• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:14
CET 15:14
KST 23:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !3Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win3Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Did they add GM to 2v2? Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1453 users

The Future of the Filthy Cup

Blogs > FilthyRake
Post a Reply
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
September 01 2017 17:45 GMT
#1
Hopefully anyone reading this knows what the Filthy Cup is. If not, it is a weekly event I run, online. 3 weeks are open only to Americas participants, and 1 week is Global.

The event is run on Fridays, at 11am pacific. Why this time? Well, it is when I could get casters/admins/production to do it :D

The problem is participation and viewership. The Global events are fine. People sign up, people play, people watch, life is good.

The Americas events, however, are not great. We've been struggling to even break 10 signups, many weeks. And that is with a $100 prize pool and OSC Points! I understand that the day/time isnt great for players, but this is significantly worse than I'd expect. It wasnt always this bad, but it has definitely been headed in the wrong direction.


So what do I do? I cannot, realistically, run the event on another day/time. I have a full time job and a wife, so I am limited to when I can get other folks to do it - and thats how we wound up where we are.

I could make all of them (or more of them, at least) Global events. This is something I've been considering. Global events have double prize pool, so I'd need to spend more money (and get my sponsor to put in more money). Yes I know, I dont *have* to - I could run the globals at the same prize pool and it would probably be fine, but I like them being special. That said, I could probably pull this off.

Maybe the Filthy Cups just arent a draw for other reasons? Maybe nobody really wants them?

Honestly, I dont know - so I am not sure what the future of the events will hold. I am, of course, open to suggestions.

*****
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
September 01 2017 19:01 GMT
#2
man six signups? I'll sign up next time while I still don't have classes. That said, not breaking 10 signups is *surprisingly bad*, and I'd like to attribute it to the time of the day. Friday mornings are probably a better time for the Europeans. It's understandable if you want to stop doing NA and make them all global...but why not do global have the same prize pool as the regular $100?
$O$ | soO
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 01 2017 19:43 GMT
#3
I'd say you should probably advertise more so people are aware that it even exists.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
September 01 2017 20:19 GMT
#4
On September 02 2017 04:43 ninazerg wrote:
I'd say you should probably advertise more so people are aware that it even exists.


what would you suggest?
It gets tweeted out every week (with many retweets). It is listed in the TL events calendar every week. It has a TL thread in the SC2 tournaments section.

The only thing I dont consistently do is create r/starcraft threads for it - mostly to avoid violating the 9:1 rule they've got.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
September 01 2017 20:21 GMT
#5
On September 02 2017 04:01 iMrising wrote:
man six signups? I'll sign up next time while I still don't have classes. That said, not breaking 10 signups is *surprisingly bad*, and I'd like to attribute it to the time of the day. Friday mornings are probably a better time for the Europeans. It's understandable if you want to stop doing NA and make them all global...but why not do global have the same prize pool as the regular $100?


Yeah there have been some rough weeks.

Today, thankfully, turned out pretty well. We wound up with some great players coming in at the last minute, and this will wind up being one of our better showings for an Americas week.


You're right that I dont have to have the globals have a higher prize pool. I *like* them being higher, but I dont have to. I dont intend to let that get in the way of the events (if I do decide to make more global). I am not sure I want to make ALL of them global however. I mean, I'm from NA - I want to keep supporting the Americas scene as much as I can :D
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 01 2017 23:55 GMT
#6
On September 02 2017 05:19 FilthyRake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 04:43 ninazerg wrote:
I'd say you should probably advertise more so people are aware that it even exists.


what would you suggest?
It gets tweeted out every week (with many retweets). It is listed in the TL events calendar every week. It has a TL thread in the SC2 tournaments section.

The only thing I dont consistently do is create r/starcraft threads for it - mostly to avoid violating the 9:1 rule they've got.


Send invites to the players. You must know a lot of players by now.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
HappyBunnyTime
Profile Joined November 2012
United States51 Posts
September 05 2017 19:24 GMT
#7
To add I would suggest the possibility of working with someone to help you run the event at possibly a better time , understandable that it is your tournament to run of course , but why not have a test run of changing the time to benefit the possibility of more signups.
o3o/
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 03:53:24
September 06 2017 03:53 GMT
#8
On September 06 2017 04:24 HappyBunnyTime wrote:
To add I would suggest the possibility of working with someone to help you run the event at possibly a better time , understandable that it is your tournament to run of course , but why not have a test run of changing the time to benefit the possibility of more signups.


That's how we wound up at the time we are now. You dont think I'm free at 11am on fridays, do you? I've got work! The Gauntlet SC2 crew runs the event (largely) for me. It is their time ability that is the limiting factor, unfortunately.

That said, yeah I mean, I dont disagree. A better day/time would be the ideal.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV 2025
13:00
Playoffs
Solar vs CureLIVE!
herO vs Spirit
Scarlett vs Gerald
Rogue vs Shameless
MaNa vs ShoWTimE
Nice vs Creator
WardiTV1003
ComeBackTV 552
TaKeTV 221
IndyStarCraft 140
Rex136
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko448
IndyStarCraft 140
Rex 132
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 36369
Sea 4423
Horang2 1274
Larva 1000
EffOrt 690
GuemChi 602
Mini 538
Soma 493
Stork 371
Sharp 366
[ Show more ]
ZerO 314
Snow 287
firebathero 279
PianO 222
Last 217
BeSt 199
hero 138
Hyuk 128
Rush 116
Hyun 98
Killer 93
JYJ 91
Light 72
Pusan 68
sorry 59
Mind 49
Mong 46
soO 26
Movie 25
Aegong 24
Terrorterran 15
scan(afreeca) 11
Shine 9
Dota 2
Gorgc5297
singsing3729
qojqva2398
Dendi871
XcaliburYe133
syndereN76
League of Legends
C9.Mang0318
rGuardiaN111
Counter-Strike
byalli457
allub159
oskar121
Other Games
B2W.Neo1325
olofmeister1102
Beastyqt587
crisheroes434
Hui .254
Mew2King75
QueenE71
Livibee62
Trikslyr28
nookyyy 10
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV445
League of Legends
• Nemesis1860
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
20h 46m
ByuN vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
OSC
23h 46m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
WardiTV 2025
1d 20h
SC Evo League
1d 22h
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.