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Yeah I tried to use some immense system of doom and it failed 
I started at 50, got to 90 quid, then plummeted to 0. Fuckin' sucks. Thank god I have at least a shred of sense to get the fuck outta there, not before writing indignant hat-email at the site. Twice in a row I got 7 black numbers consecutively in roulette
Anyone ever played on a casino site that wasn't stupidly obviously rigged?
It seems that they are used to chimpanzees wearing nappies playing their games as that's the only way they should legally be allowed to rig games like that.
Anyway- life lesson learned = casinos hax.
Now i expect a bunch of replies involving 'kid' 'stupid', and 'not all chimpanzees are as dumb as you'. And now i doubly expect it cos i just mentioned it. argh!
 
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i cried for the monkey in you
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On March 14 2008 21:25 Resonate wrote:
i cried for the monkey in you
hohoho rofl
gambling is bad
unless you're rek
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Well, I am up 125$ in 25$ red/black spins  Of course they are rigged, how on earth wouldn't they when e.g. the casino software in my poker lobby doesn't take any sort of rake that you may expect in a live casino...I don't think they are satistfied with the minor edge of probability to make profit.
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erm don't play roullette if you want to win.
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United States44311 Posts
Oh man. Both maths and logic dictate you will lose.
Firstly, roulette is mathematically balanced against you. It is not rigged (probably), it doesn't need to be. They will win your money anyway. Don't play roulette if you want to win. It's that simple.
Secondly, when will you stop. People don't know when they are about to lose so they keep going. Which means the gambling continues until you reach infinite money or 0, whichever happens first. And logic dictates that you'll go bust first.
So no, don't play roulette. This much should be obvious.
Go play poker, there is at least skill involved there.
And you didn't lose £50, you burnt it.
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On March 14 2008 21:46 Essence wrote:Well, I am up 125$ in 25$ red/black spins Of course they are rigged, how on earth wouldn't they when e.g. the casino software in my poker lobby doesn't take any sort of rake that you may expect in a live casino...I don't think they are satistfied with the minor edge of probability to make profit.
Of course they are satisfied with the minor edge. You can shear a sheep a hundred times but only skin it once. They'll take the tiny bit of EV every time you take a spin and be happy for it. Scamming you stops you coming back. The rake isn't an issue when their overheads are negligible.
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Well Kwark the thing is that I played this system on several free roulette games and it always came off winning, it sucks . I don't think I am a fool for gambling, I am a fool for thinking the site (victorchandler.com) would be even close to fair.
The system is just you bet 1 quid on a colour, if you get the colour switch to the other colour and bet a quid. If you don't, then double your bet. You are always winning one pound, the maths support it, don't they? If you have enough money to go 100 doubles on the sum being bet, it should be nigh on impossible to lose, shouldn't it?
From the spins that i was getting, i was looking at about 1/4 of the time MY colour actually coming up!
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On March 14 2008 21:47 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Tsunade anyone?
not everyones nick is naruto
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roulette is worst i guess
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The free roulette game is probably rigged in your favor to fool you into thinking you can win money with gambling. I hope you learned your lesson for being an idiot but I kinda doubt it. You should watch out because it can be addicting for certain people and destroy your life.
The system is just you bet 1 quid on a colour, if you get the colour switch to the other colour and bet a quid. If you don't, then double your bet. You are always winning one pound, the maths support it, don't they? If you have enough money to go 100 doubles on the sum being bet, it should be nigh on impossible to lose, shouldn't it?
There is no system in which you win at roulette, stop fooling yourself.
If you want to make money gambling the only way is to play against other people in a game that takes an amount of skill, provided that you have the skill and qualities it takes.
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On March 14 2008 22:15 HamerD wrote:Well Kwark the thing is that I played this system on several free roulette games and it always came off winning, it sucks . I don't think I am a fool for gambling, I am a fool for thinking the site (victorchandler.com) would be even close to fair. The system is just you bet 1 quid on a colour, if you get the colour switch to the other colour and bet a quid. If you don't, then double your bet. You are always winning one pound, the maths support it, don't they? If you have enough money to go 100 doubles on the sum being bet, it should be nigh on impossible to lose, shouldn't it? From the spins that i was getting, i was looking at about 1/4 of the time MY colour actually coming up!
