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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
July 20 2008 22:07 GMT
#1
I'm sorry, lately I have been unable to follow the whole MBC+Tl.net attack thing and everything that happened in WWI. From what I remember, some dude here (I think Xeo), had a talk with Savior and his coach about his recent style of play. Basically what was made clear, was that Savior needed to improve his lair-play vastly, research the ling upgrade thing, and a whole lot of criticism/advice from his fans that gave me the feeling that Savior felt he got his butt-spanked by his fans and had no choice but to go back after WWI and get his ass on the chair and start working while hitting some zerg play. Also he got demoted to B-team which might strengthen his will somehow depending on how he is feeling. But my inquiry is this: Will this mean that Savior will began to show some form again? Did you guys give Savior some motivation and somehow make him assure us that he will starting working hard again? Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry). The first time I saw Savior play, I hated him but now I prefer it that he show some of his fearsome play again and I want him over Jaedong. Remember, it was Savior who won on all anti-zerg maps, not Jaedong, it was Savior who also won on these maps while having like a 70-ish percentage in nearly all matchups defeating the best players at the time on their best maps that favored their race. Of course I'm just a blind fanboy but still.

Second, I remember someone said that Savior or CJ would also participate in the Tl.net attack event but now I only see MBC+Sea/Light, why is CJ not participating? I could be wrong. Hmmmm I need to search.................

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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 20 2008 22:14 GMT
#2
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 20 2008 22:14 GMT
#3
Doesn't Jaedong have a perfect record on Katrina, which is anti-zerg? Yeah, have we ever seen 2 dominant zergs at the same time? That'd be crazy seeing how more people like matches with zerg in them. (From the other thread "what's you favorite MU to watch")
Jaedong
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
July 20 2008 22:41 GMT
#4
Maybe your hate for Jaedong will turn into love just like with Savior.
Graphics
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
July 20 2008 22:43 GMT
#5
On July 21 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Show nested quote +
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too

:D

I really, really would love to see an epic comeback by sAviOr where we just starts smashing everyone, and then finally makes it back to the finals wher he belongs and then faces Boxer in an epic down-to-the-wire set of matches. But I don't think it's going to happen. IMO sAviOr has lost his passion for winning (maybe it's been so long since he's been truly successful he forgets how it feels?) and I don';t think that "Lots of hard work" is going to fix anything. If the answer to his problem was lots of hard work then he would never have stoped being dominant, right? He would have started working his ass off even more as he started to lose more often. That being said I don't think it's completely impossible for him to come back, the only thing that will do it is a motivation from himself -not from coaches or fans- that's going to make him want to be the best again. If his team really takes off next season and starts raping, the prospect of winning will be more prominent and that might be the only thing that brings him out of his working retirement.
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
July 20 2008 22:45 GMT
#6
On July 21 2008 07:14 xenero wrote:
Doesn't Jaedong have a perfect record on Katrina, which is anti-zerg? Yeah, have we ever seen 2 dominant zergs at the same time? That'd be crazy seeing how more people like matches with zerg in them. (From the other thread "what's you favorite MU to watch")

MANDATORY SAVIOR VS JAEDONG FROM 06!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOM TV MSL S1 DURING SAVIOR'S PRIME:

The actual game:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6230357601434189275&q=Savior vs Jaedong&ei=6r-DSKzvLorq4gL1tuz6CA&hl=en
(No youtube)

FP Vod:




Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
July 20 2008 22:48 GMT
#7
hey guys

i want to be a jaedong fan and a savior fan

dont shoot me
Writerman what
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 23:04:32
July 20 2008 22:51 GMT
#8
On July 21 2008 07:43 anderoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too

:D

I really, really would love to see an epic comeback by sAviOr where we just starts smashing everyone, and then finally makes it back to the finals wher he belongs and then faces Boxer in an epic down-to-the-wire set of matches. But I don't think it's going to happen. IMO sAviOr has lost his passion for winning (maybe it's been so long since he's been truly successful he forgets how it feels?) and I don';t think that "Lots of hard work" is going to fix anything. If the answer to his problem was lots of hard work then he would never have stoped being dominant, right? He would have started working his ass off even more as he started to lose more often. That being said I don't think it's completely impossible for him to come back, the only thing that will do it is a motivation from himself -not from coaches or fans- that's going to make him want to be the best again. If his team really takes off next season and starts raping, the prospect of winning will be more prominent and that might be the only thing that brings him out of his working retirement.

Thats just absurd and silly, this is Savior's first real slump and yes he's not working hard or as productive as he should. He's only 22 or 24 (too lazy to check TLPD). Lots of players have made a comebacks such as Nada, OOv, why can't Savior? Its not like he's old or something or just crumpling away. I highly doubt its "impossible" for Savior to come back into some of his old form.

