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tiffany
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are you still angry that you are making 200k a year and getting taxed for it ?????? | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
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 I like him though, it's good that he's a democrat, his position on the Iraq issue is good, and it's good that he knows that USA have to improve their image and foreign politics drastically. And he can't be worse than Bush, so I think it can only get better. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11568 Posts
On July 27 2008 02:55 tiffany wrote: are you still angry that you are making 200k a year and getting taxed for it ?????? My dad makes 400k a year, has to put 4 kids through college in the fall, insurance, and all other necessities. With the increase of taxes, after the TAXES only, my dad will only pocket maybe at MOST 100k. That's 1/4th of his pay. -_-' 100k sounds like a lot. Well, he has to pay 4 kids through college (90k) so he has 10k left. He has to pay for food, gas, car insurance, and he is in the red for the next 4 years. With McCain my dad won't have to pay money out of his retirement plan just to survive the next few years. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 27 2008 03:40 CaucasianAsian wrote: My dad makes 400k a year, has to put 4 kids through college in the fall, insurance, and all other necessities. With the increase of taxes, after the TAXES only, my dad will only pocket maybe at MOST 100k. That's 1/4th of his pay. -_-' 100k sounds like a lot. Well, he has to pay 4 kids through college (90k) so he has 10k left. He has to pay for food, gas, car insurance, and he is in the red for the next 4 years. With McCain my dad won't have to pay money out of his retirement plan just to survive the next few years. You truly think that the government would take 3/4 of your dad's total income under Obama's tax plan? You need to either do some research or stfu. | ||
Jibba
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CaucasianAsian
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 27 2008 05:33 CaucasianAsian wrote: its bout 65% plus medicare and shit So your dad lives in vermont, is self-employed, takes no tax exemptions, and pays the top tax bracket rate on every dollar he earns? -_- + Show Spoiler + Even that wouldn't get the figure to 65%+ | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 27 2008 03:00 tiffany wrote: wait my bad, you are angry that you are unable to circumvent the system like the rest of your rich friends, but instead of blaming their illegal practices you are blindly anti-obama ????? a) flame more b) i already said i don't make nearly that much but it was a poor example evidently c) look at his political positions, he's in favor of as much foreign intervention as bush is, except not in iraq and iran but in pakistan and turkey and africa. Bush expanded government 75%. Obama's solution is to expand government even more, and basically he agrees with Bush in everything except that he doesn't pay lip service to free markets and is against the "War" on Terror. d) flame more e) clearly the practices are legal if they're getting away with it b/c there are loopholes that haven't been closed yet let's go over obama's DOMESTIC positions, according to wikipedia Corporate governance On April 20, 2007, Obama introduced a bill in the Senate (Shareholder Vote on Executive Compensation Act - S. 1181) requiring public companies to give shareholders an annual nonbinding vote on executive compensation, popularly called "Say on pay." ~clearly, if the shareholders don't get the right to something, either they get something else, or something's wrong with the company, in which case they should bail. Labor rights Obama supports the bi-partisan Employee Free Choice Act, which passed the House of Representatives in 2007, but failed to pass the Senate. Obama promises to sign the EFCA into law if he is elected President. His political rival, John McCain opposes the EFCA and proposed to outlaw card check union signature drives with a GOP sponsored bill, the Secret Ballot Protection Act. ~both people are bad: Obama is basically forcing providing unfairly strong incentives for everyone to join unions in order to get jobs, which is a BAD thing. Mccain wants to prevent unions from using freedom of assembly, which is also a BAD thing. Minimum wage Obama favored the increase in the federal minimum wage from $5.15 an hour to $7.25, and he voted to end the filibuster against a bill to accomplish that. ~I hear gas prices are now going from $5.15 a gallon to $7.25 a gallon. Equal pay Obama favors the concept of equal pay (the abolition of wage differences based on gender).