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RebelHeart
New Zealand722 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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GTR
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< factorial_nine > GOOD LUCK, BITCH. | ||
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.kaz
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+ Show Spoiler + YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO! ![[image loading]](http://ariel-rebel.joshsbabes.com/tn_pics15.jpg) | ||
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ZlyKiss
Poland697 Posts
Im closer to eastern philosophies and "religions" like zen, taoism or tibetan buddism but if you like to follow path of Jesus I recommend you to seek the highest intelectual level of christianism. If you are open to see at things from as many points of view as possible i recommend you for example to dig internet for Alan Watts seminars about Jesus and Christianity (torrent, emule, podcasts) | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
if you'll stop masturbating how about stop playing sc and all other things you like because this is what christianity is about isn't it? depriving yourself from all pleasures, sacrificing your "pleasure" for god | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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micronesia
United States24660 Posts
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KwarK
United States42489 Posts
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
On August 07 2007 05:18 ZlyKiss wrote: believing is good but its just a step to knowing...and a blind faith can justify many things from stopping natural and healthy autoerotism to wars. Im closer to eastern philosophies and "religions" like zen, taoism or tibetan buddism but if you like to follow path of Jesus I recommend you to seek the highest intelectual level of christianism. If you are open to see at things from as many points of view as possible i recommend you for example to dig internet for Alan Watts seminars about Jesus and Christianity (torrent, emule, podcasts) This is seriously an amazing post! | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Nah, that wouldn't be nice.  Good luck with this if you think it'll make you a happeier person. | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On August 07 2007 08:16 Cascade wrote: NSFW: + Show Spoiler + Nah, that wouldn't be nice. Good luck with this if you think it'll make you a happeier person. I was all excited too  | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
Why on earth would you want to punish yourself like that? This is probably the only thing keeping you sane and happy. But whatever dude, as long as nobody tries to impose on my godgiven right to wank, I'm fine with whatever shenanigens you do. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Well, once you're free from the "grip" of masturbation, homosexuality and/or adultery, hopefully your realizations come sooner rather than later. | ||
jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
Remember, the hardest part is actually quitting, because it will keep telling you, "oh just one last time, one last time, one last time." But how many last times are there going to be? That is why you should run away whenever it tells you to keep doing it. I am very encouraged that you have reached a level of Christian maturity to say no to your physical manifestations of lust. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
Since when is it a bad thing to enjoy yourself? Since when is it a bad thing to enjoy that which the God you oh-so-firmly believe in created? Unless you take it too far and you become addicted to it, I don't see why on Earth you would need to stop completely? Is it about disciplining yourself or just some other ridiculous Christian rite thing that one cannot reasonably argue for? What in burning hell is wrong with you religious people? You do more harm than good to yourself and possibly others by filling the heads of normal minds with ideas that one way or the other must lead to insanity. You condemn and forbid everything that's remotely fun in life. How does sexual intercourse between man and woman differ from homosexual intercourse or masturbation? How is loving yourself in that literal sense any different from loving another person? How can you say that love is one of the innermost and most basic messages of christianity when you hold yourself from actually practicing that love? You give me more questions than you could ever give me answers. And I think I just found why I don't believe in religion, God, or Jesus. All just bullocks. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
It just says sperm should not be wasted. This has been extrapolated to mean anything from not masturbating to the Catholic ban against condoms and other forms of birth control. It's all so subjective. Speaking of which, by that token, homosexuality is also a sin in the Bible, so you may as well take up an anti-gay crusade to be a better Christian. Religious justification for anything is pretty pointless in my opinon. | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
No man on this earth can not masturbate for a week and then NOT wake up with an erect penis in the morning. It comes to the point where it actually hurts to NOT masturbate. Where is the point to that? Chasticing yourself for being human and having sexual desire? It is that sexual desire, this most basic of instincts, that brought humanity where it is now, whether that be for good or bad. Without it we would not exist, or at least not be what we are now. | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
