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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 22 2007 02:25 GMT
#21
these are just little stuff you do to be a good person. You'll face real tests of your morals that are harder than paying your friends back their money.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 22 2007 02:28 GMT
#22
and your friends not paying you back and customers stealing stuff doesn't have anything to do with your upkeeping of basic adult responsibilities. The solution to those problems might be forcing your friends to pay you back and get tighter security, and not don't ever lend money again and start stealing yourself.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-22 02:37:43
August 22 2007 02:35 GMT
#23
Big thanks to everyone's comments; I appreciate each reply in earnest.

To minus_human:

In regards to whether or not I am as virtuous as you have expected, I will not claim that I certainly am. Yes, I do try to live as morally upright as I can, but as a human being, I'm sure that even what I've written in my OP is biased or somehow skewed. I can honestly claim, however, that I don't followed the "eye for an eye" doctrine. I do not take what's mine even if others take my own possessions, for example, and I always mind any actions I take that would disturb my conscience.

How religious am I?

If you were to hang around me these days, you would think I'm just a normal American guy, working to make a living. I don't exactly try hard to show my religious side, although I do believe in God, and in Jesus Christ as my savior. To sum up an otherwise epic story of my life, I've had experiences that gave root to a firm belief in an all powerful and all knowing being. Also, I did grow up in a Christian/conservative environment which probably contributed to shaping who I am today. I might post an entry in my blog sometime in the future regarding details, but to put it short, yes I am a believer in God.
Pseudo_Utopia
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada827 Posts
August 22 2007 04:23 GMT
#24
Keep up the good stuff man, we need as many people like you as we can.

As for your troubles, I actually think it's immoral if you're too lenient with people. Of course you probably can't make them become more conscientious of people around them (anyways that's a different story) but you can certainly give them "extrinsic" motivations to be better borrowers, for example. What I mean by this is that you should punish them softly for not paying back (e.g. say "if you don't pay this back, I will not lend money to you next time"). I know it's hard when you care about people and are sensitive to their needs, and they come to you with a desperate look on their face and all that, but if you don't punish them for acting badly they will probably never change their behavior.

Same thing with the stealing, get somewhat tighter security.

If you're like me, punishing people for devious actions will not please you. On a gut-level you'll probably prefer to give them what they want because if not they will make you feel guilty. But you have to stand firm and show them your compassion has limits (like a parent who loves his child but also knows that he must discipline his child or else he won't learn properly).
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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
August 22 2007 06:09 GMT
#25
iloveilovezil

keep it up & don't get downnn :}
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str
Profile Joined July 2007
Bulgaria192 Posts
August 22 2007 06:19 GMT
#26
what kind of friends do u all have? mine always pay me back and of course i always pay them back...and if not ...well theres a good chance we wont be good friends for much longer. dunno maybe its a thing with bulgarians (me obviously being one) but in our country people that dont return debts are not regarded as good people.

my 2 cents
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dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1153 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-22 06:54:32
August 22 2007 06:54 GMT
#27
the world needs people like you to keep it from falling apart. haha obviously an exaggeration, but people like you remind me that the virtuous, softer side of humanity is still alive in these times of self-interest and profit.
"I couldn't stop myself from having unreal macro and sick timing senses."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20169 Posts
August 30 2007 02:44 GMT
#28
well nobody could steal from wawa...they are amazing. i wish i had one.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
August 30 2007 06:29 GMT
#29
On August 22 2007 06:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm not religious at all, but Matthew 6:1-4 is still inspiring:

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

Excellent verse.

In other words, if there is no God, you're a sucker. ^^
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-30 07:10:37
August 30 2007 07:06 GMT
#30
your OP reminded me of an old Sufi story that though it touches another issue it is one aspect related..

A thief entered the house of a Sufi, and found nothing there. As he was leaving, the Sufi saw the thief’s disappointment and thus threw him the blanket in which he was sleeping, so that he would not go away empty-handed.

was the Sufi just naive and stupid? or was he wise and noble?

You claim that are your morals are stupid.. but are they really stupid? I think not. Anyway,
minus_human put it best.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-30 12:09:38
August 30 2007 11:59 GMT
#31
Dunno, I've read the replies in this thread and they seem somewhat wrong to me. I think you are in danger of falling in a trap. Watched Dogville? You can be a righteous person, but there's a trick there that if you assume yourself being "righteous among the wrong", you're falling into the greatest sin - arrogance. As soon as you start the "omg, I don't steal and I don't kill and hit people, but life is so hard that way" drama, you somehow try to elevate yourself over the cruel unjust world and claim to be somehow better than other people. Sit down and answer yourself why you are doing all this? "Because it's the right thing" is not a satisfactory answer. Right or wrong shift like desert sands every day you live and every place you go. Try to find another valid reason. I've found a logical reasoning for myself some time ago and could try to explain it here.

Essentially, a set of rules concerning "what should be done" and "what shouldn't" can define a man's behavior in almost any situation. The point is that a man that has that set of rules is stronger than a man who doesn't. Strictly defines priorities make a man ten times stronger, because he doesn't take time to doubt. It's much like SC and IntoTheRainbow - what do you do when your reaver tech is spotted and terran turrets up and positions his tanks? Right, you load a shuttle and fly in to kill. Rainbow has done that and the reason he's been so successful is simple - confidence. He's doing it no matter what and that is the sole fact that makes him strong. He has his priorities set. Now, going back to the topic, a set of priorities involving "do not steal", "do not kill" and (for me) "survival, whether my own or that of my relatives/close friends overrides all rules" is being chosen in cold blood just for the reason it's the one most compartible with life. Steal and get jailed, fail your family. Kill and risk getting killed leaving your children without a father. When your priorities are set over your family, you can't afford it. All simple. Just logic. The same thing with trust. You don't place your trust in people because "trusting people is good" only to find "how wrong you were" when you're being betrayed. You place trust in people fully realizing the risks you take because trusting your friends seemingly blindly makes you stronger. And I, for myself, want to be a strong person. A man who doesn't doubt can sometimes do things way beyond "average human potential".

Find out why you're doing this and don't whine. Noone forces you to be good anyway, so it's either your choice which is plain stupid to whine upon, or you didn't really choose it and all your goodness is crap. People might have other reasons for it - christians, for example, do that because they are awarded an eternal afterlife of happiness, even though I consider that somewhat naive.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
August 30 2007 13:17 GMT
#32
haven't read all comments, but i want to say that i was quite amused when i found out that generally, people that have 'lower' standards than 'righteous' people look down at them because of envy or disdain of not being able themselves to be sustain such standard.

oh well, i am sure that in spanish that makes sense
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-30 14:37:33
August 30 2007 14:37 GMT
#33
If your friends can just not pay you back and you don't do anything about it, you don't have a healthy relationship with them. They're taking advantage of you. Don't let that happen, a friendship is never real if it involves one friend continually treading on the other.

Otherwise, keep it up.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
December 05 2007 05:17 GMT
#34
On August 30 2007 15:29 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2007 06:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm not religious at all, but Matthew 6:1-4 is still inspiring:

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."

Excellent verse.

In other words, if there is no God, you're a sucker. ^^
youre missing the point
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
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