Remember the CJ coach told Tl.net that Savior was stubborn and always sticked to 3-hatch to defiler? He also stated Savior lacked lair play and Savior himself didn't know that he always forgot the ling upgrade? It does give you a hint that something is wrong with how Savior was going at that time. Trust me shit happens, but it doesn't mean it will last forever or an asteroid hit savior or something jeez. I have faith that Savior is in the beginning process of starting to become smart and changing/adapting when he makes that eventual comeback.


I have a feeling that another main problem concerning as to why Savior is not performing as well as he should is psychological. I think he still can't get over his recent losses and public performance which further hindered him down. I sense that Savior as a person feels he's in this-hole-that-he-can't-get-out-of psychology regarding his performance and his desire to fight on in the leagues. Savior needs to learn to stop being arrogant, and stop feeling that just because he lost so much that they're is no way of winning ever and and he needs to stop being such a pessimistic stooge. Ok yes, you got defeated, you got beaten, you may have lost that invincible edge that you once had but doesn't mean you have to starting being shitastic and a pussy, you have to learn to fight on man even if the world throws huge rocks at you. Do it the Nada-July style Savior, do a Nada-July adaptation despite the odds, it never hurts you and no one is going to kill you if you at least try right? Remember Savior you only become stronger and harder if you pull that off. You can't just give up everything right now, its not like the world just ended; there are still chances around the corner, don't let them slip away Savior.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 20 2008 23:07 GMT
#9
jd is so respectful its really nice, and more importantly.. really nice to see savior the way he was..
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
July 20 2008 23:22 GMT
#10
Excuse me if this is wrong, I haven't followed progaming for that long, but were NaDa/July ever on the B Team? And yeah I think we can all agree that savior's problems are psychological, but we can also agree that a psychological problem in an SC player has a huge chain reaction affect in many other aspects of their game.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2008 23:43 GMT
#11
Dunno about (Z)July but i just somehow doubt (T)NaDa was,i mean he's never really gone into a horrible saviorish? slump plus he is foxes work horse..
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
July 21 2008 00:14 GMT
#12
How can you dislike Jaedong if you like Savior? They're like student-teacher combination...if you like one, you can't hate the other
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 21 2008 00:42 GMT
#13
On July 21 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Show nested quote +
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too


that same statement forced me to give 1/5 0/5 if possible
cause jaedong is not lame, he IS the dominanting one at the moment and deserves total
respect.
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 00:49:05
July 21 2008 00:47 GMT
#14
On July 21 2008 09:42 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too


that same statement forced me to give 1/5 0/5 if possible
cause jaedong is not lame, he IS the dominanting one at the moment and deserves total
respect.

Well you obviously haven't lived through Savior's reign during his peak domination period, because compared to that, Jaedong is nearly nothing. I've already stated a reason as to why I dislike Jaedong.

Also no one answered my second question, why isn't Savior and CJ not participating in the Tl.net attack program?

Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 02:14:17
July 21 2008 02:13 GMT
#15
It is psychological. If he can overcome his current problems, he can definitely become a force to be reckoned with again in the future.


---Ranting---
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
July 21 2008 03:23 GMT
#16
On July 21 2008 11:13 Mortality wrote:
It is psychological. If he can overcome his current problems, he can definitely become a force to be reckoned with again in the future.


---Ranting---

Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 03:27:49
July 21 2008 03:25 GMT
#17
On July 21 2008 09:47 nimysa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2008 09:42 ilbh wrote:
On July 21 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
5/5, and I would give it a 6/5 if possible for this:
Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry).

Seriously, I sortof want to put that as my signature but my current one is sexy too


that same statement forced me to give 1/5 0/5 if possible
cause jaedong is not lame, he IS the dominanting one at the moment and deserves total
respect.

Well you obviously haven't lived through Savior's reign during his peak domination period, because compared to that, Jaedong is nearly nothing. I've already stated a reason as to why I dislike Jaedong.

Also no one answered my second question, why isn't Savior and CJ not participating in the Tl.net attack program?



Yes Savior's has had a longer domination period but who can blame Jaedong since Savior has been playing longer

You've already stated a reason why you dislike Jaedong? I don't think so. The only thing you said is "Because I want Savior to come back, and I prefer him over the fake-zerg king lame-ass cheapshit Jaedong (sorry)." and thats not a reason, reason = justifies and explains a statement

I also like Savior and I want him to do well but at this point, there is no doubt that the TL community + Pro Starcraft world believes Jaedong is the best Zerg out there at the moment. Savior is godly but he's slumping right now.

I wouldn't label JD's accomplishments as "nothing"
Imagine playing all these past-accomplished famous players like Boxer, Savior, Nada, July, Bisu, (list goes on and on) and winning (most recently)

Jaedong is the only Zerg left in most of the tournaments right now. He's the hope of zerg in a Terran dominating era. Your logic is seriously flawed

And besides, Jaedong appreciates Savior. I saw one game where JD politely bowed to Savior after losing a game to Savior (out of respect)

Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
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