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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
August 29 2008 13:53 GMT
#1
I just played a random guy on East and he had 360 apm in a 39 minutes game. 554 max apm. WTF! Is it possible for somone who is not a progamer? In the middle of the game i thought "omg he must be a hacker he knows everything im doing".

***
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32097 Posts
August 29 2008 13:55 GMT
#2
spamming cuntface. check his chart and notice the 1111111111112222222233333333
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 14:06:52
August 29 2008 13:57 GMT
#3
here is the replay link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/40348052/0137_ScaryZ_4584948P.rep.html

i think he didnt spam, but im not sure.

i opened w 3 hatch mutas. he made a corsair before my spire was finished. then i made 2 scourges and was waiting for his corsair to harass ovrlords in my base so i could kill it, but instead, he just waited me in his base, as he knew i was about to make mutas and he knew i was waiting w scourges. he knew of everyplace i have expanded... he must be a hacker or a progamer ffs
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
August 29 2008 14:10 GMT
#4
Didn't watch the rep but I know people with >250 APM and all they do is 121212121212121221212 in their spare time. I suppose someone can just do 1231232131232131323123 and get 360.
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
August 29 2008 14:11 GMT
#5
how can i know if he spammed or not?
can anyone check for it, please?
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
robice
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany114 Posts
August 29 2008 14:21 GMT
#6
dont know if he spammed, but he used maphack for sure. i only watched the first quarter of the rep, and what i saw says Maphacker!
1. he went fe bust never sent a probe out to scout you (at least not in the first 10minutes)
2. u went spire without any other tech (lurk/hyds), and he went 2 stargate before he scouted your base
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 29 2008 14:39 GMT
#7

4584948 Protoss APM: 361
EAPM: 137

63% Useless actions- Massive amount of spam. Check my post on ICC cup levels of separation thread to know how I got to that number ;o
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
August 29 2008 14:53 GMT
#8
basically you see this with bwrepinfo, wright?
EAPM

thanks for all
i knew he was a damn hacker
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 29 2008 15:01 GMT
#9
godamn the protoss
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
August 29 2008 15:11 GMT
#10
protoss needs to hack? really?

also... it WAS us east... notorious for shenanigans
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
August 29 2008 15:16 GMT
#11
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
August 29 2008 15:19 GMT
#12
On August 29 2008 23:10 Kletus wrote:
Didn't watch the rep but I know people with >250 APM and all they do is 121212121212121221212 in their spare time. I suppose someone can just do 1231232131232131323123 and get 360.

what about progamers? surely they'd want to execute mostly valid actions?
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 29 2008 16:59 GMT
#13
On August 30 2008 00:19 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2008 23:10 Kletus wrote:
Didn't watch the rep but I know people with >250 APM and all they do is 121212121212121221212 in their spare time. I suppose someone can just do 1231232131232131323123 and get 360.

what about progamers? surely they'd want to execute mostly valid actions?


Progamers generally don't waste any actions simply to get a larger APM number. I believe spamming is a valid way to keep the blood flowing and the mind going when you're learning though. I find that FORCING myself to spam actions makes me feel as if I need to be using those actions as wisely as possible. Which is after all what the game is all about. I dunno though, I'm relatively noob but it seems to help me gain skill quickly.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
August 29 2008 18:02 GMT
#14
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


It's impossible to average 350 w/o spam. Although that doesn't mean spamming is necessarly bad in all situations. I for one believe spamming can be good in some ways, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people are ready to disagree with me on that part.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
August 29 2008 18:07 GMT
#15
as a terran, my apm is around 230. if i'm actually going for HIGH APM, i get like 290 max. it's fucking difficult to spam and play at the same time. it may be because i am terran, but over 350 apm can't be done unless you're spamming and doing nothing or just naturally fast from practicing a lot.
SNSD fan
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 29 2008 19:01 GMT
#16
uhm 250 gets the job done for me
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
August 29 2008 19:45 GMT
#17
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


wow, u must be very good
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 29 2008 19:51 GMT
#18
On August 30 2008 04:45 Texas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


wow, u must be very good

lol you're not 350
sorry

post your reps
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 29 2008 21:30 GMT
#19
On August 30 2008 04:51 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 04:45 Texas wrote:
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


wow, u must be very good

lol you're not 350
sorry

post your reps


One of these needs to bear over 40 minutes also.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
August 29 2008 23:41 GMT
#20
could be multiselect hacks, or if you paused or the game was lagging. I had 10000 apm one time due to lag spike. throwing some ideas in the pile.
hoorah
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States241 Posts
August 30 2008 04:23 GMT
#21
Actually I saw that terran By.Velocity having 270 EAPM with like 340 apm. That is such rediculously fast handspeed and ALOT of useful actions for such high apm.
=^.^=
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
August 30 2008 06:15 GMT
#22
On August 30 2008 01:59 Mikilatov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 00:19 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On August 29 2008 23:10 Kletus wrote:
Didn't watch the rep but I know people with >250 APM and all they do is 121212121212121221212 in their spare time. I suppose someone can just do 1231232131232131323123 and get 360.

what about progamers? surely they'd want to execute mostly valid actions?