[10] He has supported legislation designed to improve the effectiveness of the Equal Pay Act of 1963. ~Great idea, but forcing people to do so is not. If there is gender discrimination, file lawsuits/join other companies/flame them through the media. Education During an October 2004 debate, Obama stated that he opposed education vouchers for use at private schools because he believes they would undermine public schools. ~They're pretty bad as it is. I don't think it could get much worse in public schools. That being said, I oppose vouchers b/c I'd rather have that money myself. In a July 2007 address to the National Education Association, Obama supported merit pay for teachers, to be based on standards to be developed "with teachers." ~Good idea, but look at bad New York teachers and how hard it is to get rid of them. Energy Policy ~I agree with most of Obama's energy policies, except for this one: On June 22, 2008 Obama proposed tightening regulations on oil speculators in an effort to ease record high prices of oil.[34] "My plan fully closes the Enron loophole and restores common-sense regulation," Obama said. ~Speculators are only increasing prices b/c the dollar is really weak. Regulating prices is the door to communism (not socialism, it's already past that) Healthcare On January 24, 2007 Obama spoke about his position on health care at Families USA, a health care advocacy group. Obama said, "The time has come for universal health care in America [...] I am absolutely determined that by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country." Obama went on to say that he believed that it was wrong that forty-seven million Americans are uninsured, noting that taxpayers already pay over $15 billion annually to care for the uninsured.[37] Obama cites cost as the reason so many Americans are without health insurance. ~Health care insurance itself already is a problem. There's no incentive for doctors to lower prices and compete ever since the GOVERNMENT passed a law MANDATING the purchase of HMOs by employers. More government control is definitely not the answer. ~I agree with him on network neutrality and lobbying and abolitioning NAFTA, abet for different reasons. Taxation Obama has proposed a tax plan which includes an $80 billion tax cut for poor and middle-class families and repeal the tax cuts for the richest one percent of taxpayers. His tax plan calls for billions in breaks by nixing income taxes for the 7 million senior citizens making less than $50,000 a year, establishing a universal credit for the 10 million homeowners who do not itemize their deductions -- most of whom make less than $50,000 annually -- and providing 150 million Americans with tax cuts of up to $1,000. Persons making at least $250,000 or more would pay payroll tax on their entire income, as opposed to the first $102,000. ~Woohoo, I love paying more than twice as much social security and medicare taxes that i will never see to help other people already subsidized to pieces get satellite tv. Affirmative action I already flamed on how affirmative action will penalize asians, as seen by this: Obama writes in his most recent book, The Audacity of Hope: "Affirmative action programs, when properly structured, can open up opportunities otherwise closed to qualified minorities without diminishing opportunities for white students." ~so basically asians get shafted. nice tyranny of majority you got there. Faith based programs In July 2008 Obama announced that he wants to expand federal funding of faith-based programs and establish a "Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships". yeah....... Guns During a February 15, 2008 press conference, Obama stated, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation." ~Wait, common sense regulation? wth is that? Death penalty Obama has said that the death penalty is used too frequently and inconsistently. However, he favors it for cases in which "the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage." ~You are hereby condemned to death for treason against the Soviet people. Civil liberties Obama voted in favor of the 2006 version of the USA PATRIOT Act. ~Yeah... Also, let's not forget how we all should learn Spanish. | ||
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Jibba
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:08 Jibba wrote: The Pakistan stuff is debatable, but we're already in Turkey and there is no intervention planned. Africa is something the entire world is looking at, and it's not the US doing it alone like Iraq was. Obama announced a plan — if elected — to deploy an additional 7,000 troops to Afghanistan. In June 2008, Obama became the first presidential candidate ever to publicly back the traditional Israeli position that Jerusalem remain forever undivided under Israel rule. On January 19, 2008 Obama announced that as a U.S. Senator, he has stood with the Armenian American community in calling for Turkey's acknowledgement of the Armenian Genocide, and supports its recognition. On March 20, 2008 Obama criticized his rivals for undermining America’s security: "Because of the Bush-McCain policies, our debt has ballooned. This is creating problems in our fragile economy." "It also means we’re having to pay for this war with loans from China. Having China as our banker isn’t good for our economy, it isn’t good for our global leadership, and it isn’t good for our national security. In a December 2005 Washington Post opinion column, and at the Save Darfur rally in April 2006, Obama called for more assertive action to oppose genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan. In June 2008, Obama called Iran the greatest threat in the Middle East.[132] "There's no greater threat to Israel or to the peace and stability of the region than Iran," Obama said on June 4, 2008. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 27 2008 06:55 Caller wrote: Persons making at least $250,000 or more would pay payroll tax on their entire income, as opposed to the first $102,000. It amuses me that you bolded this... because it's incorrect. | ||