I know the system. It doesn't change your EV (expected value) which is still around 0.95 your money back. It just polarises it. It means you win 19 times and lose everything the 20th. There is no system by which you win at roulette. To do so is mathematically impossible. Do you think you invented that system? If it worked people would live in casinos. And lol, VC is a reputable site. I've played poker there, as have a lot of other people on lp, without any problem.
Polarising the odds so your winnings are low (like 1/100th of what they would be if you put everything on red) but your chance of losing is low (like 1/100th of what it would be if you put everything on red) doesn't change the odds at all. It just polarises it. Instead of doubling up 49.9% of the time and losing 50.1% of the time you make a much smaller win but have a much smaller chance of losing. However the proportion has not changed.
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Erm, lets put this more simply.
Everything on red is when you put £50 on a coinflip then half the time you win 50 and half the time you lose 50.
Your system is when you put £50 on a 10 sided dice where 9/10 times you win 5.5 and 1/10 you lose 50.
It is mathematically the same, but more polarised. This system creates the illusion of winning (because your winchance is more like 99/100) so you rack up a lot of money before it finally happens and you lose everything.
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Oh, I suggest you email VCPoker with an apology and explain that you were just pissed off that you didn't understand statistics. I imagine their staff get a lot of shit from people like you and they don't deserve it.
In future just apply logic (ie would casinos offer me a game I can beat) before gambling. If you come up with a system you think can work find someone with a knowledge of statistics and run it by them before concluding that you're a genius and can win infinite money.
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in roullette, the chance of getting black or red isn't 50/50. don't forget the 0. just one example of how roullette in engineered to make you lose.
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Oh, and I love that you concluded it was rigged. Chance of 7 same colour numbers in a row is 1 in 64 and I bet you played far more than 64 spins. I just keep reading your blog over and over because each time you claim it's rigged it tickles me a little inside. Definitely a 5 from me.
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On March 14 2008 22:48 distant_voice wrote:
in roullette, the chance of getting black or red isn't 50/50. don't forget the 0. just one example of how roullette in engineered to make you lose.
I was giving a basic example so he could understand that by lowering the win amount and lowering the chance of losing at the same time he didn't actually change the odds. But yes, it's the 0 that makes it unfair. The 0 that bends the odds that little bit against you.
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Ew, why roulette online? Stick to BJ/Poker?
Hell, I don't even like roulette in a casino. I like to have at least SOME impact on my chances of winning.
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ah. Yet again I am defeated by mathematical short-sightedness. I thought there was something askew  .
I'll stay away, I'll stay away. Can't imagine when I'm going to be earning 40 quid p/h again though!
btw I do understand the mathematics, kwark, just because I don't have a particular affinity for it and number crunching doesn't mean I am actually a dunce ¬¬, you don't have to be condescending
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United States44311 Posts
In fact, I'll work it out for you.
You have £50 but we'll assume you have £64 for the purposes of this argument. So we're giving you more backup cash to keep trying to win it back.
Your first bet (ie the amount you always win) is £1.
The chance of you losing 7 times in a row is 1/64.
So, you do it and you win £1. You do it again and you win £1.
You do it 64 times and you win £63 and you lose £64.
You run up a lot of small wins in the time it takes before you get that epic 7 wrong in a row. Because it's unlikely it happens first time. But those small wins will not be greater than the amount you lose.
And dude, 6 rebuys is not enough. If you're going to use a system you should have like 20. I mean come on. You could have worked out how many wins you would have before it all went bad yourself. You really thought 64 spins would be enough? Now having enough money to back up 20 or so spins. That gives you nearly 1/1,000,000 odds of losing. Of course it changes nothing in terms of probability, you're still going to lose. But it usually gives you a year or two before you do.
System, lol.
Edit for saving my 3000th post. I don't have to be condescending but I enjoy it. And given your rant about how rigged it was I feel I can justify it.
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lol my friend lost £60 the other week from doing the exact same thing.
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Remember, the house always owns you.
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Calgary26003 Posts
Why would you play against the house online? Makes no sense.