Progamers generally don't waste any actions simply to get a larger APM number. I believe spamming is a valid way to keep the blood flowing and the mind going when you're learning though. I find that FORCING myself to spam actions makes me feel as if I need to be using those actions as wisely as possible. Which is after all what the game is all about. I dunno though, I'm relatively noob but it seems to help me gain skill quickly.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetorical question
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-30 10:57:16
August 30 2008 10:39 GMT
#23
On August 30 2008 15:15 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 01:59 Mikilatov wrote:
On August 30 2008 00:19 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On August 29 2008 23:10 Kletus wrote:
Didn't watch the rep but I know people with >250 APM and all they do is 121212121212121221212 in their spare time. I suppose someone can just do 1231232131232131323123 and get 360.

what about progamers? surely they'd want to execute mostly valid actions?


Progamers generally don't waste any actions simply to get a larger APM number. I believe spamming is a valid way to keep the blood flowing and the mind going when you're learning though. I find that FORCING myself to spam actions makes me feel as if I need to be using those actions as wisely as possible. Which is after all what the game is all about. I dunno though, I'm relatively noob but it seems to help me gain skill quickly.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rhetorical question


Mybad. Ignore the first sentence off of my post. I somehow failed to pick that up. =P
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
August 30 2008 13:35 GMT
#24
all good :D
It's better to burn out than to fade away
ctang
Profile Joined April 2008
China74 Posts
August 30 2008 14:07 GMT
#25
On August 30 2008 13:23 Shinrei wrote:
Actually I saw that terran By.Velocity having 270 EAPM with like 340 apm. That is such rediculously fast handspeed and ALOT of useful actions for such high apm.

Aptly named. I bet he takes his hands to the gym a lot.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
August 30 2008 16:55 GMT
#26
On August 30 2008 03:02 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


It's impossible to average 350 w/o spam. Although that doesn't mean spamming is necessarly bad in all situations. I for one believe spamming can be good in some ways, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people are ready to disagree with me on that part.


Maybe spamming is just so natural to me now, that i do it without thinking, but im pretty sure i dont spam in late game to much.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-30 18:47:26
August 30 2008 18:47 GMT
#27
On August 31 2008 01:55 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2008 03:02 meRz wrote:
On August 30 2008 00:16 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
hmm my apm avgs about 350 in all lengths of games, and im a protoss player and late game i dont even spam.


It's impossible to average 350 w/o spam. Although that doesn't mean spamming is necessarly bad in all situations. I for one believe spamming can be good in some ways, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people are ready to disagree with me on that part.


Maybe spamming is just so natural to me now, that i do it without thinking, but im pretty sure i dont spam in late game to much.

you don't spam late game and you still average 350apm in all lengths of games? wow you are out of this world
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
August 31 2008 01:52 GMT
#28
well overall i avg 350 some games i will have like 410 other's i will have only 310 or so
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
August 31 2008 02:01 GMT
#29
Pretty sick nAi.PrOtOsS
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
August 31 2008 20:42 GMT
#30
On August 31 2008 10:52 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
well overall i avg 350 some games i will have like 410 other's i will have only 310 or so


post rep i wanna see what your EAPM is
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
August 31 2008 21:43 GMT
#31
On August 29 2008 22:55 Hawk wrote:
spamming cuntface. check his chart and notice the 1111111111112222222233333333


All Teh Pros R Spamming Cuntfaces!!@@!~1
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
September 01 2008 04:51 GMT
#32
okok ummm Rep
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 01 2008 04:54 GMT
#33
On September 01 2008 13:51 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
okok ummm Rep


Can we get one 30+ minutes also?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
September 01 2008 14:21 GMT
#34
Ok here is a 45 min one, it was my 1st game of the day (I use that account for warm up games) umm the reason why my apm was so low, was because all i had to control at the end was 2groups of carrier.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
September 01 2008 19:32 GMT
#35
for me it seems that hotkeys over 50% are bad.
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