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Jubinell
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
333 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-28 02:55:09
December 27 2021 02:23 GMT
#1
Just saw Matrix 4 over the weekends. I am a big fan of Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss and had high hopes for this movie. If you haven't seen the movie please stop reading to avoid spoilers.

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Overall Feeling:

I can describe Matrix Resurrections in one word - Mid-life crisis. Like a middle-aged man trying to recapture the magic of his youth, by adding all the paraphernalia of youth. You don't look cool or bold or attractive. You just look pathetic.

The first movie was a masterpiece. It was sure of itself. It trusted the intelligence of the audience. It did not explain itself. To me, it was not just an action movie. It was a masterclass in nuance and use of metaphors. Every person in the audience felt like they were being let in on a secret. It spoke different things to different people.

This movie had every element of that movie except its spirit. It felt like a Ferrari fitted with a Toyota engine. Once it starts moving, you cannot help but notice the difference.

I am disappointed.

Now down to the specifics:

1. The opening scene was cheap.
The opening scene would be the most important aspect of a movie, particularly a sequel (or reboot), and Matrix 4 did a poor job. I get it that Lana Wachowski is trying to link up with the first Matrix. But the actress that was replicating Trinity did not have the same presence. The mid-scene humor between Bugs and the 3 agents felt forced. And the revelation that agent Smith was the new Morpheus left me pulling my hair, which leads to the second point.

2. The plot was too convoluted, disjointed and unbelievable.
OK so 60 years have passed between Neo's supposed death and present times. Somehow Neo hasn't aged. I may accept that. But Trinity hasn't either, while Niobe became an old woman while the old Morpheus died. Speaking of whom, I was surprised to find out that the only reason why Laurence Fishburne was not playing Morpheus in the 4th movie was simply because the Wachowskis didn't want him to do, especially when the actor was still active in Hollywood and had a keen interest in the series. And oh yeah, what is a modal [sic]?? It's supposed to be "a simulation designed to evolve programs." However, if this modal was written by Neo in his fake video game, why all of the real agents are in it?? As for the old Agent Smith who reincarnated to be Neo's video game boss, uh, why did the machines have to revive HIM?? To top it all, now Trinity can fly à la Captain Marvel, with Neo as her side-kick. No comments on that. Be sure to check out the post-credits scene, another empty, thoughtless scene.

3. The kungfu was terrible
This is the biggest letdown. While the first matrix 20 years ago revolutionized the action genre with its amazing stage combat and bullet-dodging techniques, the 4th installment didn't go past that. Neo felt too old to be doing kungfu and I swear to God in some scenes, I was afraid his hip bones might crack (in real life) due to the strenuous activities. Lana Wachowski probably had the some idea in mind, cuz she introduced a concept called "Bullet Time". Yeah, basically it's just slow-mo for everybody except the villain "The Analyst". This saves Neo the trouble of having to dodge bullets all the time.

4. Are you trying to raise theater attendance by including as many countries as possible??
First of all the inclusion of the Japanese shinkansen had no purpose whatsoever in the movie. It was just a "bridge" that allowed Bugs to drag Neo from his office' rooftop to the extraction location. The re-appearance of the French Merovingian and his Japanese swordsmen also felt forced. Why the heck do they feel a grudge against Neo? If it wasn't for him, the old Smith would have cloned himself into every single one of them. And the Indian Priyanka Chopra was in it just for the laughs. Her acting was subpar and her influence to the overall plot was minimal (see point 2 above)

Which brings us to the last point:

5. The music was acceptable.
Johnny Klimek and Tom Tykwer replaced Don Davis to score the soundtrack of Matrix 4. I would say their orchestral work was so-so. However, the song "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane was superb. "White Rabbit" was not only in reference to the Alice's Adventures in Wonderland elements that The Matrix had previously used and which "White Rabbit" is based on, but also a nod to Jefferson Airplane themselves which was formed as a house band for a music club called "The Matrix" in San Francisco. I covered the song "White Rabbit" on the piano, mashing it up with another Matrix favorite, "Clubbed to Death" by Rob Dougan.