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Jibba
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Deploying 7,000 troops is extremely small, and most people agree we've done a poor job there thus far. Still, that's debatable. Lets move on. Turkey should awknowledge the Armenian genocide. Hell, Armenians should probably get their own country. Just because we criticize them, like we criticize Japan for downplaying all of their war crimes doesn't mean we're going to invade the country, that we're already humongous allies with. Do you really think we should leave Darfur alone? The rest of the world doesn't think so. I'm not a fan of Obama's comments regarding Israel and Iran, however McCain is even more of a hawk regarding those two countries. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:36 Mindcrime wrote: It amuses me that you bolded this... because it's incorrect. payroll tax is not income tax payroll tax is social security and medicare and all those other weird taxes and for proof www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21739271/ abcnews.go.com/politics/Story?id=3638710&page=1 politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/11/obama-i-deserve-a-tax-increase/ | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:40 Jibba wrote: Deploying 7,000 troops is extremely small, and most people agree we've done a poor job there thus far. Still, that's debatable. Lets move on. the fact that we need more troops is a sign that we're not going to be pulling out any time soon. Turkey should awknowledge the Armenian genocide. Hell, Armenians should probably get their own country. Just because we criticize them, like we criticize Japan for downplaying all of their war crimes doesn't mean we're going to invade the country, that we're already humongous allies with. We shouldn't be involved in other countries affairs in the first place. If the Armenians want to revolt, they can do so. They're mostly left alone anyways. Besides its not like we give Britain shit for abusing the Indians. Do you really think we should leave Darfur alone? The rest of the world doesn't think so. I've privately donated time and money to helping the people in Darfur through groups like amnesty international and the red cross. But why should other people, whom may have something else in mind or perhaps have a grudge, be forced to help as well? I'm not a fan of Obama's comments regarding Israel and Iran, however McCain is even more of a hawk regarding those two countries. I never said I supported Mccain, Mccain is as bad as Obama imho. | ||
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Jibba
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What a fucking douche bag. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:42 Caller wrote: payroll tax is not income tax payroll tax is social security and medicare and all those other weird taxes and for proof www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21739271/ abcnews.go.com/politics/Story?id=3638710&page=1 politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/11/11/obama-i-deserve-a-tax-increase/ Why do I even fucking bother? Under Obama's plan, income between $102,000 and $250,000 would not have the payroll tax applied. Thus, there would be no paying "payroll tax on their entire income." Oh, and the medicare tax currently doesn't have a cap on the wages that it applies to. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:46 Caller wrote: Ok, so you're essentially just an isolationist. That's shitty policy IMO.the fact that we need more troops is a sign that we're not going to be pulling out any time soon. We shouldn't be involved in other countries affairs in the first place. If the Armenians want to revolt, they can do so. They're mostly left alone anyways. Besides its not like we give Britain shit for abusing the Indians. I've privately donated time and money to helping the people in Darfur through groups like amnesty international and the red cross. But why should other people, whom may have something else in mind or perhaps have a grudge, be forced to help as well? I never said I supported Mccain, Mccain is as bad as Obama imho. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On July 27 2008 07:47 Mindcrime wrote: Why do I even fucking bother? Under Obama's plan, income between $102,000 and $250,000 would not have the payroll tax applied. Thus, there would be no paying "payroll tax on their entire income." Oh, and the medicare tax currently doesn't have a cap on the wages that it applies to. it's not that income that is affected its people that make in that bracket would not have the payroll tax affected i.e. if you make 250k+ you get slammed for 148k + whatever else you make at a 6.2% tax rate, which is what, 9/10k in taxes? people who make $250,001 would get shafted compared to people who make $249,999. | ||
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