You probably feel that your thoughts don't follow your will all too well at times, and that your faith and belief struggle or do not suffice at certain times. And you think you want prove to yourself how good a christian you really are, for your faith and the strength of your belief cannot be measured, but well can you measure the lengths you go to to reach your goals, whatever purpose they may serve. I still think it's pointless, yet even pathetic, to rely on such cruel methods of proving a point to oneself, because I don't think you go to church every Sunday telling the father how long you went without masturbation since. Your mind is weak, your will is faint, your belief struggling, and you try to force yourself into a life of chastice and purity, that is not even explicitely recommended by the bible. You aren't a true Christian, or a religious person even, if your body does all the work, and suffers in the process. | ||
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ZlyKiss
Poland697 Posts
Years later, when the teacher died, the cat continued to be tied up during the meditation session. And when the cat eventually died, another cat was brought to the monastery and tied up. Centuries later, learned descendants of the spiritual teacher wrote scholarly treatises about the religious significance of tying up a cat for meditation practice." Its from Zen Stories and i think that is very universal. Do you guys know how Bible was created and edited? That it was a simple gathering of ppl with "religion power" and highest status who decided what to include and what to destroy as something out of the biblical canon? And what about this ultimate religious dedication of Jehova Witness prohibition of blood transfusion? Just look what was the origin of that ban and today consequences (they let smbody die cuz he has granted to be chosen to live in new heavenly kingdom) Many ppl choose religions incredibly hard to follow cuz they want to be tested, like Abraham for example. That gives them a meaning of life. Imo that is NOT a true spirituality... ...but theres nothing wrong about it and everything on this world has its place and its as it should be.... | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
i gave up masterbating for almost a year one time, and you know what i replaced it with? sex. GL | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
Other than that i agree to your posts. I want to specify that in the past people believed the sperm should not be wasted because it's limited and even after they discovered it's not limited they thought the sperm get's worse in quality after every ejaculation. We in the modern world should know that it actually doesn't diminish it's quality and neither does it "stop producing". Also about now we know the sperm is the result of a biological process and not it is like god gave you the "seeds" to fertilise the women and it's a shame that you waste it. As another argument against abstitence i bring the studies that show how important is for the body to release the sexual tensions and most of all how important it is for the mind to release the sexual tensions. Every (or like 99.9%) of the psychologists and anatomysts agree that masturbation is good, and from the point of psychology the only worry is that on certain people masturbation lower their self esteem / make them introvert / etc but that's not very common. | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On August 07 2007 08:57 jkillashark wrote: Hey RebelHeart. Though many of the comments just posted now are probably very discouraging, I want to encourage you. I myself have kept myself without masturbation for nearly 3 years. It is a nasty habit and I did seek counseling from my youth pastor to help me. He gave me an analogy whenever the urge comes up. Run away. Like Joseph ran away from Potiphar's wife. Find something else to keep you preoccupied. Maybe StarCraft, homework, watching some TV, or whatever else you can put your mind on. Masturbation is only a physical manifestation of what's going on inside your head, so put something else inside the head. Remember, the hardest part is actually quitting, because it will keep telling you, "oh just one last time, one last time, one last time." But how many last times are there going to be? That is why you should run away whenever it tells you to keep doing it. I am very encouraged that you have reached a level of Christian maturity to say no to your physical manifestations of lust. W00t. I agree. I'm Catholic, and I'm usually kind of embarrassed to say these things, cause everybody is like, "Wtf, your a man, do what feels right." But honestly, masturbation is pretty much the equivalent of sex, except 1 person...so what I'm saying is do you go around banging random chicks because you feel like it? If you have a girlfriend, go ahead...although I won't because it's against my religion as well. But if you don't have a girlfriend, you'd probably have to find a new one every day, or rape someone. That turns you into an animal. Are we not more then animals to dictate self-control over ourselves? | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
