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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 25 2015 20:16 GMT
#21
On March 26 2015 00:42 vult wrote:
Seems to be quite realistic, to be frank. Strange to see that, even with their seat at the top of the foreigners for quite some time, Snute and Scarlett are not included in the list, while HuK and Thorzain are :o Time goes fast, it's been so long since I have seen them as truly one of the best.

Idc I understand right there is a lot of emphasis on winning tournaments or at least going deep which was a lot more doable at huk's and thorzain's peaks
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 25 2015 20:34 GMT
#22
SO MUCH DONGRAEGU :D:D:D
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A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
March 26 2015 17:25 GMT
#23
MVP being first doesn't mean he's best.. just first
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Kazahk
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States385 Posts
March 26 2015 18:45 GMT
#24
In other words Mvp is god
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 26 2015 23:45 GMT
#25
Some replies to some posts. Thanks for all the nice comments!

On March 25 2015 04:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
This blog was so dry, I didn't need a towel after my shower.

To make your calculations more accurate, I would suggest creating a system that rates individual tournaments by the general level of competitors involved. This would be extremely tedious and time-consuming but it's crucial to making meaningful sense of tournament finishes. Level of performance positively correlates with time since the medium player level increases over time in any competitive sport. It's no surprise that most derived statistical highs are recorded early in a sports' lifespan while most flat highs come near the end.


To be honest, it is a question of time. Since I'm not getting paid for doing math on these things and I have no working model that I could easily adapt to do just that... yeah, the workload/learning effort is simply too high. Sadly.

If I had the knowledge and time I would love to use aligulacs databank to apply and finetune a spatial econometrics model to create player clusters, rate "regions" and try to create a dynamic world ranking of players. Would be a very interesting work, but way too time consuming if you don't do it professionally I guess. More reason to admire aligulac's creators for the work they are putting into their database and rating system, even if people don't really use their top lists that much.

On March 27 2015 02:25 A3th3r wrote:
MVP being first doesn't mean he's best.. just first


This is very much true. I believe that 2011 Mvp would be in trouble against the top 5% of the ladder these days, if not even more. The skill - in particular strategic skill - has grown so much since then. 2015 Mvp would wipe the floor with 2011 Mvp... yet 2015 Mvp has sadly become irrelevant.

But that isn't the purpose of these statistics. It's rather about making achievments comparable in one way or another, possibly setting standards for when we consider someone a Bonjwa or something like that.


On March 26 2015 05:34 Cricketer12 wrote:
SO MUCH DONGRAEGU :D:D:D

I was surprised myself how high DRG peaked. Even more, I found some small mistakes in the rating of soO and Maru, which might have a small impact on the ratings making DRG #2 in peak. (gotta rerun some calculation)
I'm not quite sure why, but the top players of late 2011-early 2012 seem to be rated a little bit higher than the others. There might be some mistake, but also when copying top4's from that period I remember that I had to type the names Mvp, DongRaeGu and MMA very often. They were consistently very strong back then, much more than todays top players I think.

On March 26 2015 00:42 vult wrote:
Seems to be quite realistic, to be frank. Strange to see that, even with their seat at the top of the foreigners for quite some time, Snute and Scarlett are not included in the list, while HuK and Thorzain are :o Time goes fast, it's been so long since I have seen them as truly one of the best.


The thing is that back in those days HuK and ThorZaIN actually won and placed high in many tournaments that in general had quite strong foreigner:korean ratios. Even rating them as T5 tournaments (which is very low) gives them points, which top8 finishes of Scarlett and Snute do not. The competition was different back then. I'd say amongst other indicators, this showcases how incredibly thin the air become since Kespa players have switched and caught up in 2012-13. The Korean scene still seems to be oversaturated with talent (more talents than can actually feed of progaming) while the foreign scene has had a hard stand without region lock in WCS and inferior/nonexistant infrastructure, making it very hard for new players to reach the top. Before the Kespa switch and after the SC2 launch hype with WC3, SC1 and new players of all nations flooding the scene the conditions were just much easier/better for a foreigner to reach the top.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
June 04 2018 16:23 GMT
#26
I found this thread today and read it with great interest. Do you think you could do an up-to-date list counting results from the last three years ?

Thank you for the read anyway
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 04 2018 19:30 GMT
#27
soO is the second best player of all time by peak performance

Sounds about right
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