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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
December 28 2021 05:31 GMT
#2
If, as David Foster Wallace opined, the culture of the 2000s and early 2010s was mired in a crisis of insincerity, the late 2010s to present seems to be in a crisis of referentialism(?).
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria836 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-28 22:17:51
December 28 2021 22:10 GMT
#3
Personal opinion, I'll use spoilers:
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I didn't like the film and I'm even tolerant of Matrix 2 and 3, so you may guess how bad Matrix 4 has to be if my tolerance isn't enough here. Now why I don't like it:
- Hugo Weaving is missing (Agent Smith)
- New Smith actor didn't have the same vibe, he didn't even have an active enough role even
- Matrix 4 was created for the wrong reasons (tackling grief by Wachowskis)
- Neo somehow cannot fly anymore and isn't the One anymore, please explain why not?
- Neo didn't do much hand combat and this long hair & beard (yeah, subjective but he'll be alright after 1-2 months, he'll regain them quickly after that)
- There weren't many philosophical topics like other Matrix films. If they wanted a topic, at the time of NSA scandal was a good time.
- Actors are now old... Matrix 4 should have happened at least 10-15 years ago if they wanted the same vibe
- I rewatched Matrix 1, 2 and 3 before Matrix 4. Matrix 1 explains that machines vs humans war is due to AI. So how come are machines and humans friends in Matrix 4? Really needs some explanation here, things don't line up.
- Where is the Oracle? An iconic character... Given explanation in film isn't even complete. Oh, well, it is the purge? Really? If the Architect is the father of the Matrix, the Oracle is its mother. So.. it doesn't make sense for one of them to be missing.
- Also, actual Laurence Fishburne (Morpheus) please.
- Matrix 4 is open ended but Wachowskis say they don't expect to do Matrix 5? It makes no sense to switch Trinity & Neo superhero roles and not to have a plan after that...


Film isn't worth going to cinema. If you're bored, I suggest watching it at home.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 29 2021 04:06 GMT
#4
I saw a trailer for it last time I went to the movie theaters and planned to watch it. Heard the ratings were so-so at best, though. I suppose I’ll post about it if I get around to it within the next few days or so.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
December 29 2021 15:13 GMT
#5
I had zero intention of seeing this, but was guilted into going with a good old friend visiting from out of country. I made it about 45 minutes before going for a permanent bathroom break.
On a more positive note, I did see the French Dispatch later that night, it was great. ^_^
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
t2azor
Profile Joined April 2017
32 Posts
December 30 2021 01:28 GMT
#6
so fuckin awful i wish i had quit after 20min instead of watching the whole thing
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria836 Posts
December 30 2021 03:00 GMT
#7
Another view: https://screenrant.com/matrix-4-resurrections-warner-bros-joke-meta-response/
Still it doesn't make the film any better
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
December 31 2021 02:22 GMT
#8
i think it would have been better with less meta and flashbacks. Maybe change the story around a bit to focus on the new people because i cant even remember their names. I actually found the zion/io stuff somewhat interesting and i always thought that was the worst stuff from matrix 2 and 3.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 01 2022 01:49 GMT
#9
I didn’t like it. Neat concept, but too self-referential and didn’t offer enough that was new or interesting. Feels like one of those movies that didn’t need to happen.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
January 03 2022 04:24 GMT
#10
On December 31 2021 11:22 iamperfection wrote:
i think it would have been better with less meta and flashbacks. Maybe change the story around a bit to focus on the new people because i cant even remember their names. I actually found the zion/io stuff somewhat interesting and i always thought that was the worst stuff from matrix 2 and 3.

I'm in agreement here. Had they done something similar to this, and had competent action and photography I think it would have easily been the best sequel, and a good companion piece to the original. Sure the first two sequels were bloated messes, but they at least looked like actual movies. This one felt like a mediocre TV series somehow got a 200 million dollar budget for the series finale.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
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