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LOL AT YOUR SYSTEM, also dont play poker you'll definitely "realize" its rigged after 1 bad beat anyways, just play starcraft and complain about the H4X0RZ there.
*edit* okay im done being sarcastic/mean sorry about that:-D
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Belgium8305 Posts
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lol. Yeah well i expected some stick . It hit me pretty hard but i'll get back up and life lesson learned. And yeah kwark, i consider myself to be pretty intelligent, but at the same time equally foolish and short-sighted . I need someone like you in my armoire so that when i have an issue like this i can open it and have you laugh at me for half an hour.
btw this wasn't 'my system' lol!
I actually really appreciate the time you took to explain that to me, although I understood it the first time because like I said I'm not dumb  .
lol @ the guy above me. You really liked this huh.
:r
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United States44311 Posts
No real harm done. And I'm glad you're being a good sport about it now .
If you want I'll introduce you to poker. I have this great system.....
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On March 14 2008 21:47 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Tsunade anyone?
i hate knowing what you are talking about
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On March 14 2008 21:52 Kwark wrote:
Secondly, when will you stop. People don't know when they are about to lose so they keep going. Which means the gambling continues until you reach infinite money or 0, whichever happens first. And logic dictates that you'll go bust first.
My roflcopter took off when I read that.
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You CAN make money out of roulette as long as you find a "suitable" casino.
Me and a group of friends found a casino whose minimum bet on roulette was £1 (minimum betting on numbers was lower but we never touched the numbers). All we did was play on black or reds. And in any case we lost our bet we just doubled it. So it worked out:
1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128 (£128 was our maximum as we were students
So that's 8 chances that red for example wouldnt come up. Needless to say that didnt happen and we made hundreds and hundreds of pounds each.
Disadvantage: It took about 5 hours to get like £100. And £100 means 100 bets.
The casino figured what we were doing and after a few weeks it raised the minimum bet to £5. We stopped after that.
Also: I would never ever bet on online roulette as there is no croupier and that works against you.
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On March 14 2008 23:54 Chill wrote:
Why would you play against the house online? Makes no sense.
Haha that is what I was thinking. Online casinos shouldn't be bothered. At least in a real casino you can watch the house rob you of your money, with no thoughts of they may be rigging.
Roulette is a pretty bad game to play anyways. It's solely based on luck. There isn't much you can do to help increase your odds of winning. I play it all the time myself, due to the fact that I just really enjoy playing it for some bizarre reason.
So if you want to win, learn to card count in Black Jack. Or get good at poker.
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On March 15 2008 01:22 Psychobabas wrote:You CAN make money out of roulette as long as you find a "suitable" casino. Me and a group of friends found a casino whose minimum bet on roulette was £1 (minimum betting on numbers was lower but we never touched the numbers). All we did was play on black or reds. And in any case we lost our bet we just doubled it. So it worked out: 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128 (£128 was our maximum as we were students So that's 8 chances that red for example wouldnt come up. Needless to say that didnt happen and we made hundreds and hundreds of pounds each. Disadvantage: It took about 5 hours to get like £100. And £100 means 100 bets. The casino figured what we were doing and after a few weeks it raised the minimum bet to £5. We stopped after that. Also: I would never ever bet on online roulette as there is no croupier and that works against you.
This is the exact same system he used, the one we disproved several times over. This doesn't in any way improve your odds. It improves the liklihood of you making money but vastly decreases the amount you make. And you are still likely to lose all your money over 130 spins.
You can make money playing roulette. In fact, 49% chance of the time you will. That doesn't make it a clever investment.
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what the fuck is "roulette"?
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Sorry I didnt read your post Kwark.
I agree with you. As long as you have a big enough capital you can make money as you say but it takes ages and its definately not a clever investment per bet. But overall it was effective.
We were 4 people that made around £1,500 altogether with this system in about 2 weeks. But it was like a full-time job in terms of time consumed (1,500 bets no joke, little wonder they noticed us). Only once I remember we had like £500 on a color (from £128 x 4) but we were lucky I suppose.
But I still point out that you need a croupier for this to be more effective.
Good memories from my undergraduate days in winter 2000 I've never bet a single pound ever since.
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