
Bale 17
NotJumperer 15
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm168
League of Legends
JimRising 622
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King177
Westballz41
Other Games
gofns9601
singsing1034
Pyrionflax152
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream6007
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5843
Other Games
gamesdonequick728
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 35
• Light_VIP 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1187
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
54m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1h 54m
SC Evo League
4h 24m
IPSL
6h 54m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
9h 54m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
12h 54m
CranKy Ducklings
14h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 1h
Ladder Legends
1d 5h
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 9h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
1d 9h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.