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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 01 2015 09:26 GMT
#1
I have spent some long (and in retrospective silly) time completely ignoring the Proleague. It was some weird thing in a weird format with largely irrelevant players (from the SC2 point of view) and teams I had no feelings about that attracted just the BW-nostalgists, who were basically my mortal enemies, because most of them wanted to reverse all the hard-earned improvements that were incorporated into SC2.

Now it's October 2015 and I am serisously considering staying home for the weekend to watch the PL finals live. I am not sure that you get the seriousness of this statement, it is a weekend, the time I go somewhere with trees, water and birds. This is not something that can be taken lightly.

But this finals is not only the pinnacle of a season with awesome storylines. Even though SBENU did not make it and thus destroyed the possibly greatest story that could be dreamt of, there is still a lot to be said about a JAGW-SKT finals, at least for me. The contrast between the oldest, greatest and starriest SKT and the former T8 is obvious. But both teams are extremely interesting in terms of their individual players.

How can a team that recently lost Parting, Rain and Soulkey be still so strong? It's because they have their unique breed of a "strong player". soO, Dream and Dark, they share much the same status - I won't put them high on my GOAT list, but I would bet against them in very, very few matches (with the exceptions of finals for soO, of course). They do not stand out particularly strongly in my list of SC2 memories, but they are just fucking good at the game. And then there is Innovation who is a perfect personification of my feelings about the whole team - when I watch him, I admire his play, I expect him to win, but I am not particularly happy when that happens. I was never really much into this fan/anti-fan business, but I must admit that I sometimes honestly emotionally enjoy when somebody gives Inno a good beating. And that kinda applies to the SKT team in PL.

But this equation has two sides and the green side makes things even better. JAGW happens to have some of the most interesting players imaginable. What is there not to love about sOs's play? He is one of the few people who can perform at the top level while keeping a fresh flair, followed only by his faithful apprentice Rogue. And then there is Maru, the most old-school of all, and undoubtedly the greatest TvP player in SC2 history. I haven't sadly seen him play for quite some time now - and the last time I had, it was just really sad to watch his health-affected play - but he just remains one of the very few players I am unconditionally cheering for any time he pops on screen. And his struggle makes it really just only a better story when JAGW wins in a Maru ace match next Saturday.

Finally let me remind you of the great words from the Ministry of Hype:

On October 01 2015 03:26 OtherWorld wrote:
I suggest that for maximum HYPE for the finals, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who intends to post in the final's LR thread chose SKT1 or JAGW as a team flair, from now on and until the finals are over. Forget your really favorite teams for a moment, no matter if they're foreign or Korean, and make the final's LR thread a huge Red vs Green fest that will be spoken of for ages.



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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 01 2015 09:37 GMT
#2
Amen. This post has the Ministry of Hype's official approval.
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SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
October 01 2015 10:52 GMT
#3
Plus, there's the beginning of LoL's worlds.

So, double reason to get hyped and to stay home.

Plus, the weather is said to be bad this w-e in my place. Triple reason.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 01 2015 13:54 GMT
#4
On October 01 2015 18:26 opisska wrote:
Now it's October 2015 and I am serisously considering staying home for the weekend to watch the PL finals live. I am not sure that you get the seriousness of this statement, it is a weekend, the time I go somewhere with trees, water and birds. This is not something that can be taken lightly.


Terraform has trees and Vaani Research Station has water. I think all the maps have some birds. Or like, whatever alien version of birds there are.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13998 Posts
October 01 2015 17:51 GMT
#5
Undoubtedly the best TvP? MKP, Polt, 2012 GSL Mvp, Puma, Bomber, and Taeja would like to have a word with you.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 01 2015 18:02 GMT
#6
On October 02 2015 02:51 Cricketer12 wrote:
Undoubtedly the best TvP? MKP, Polt, 2012 GSL Mvp, Puma, Bomber, and Taeja would like to have a word with you.


That's not what I wrote however, to be precise. At any rate, judging who was the best in anything over the years is a highly doubtful activity, as proven to death by stuchiu.Greatness, on the other hand, is a subjective measure. I was never entertained by TvP as much as by Maru at his best when he was dismantling defensive protosses left and right.

Also, the SKT scum who gave me 1 star should stop hiding and hate me in public.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13998 Posts
October 01 2015 22:15 GMT
#7
On October 02 2015 03:02 opisska wrote:
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On October 02 2015 02:51 Cricketer12 wrote:
Undoubtedly the best TvP? MKP, Polt, 2012 GSL Mvp, Puma, Bomber, and Taeja would like to have a word with you.


That's not what I wrote however, to be precise. At any rate, judging who was the best in anything over the years is a highly doubtful activity, as proven to death by stuchiu.Greatness, on the other hand, is a subjective measure. I was never entertained by TvP as much as by Maru at his best when he was dismantling defensive protosses left and right.

Also, the SKT scum who gave me 1 star should stop hiding and hate me in public.

Meh, I guess so, i just root against terran unless they are polt, he taught me that TvZ is as fun as ZvT
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
October 02 2015 08:25 GMT
#8
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 02 2015 10:36 GMT
#9
Ew. Did someone just say Puma? Talk about overrated. As for the op, yeah ignorance is bliss and then you realize exactly what you were missing out and why these fledglings do so well in the environment that they play in. There is a reason why KeSPA took over the esport world in SC2 at least.
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