However, I think that the only good way to get some of this stuff is through self reflection and experience in life. Even if you think that the mainstream way of life is messed up or not satisfactory to you, it doesn't mean that you run automatically to the next school of thought that gives you the most definite and appealing answers. Very often, the fact of the matter is that there is no clear cut solution to some questions and you need to discover those for yourself. You need to question whether that definiteness of certain belief systems is through sound knowledge or through artificially closing one's mind off to questions, other viewpoints, or sometimes even plain facts. Good luck on your journey in life. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On August 07 2007 10:15 Pika Chu wrote: Cpt Obvious, people don't wake up with an erect penis in the morning because of the "desire", people wake up with an erect penis in the morning because they felt the need to pee in the sleep so the body is automatically taking measures against unconcious urinal (so they don't pee in the sleep). And that measure is getting the penis erect. Other than that i agree to your posts. I want to specify that in the past people believed the sperm should not be wasted because it's limited and even after they discovered it's not limited they thought the sperm get's worse in quality after every ejaculation. We in the modern world should know that it actually doesn't diminish it's quality and neither does it "stop producing". Also about now we know the sperm is the result of a biological process and not it is like god gave you the "seeds" to fertilise the women and it's a shame that you waste it. As another argument against abstitence i bring the studies that show how important is for the body to release the sexual tensions and most of all how important it is for the mind to release the sexual tensions. Every (or like 99.9%) of the psychologists and anatomysts agree that masturbation is good, and from the point of psychology the only worry is that on certain people masturbation lower their self esteem / make them introvert / etc but that's not very common. that bit about having to pee during the night is bullshit, kids grow out of wetting the bed long before puberty (mostly). how do you explain that? and what if girls need to pee at night? i'm not a doctor but that just seems like common sense.. an erect penis always means there's a desire to proliferate. | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
On August 07 2007 10:23 wizardpl wrote: W00t. I agree. I'm Catholic, and I'm usually kind of embarrassed to say these things, cause everybody is like, "Wtf, your a man, do what feels right." But honestly, masturbation is pretty much the equivalent of sex, except 1 person...so what I'm saying is do you go around banging random chicks because you feel like it? If you have a girlfriend, go ahead...although I won't because it's against my religion as well. But if you don't have a girlfriend, you'd probably have to find a new one every day, or rape someone. That turns you into an animal. Are we not more then animals to dictate self-control over ourselves? It is true that the ability to control our instincts and basic longings to some extend by sheer willpower, and that distiguishes us from the animals. It is also true that, did we not control ourselves in that way, the world would be one fucking awful place. It is common sense that sexuality is kept to private and not "over-done". It is an agreement that made civilisation as such possible at all. But what I am saying is not that you are a lesser man for not fulfilling your bodily needs, nor that one should try to exercise one's sexuality whenever nature calls, but that you are a fool to think you can bend nature's will with your own, and a fool to think that it makes you a better person, a better Christian, or in any other respect. I agree with what Coagulation and Aphelion said, it is pointless. It does not achieve anything but maybe exercise and train your willpower, because I honestly would respect you for going without masturbation for a longer time. But it is that same kind of respect that I would show to martyrs. It is that respect totally free of envy or inclination to do likewise. If that's what you long for, then best of luck. edit: on the morning stiffy issue: It may be true, for I do not necessarily feel the urge to orgasm, but still I'd like you to answer the girl argument, since they obviously would need other measures to prevent peeing the bed. Also I have only encountered this phenomenon during the last year when I went without masturbation for longer than a couple of days, how do you explain that? Coincidence? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 07 2007 10:23 wizardpl wrote: But honestly, masturbation is pretty much the equivalent of sex, except 1 person...so what I'm saying is do you go around banging random chicks because you feel like it? If you have a girlfriend, go ahead...although I won't because it's against my religion as well. But if you don't have a girlfriend, you'd probably have to find a new one every day, or rape someone. That turns you into an animal. Are we not more then animals to dictate self-control over ourselves? Did you just equate masturbation with rape? -_- | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
My life would be meaningless without those people, at last something religion has done for me. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
Many people will think I'm stupid, retarded, etc. But that is the view of my religion, and that is MY view, and I won't change it. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On August 07 2007 11:17 Cpt Obvious wrote: My life would be meaningless without those people, at last something religion has done for me. Then your even sadder and more than those people whose theories you destroy. Your life's meaning depends on religion as much as theirs do, but yours is a negative existence instead, you aim to destroy instead of create. And this is coming from a hardcore atheist. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
