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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 23 2008 19:56 GMT
#21
well im fucked
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 23 2008 19:57 GMT
#22
On June 24 2008 04:51 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 04:34 Chill wrote:
On June 24 2008 04:17 fusionsdf wrote:
why don't you just not release how its done, and study the reps for tournaments.

That way hackers will still get caught, but have no idea how


WAIT

WAIT

WAIT

How about he picks a date to release the source for the hack detection? But until that date he just releases who he caught, not how they were caught. It's brilliant.


yeah

and why not just never release the method excpet to trusted tournament admins

that way the hackers never know the method used, and it isnt useless come january 2nd


because those select few could abuse their power! with great power comes great responsibility. someone send flag some spider-man dvd's and everything will be okay
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
svenneburner
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden64 Posts
June 23 2008 20:02 GMT
#23
Finally we might get some more of those hackers ! Good FLAG!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
June 23 2008 20:10 GMT
#24
Can someone ship this man the recent Spades reps please? I'm sitting at work waiting for the official word.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 23 2008 20:11 GMT
#25
flag's icon should be a photon cannon or something. A detector, which kills them too! Thanks so much flag!!
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Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
June 23 2008 20:14 GMT
#26
Nice!
Flag's gotta be on ever hackers hitlist. :D
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
June 23 2008 20:18 GMT
#27
That's freaking awesome.
Super serious.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
June 23 2008 20:19 GMT
#28
On June 24 2008 04:34 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 04:17 fusionsdf wrote:
why don't you just not release how its done, and study the reps for tournaments.

That way hackers will still get caught, but have no idea how


WAIT

WAIT

WAIT

How about he picks a date to release the source for the hack detection? But until that date he just releases who he caught, not how they were caught. It's brilliant.


OMG why didn't somebody think of this sooner!!!
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 20:22:08
June 23 2008 20:20 GMT
#29
On June 24 2008 05:11 Superiorwolf wrote:
flag's icon should be a photon cannon or something. A detector, which kills them too! Thanks so much flag!!


That's a pretty good idea.

@Flag: can you estimate how easily they'll be able to patch once your new method is released?
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
June 23 2008 20:49 GMT
#30
Usually the replay based dectections are easily fixed. Most methods only work when the user enables the wrong hacks(automine, autobuild, minhack etc). The remaining traces are usually due to some bug(buggy safeclicks like the last bug flag found) or designerror(no safeclick support at all...) in a hack.
The first kind is usually not fixed, but can be disabled in the config. Thus it is easier to catch a random public player who has them enabled than it is to catch a ladder player who has safemode enabled. But from time to time even the supposedly safe features leave traces in the replay which flag the finds
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EnergyTraction
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada233 Posts
June 23 2008 21:03 GMT
#31
If you're going to analyze the WCG USA replays, then analyze all of them, not just the suspected hackers
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flag
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States228 Posts
June 23 2008 21:03 GMT
#32
On June 24 2008 04:05 Yank31 wrote:
I think hacker is a big name.

I mean, do these people encode anything? probably not.

Cheater is fine.

I agree, to me hacker means hacking something which implies skill, but running a bw hack that someone else wrote doesn't take any. It is just convention though to call them that.

On June 24 2008 04:07 Chill wrote:
He probably just forgot to respond. He told me about this and I was supposed to give you the WCG USA Spades replays so you can confirm once again that he's a faggot, but I forgot.

On June 24 2008 04:09 NonY[rC] wrote:
i'm working on collecting some reps from wcg usa

Alright send me replays when you're ready. One thing though, did these people actually win anything or place well in tournament? It would be best to only check winners, because by announcing who hacks and who doesn't, hackers could start to piece together which hacks are detectable and which aren't, if there are any. I wouldn't mind checking one for others but results should be kept in closed circle.

On June 24 2008 04:51 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 04:34 Chill wrote:
On June 24 2008 04:17 fusionsdf wrote:
why don't you just not release how its done, and study the reps for tournaments.

That way hackers will still get caught, but have no idea how


WAIT

WAIT

WAIT

How about he picks a date to release the source for the hack detection? But until that date he just releases who he caught, not how they were caught. It's brilliant.


yeah

and why not just never release the method excpet to trusted tournament admins

that way the hackers never know the method used, and it isnt useless come january 2nd

Suppose your favorite player got caught, banned etc, and you just had to take my word for it. You'd be pretty pissed off, thinking I'm a liar, have an agenda, or just made a mistake. At least this way you'll know that any wrong will eventually be righted. It's the same reason people want a concrete date that we will be out of Iraq by even though it would be better to just get out as soon and efficiently as possible how ever long that takes. Also this way people can check on their own over replays, I can't easily check all replays that are out there.

On June 24 2008 05:20 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2008 05:11 Superiorwolf wrote:
flag's icon should be a photon cannon or something. A detector, which kills them too! Thanks so much flag!!


That's a pretty good idea.

@Flag: can you estimate how easily they'll be able to patch once your new method is released?

It would be pretty easy for them I think.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
June 23 2008 21:04 GMT
#33
Looking forward to when the catch is brought home.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 23 2008 21:04 GMT
#34
your my hero
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6778 Posts
June 23 2008 21:05 GMT
#35
Hahah sweet
After your last method I was thinking the probability of catching hackers would now be a lot lower than before, but here you surprise us yet again!

I hope it works well. Good job!
Graphics
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-23 21:28:11
June 23 2008 21:25 GMT
#36
On June 24 2008 05:11 Superiorwolf wrote:
flag's icon should be a photon cannon or something. A detector, which kills them too! Thanks so much flag!!


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Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
June 23 2008 21:37 GMT
#37
Nice one Flag. Hunt those fuckers down!
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
June 23 2008 21:39 GMT
#38
lol god flag owns
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ProTech_MediC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States498 Posts
June 23 2008 21:47 GMT
#39
Flag, congratulations on discovering a new method.

You should get some people who are familiar with server-side coding (ASP, PHP, JSP, .NET, etc) to help you write a web-based application to check for the hacks. I'm assuming that your new method can be determined mathematically? By setting up a web page where a user can upload the replay, you can keep the source safe, while allowing everyone in the community to use your findings.

If any part of this does not make sense, let me know.
MC Fighting!~
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 23 2008 22:47 GMT
#40
Just wait till TSL2 ends in my opinion. (when btw?) ^^

Waiting too much could also be bad because know that they know that there is some catching it. They will prolly try to find holes and eventually find it, and fix it, before we can benefit too much.

Anyway great job flag, keep it up
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