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Energies
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G5
United States2921 Posts
On June 08 2008 10:44 DTF-ZeRo wrote: You can't get BIO combustible for everyone. The amount produced now led to a food crysis in poorer regions. If you want to support everyone with it that would take up way to much space. I don't think its the solution. We need something new like hydrogen. In germany its around $9 right now, rising fast. And @ G5, lol  USA has 6 times the amount of people england has, and is 75 times as big. maybe it was 1/4th the amount of people in usa than england i dont really fucken remember it was 2 years ago | ||
micronesia
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
On June 08 2008 10:44 DTF-ZeRo wrote: You can't get BIO combustible for everyone. The amount produced now led to a food crysis in poorer regions. If you want to support everyone with it that would take up way to much space. I don't think its the solution. countries like brazil and usa can produce a lot of BIO combustible and it wont retain any space related to food production. that is why brazilian president is fighting against europeans, but i wont argue anymore, just believe in what you want. i dont want to start any useless discussion | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On June 08 2008 11:55 ilbh wrote: countries like brazil and usa can produce a lot of BIO combustible and it wont retain any space related to food production. that is why brazilian president is fighting against europeans, but i wont argue anymore, just believe in what you want. i dont want to start any useless discussion According to the ONU, by 2030 the world would need to increase their food production by 50%. Brazil can produce BIo combustible and feed their own people while doing so. Same with USA, Argentina, Australia, etc. But how many countries can do that? Loads of countries need to import energy, loads need to imporn food. Some even need both. So your argument falls short when countries like ours are feeding the rest of the world. Every m^2 that these countries select for oil production means less food for the rest of the world. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0323/p01s01-sten.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/29/AR2008042903092.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102555.html Stop Supporting Fucking Biofuel. And it is negatively affecting agriculture, even in the countries that can sustain it like the US and Brazil. Corn is being overplanted (bad for soil) which means less land is going towards other crops, driving their prices up. Then livestock owners are getting screwed by the increase in corn price so their prices rise as well. The biofuel industry is not driven by science or reason. | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
Europeans need to pay a lot more for our food(and water, we export the water necessary to produce the food - which is a lot). BIO combustibles gonna help. Because our farmers will have options (food or bio combustibles) so they will choose what benefits them more. maybe europeans/americans gonna stop the "economics incentives"(dunno the correct translation) to his farmers... So poor countries will be able to compete with them... It gonna help everyone. Until there brazil, argentina, india and other countries should do a "cartel"(dunno the correct word) just like OPEP to keep the prices high. | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On June 08 2008 12:52 Jibba wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/science/earth/08wbiofuels.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0323/p01s01-sten.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/29/AR2008042903092.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1725975,00.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102555.html Stop Supporting Fucking Biofuel. And it is negatively affecting agriculture, even in the countries that can sustain it like the US and Brazil. Corn is being overplanted (bad for soil) which means less land is going towards other crops, driving their prices up. Then livestock owners are getting screwed by the increase in corn price so their prices rise as well. The biofuel industry is not driven by science or reason. using subsidies to make corn competitive as a bio combustible is dumb as fuck. Founding negative articles about new types of energies is easy as fuck too | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
to Buy a Hummer + Show Spoiler + YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
i dont want to start any useless discussion, so please dont quote me | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 08 2008 13:27 mcmascote wrote: using subsidies to make corn competitive as a bio combustible is dumb as fuck. Founding negative articles about new types of energies is easy as fuck too These aren't silly blogs or editorials. University researchers think the carbon footprint left from switching to biofuels within 30 years will be much greater than if we just continue to use oil. It's simply not a good alternative. "believe in what you want." Ok, well I suggest people believe in the Washington Post and New York Times over random TL posters. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 08 2008 11:36 G5 wrote: maybe it was 1/4th the amount of people in usa than england i dont really fucken remember it was 2 years ago It's a much higher population density, it seems like there's more people  | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On June 08 2008 14:34 FragKrag wrote: Haha, Costco is so fucking gosu. $4.14 a gallon. Ahh... Costco is always 10-15 cents less than surrounding gas areas :D | ||
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kpcrew
Korea (South)1071 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 08 2008 08:47 8882 wrote: According to my calculation, gasoline will cost around $8 per galon in Poland. It has been ~$6 or more for quite a long time. I wonder, how does the eurozone manage to develop, when nearly everything is more expensive than in the USA. When the US citizens complain about $4 per gallon, I begin to wonder, why do we pay such high taxes and what do our governments do with all the money. How much is it in other countries? Germany? France? Italy? GB? If my calculations are right, it's ~$9 per gallon in Germany.. Why do you pay such high taxes? How do you think your countries can afford to subsidize/partially subsidize health care and things of that nature? We pay a lot less in taxes. Part of the cost of gasoline is that there are only so many refineries in the world that are up to the standards of USA/Europe/Japan. Four of the biggest ones are in the USA; I don't know how many are located in and around Europe. If there aren't enough, then refined oil would have to be shipped back to Europe from the USA. Part of it is that a lot of wealthy investors have parked their money in oil futures, which has jacked up oil prices by creating an artificial demand. Probably the reason they are doing this is to bail out of real estate. In the past, investors would make "risk free" transactions by treating real estate as a commodity. In other words, so long as the value of real estate would continue to increase, a the transaction would be almost certain to turn a profit. ...But this caused a bubble in the real estate market, and when that bubble burst a lot of investors found themselves losing money really fast. So they asked themselves, "what other safe commodities are there to invest in?" No alternative fuel source has come along yet that is as efficient or effective as oil. Even this E-83 ethanol shit the media keeps touting -- the amount of energy needed to produce it is almost exactly the same as it gives in return, so this means that more oil burning powerplants will use more energy in order to produce the E-83. The difference between the enivornmental movement 30 years ago and the environmental movement today is that the corporations have figured out how to turn a profit from it (hence why it hasn't taken off in America -- who flips the bill? Tax payers, not corporations, not wealthy investors, which is something most people have yet to grasp). But I digress. The point is that no matter what happens, demand for oil will continue increasing for AT LEAST 10 more years. So in order to make "risk free" deals, oil is the thing to use, but this creates an artificial demand for it, just like how real estate became over priced 2-3 years ago. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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