True, your point is valid. It is a problem in modern society that the idea of marriage becomes less and less popular. That can be seen in the ever-growing number of divorces. I do not argue that the whole idea of marriage and monogamy should be abandoned, but you will have to agree that in modern society people can well exist without it. There is no need anymore for women to be married to a man to hunt her food and protect her from peril. There isn't even a need for intercourse anymore due to modern medical science. But I still don't see why masturbation should pose any threat to leading a successful family life at a later point in your life, given you have the will to pursue such goals. Or taking another point of view, how would abandoning masturbation help you get to a happy, lasting marriage with a woman you truly love as opposed to not giving up on masturbation? Because the only thing that changes for sure and most remarkably is your heigthened lust for sexual pleasure. Is this how you wish to choose your future ways, guided foremost by your sexual instinct? I have made the experience that every time if relieved that pressure, I was able to look at things more clearly, that I was able to judge things more rational, less influenced by my hormones. It is in that state of mind, and in no other, that I would advise any man to choose a company for the rest of his life. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Don't listen to someone who has to pay a french hooker 50 Euro to get his virginity taken  If this makes you feel better emotionally - spiritually - do it! Noones stopping you but yourself. For some the spiritual and emotional way outweigh the physical. There's immense satisfaction and gratification one can get out of seemingly ridiculous things like this. I for example will not have sex at all if I don't love someone. And I rarely do so. I feel awesome about it though, yet others may find me crazy. As for this literal bickering: some traditions arent meant to be broken down fully..  Can we all stop taking the book literally; nowadays it's mostly individual religion anyways. You practice and preach what you believe to be right - and abide by that. This differs per person. | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
"Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary." So, basically, that. Do it if you feel inside yourself it's right, not because some religion makes you fell guilty about it. It will require a lot inner strength and will to pull it off (mostly from you subconsciouses). I have been on that same path before, quit masturbation due to religious beliefs. And it... well, i learned from it after i quited religion altogether, but made me feel rather miserable in the meanwhile and separated from all the rest of the people of my age i met. | ||
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Pressure
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but dont do it to a woman my pastor had a 'sermon' on sex and alla that so you can masturbate just dont do it to a woman and dont do it every day :p stopping completely is even better though | ||
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TheOvermind77
United States923 Posts
Good luck, man. If you truly believe it and stand by it then let no one (especially Palmela Handerson) compromise your beliefs. | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
Actually, there are more motives for it. Like waking up from REM, the theory that says the mind tests all body muscles at night, being sexual aroused etc. I didn't want it to sound like it's the only reason so maybe it's my fault, it's just that i've heard this too often and made jokes on the fact that sometimes men wake up with a boner and i feel all the time i have to explain it's not necesarily because he was having sexy dreams. I suffer of insipidous diabete and even though i have medication to keep my "water levels" under control (meaning how much water i drink) if i don't take my pills i'll most likely wake up 2 - 3 times a night to go urinate. Do you know how i get out of sleep? i dream that i want to piss and just can't (in the dream, i can't find a spot, when i find a spot i can't piss etc) and so i wake up and guess what, i have an erect penis . My friend who has some kidney problem, also got to an urologist (i hope it's the right word in english ), and the doctor told him the same thing about the erect penis in the morning (also known as morning wood in english). | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Also, posting is work. Don't post on Sundays | ||
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Vigilante
United States130 Posts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm | ||
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fuglyfrog
United States521 Posts
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On August 07 2007 13:10 Pressure wrote: masturbating is good but dont do it to a woman my pastor had a 'sermon' on sex and alla that so you can masturbate just dont do it to a woman and dont do it every day :p stopping completely is even better though Rofl What else are you going to jerk to? Why would you stop this anyway? If it's because you don't want to have lust for others, then you better stop being attracted to women as, according to the bible, if you so much as think of sex with a woman, it is as "bad" as actually having sex with that woman. | ||
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