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Top16 Foreigner Ranking, Nov. 2014

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 14:51:38
November 19 2014 14:49 GMT
#1
Welcome to the monthly Top 16 Western Foreigner Ranking (excluding china, taiwan).
As always, i won't comment on my personal rankings ("Me"), it's opinion based.
Please read, comment, vote and spread the word!



___________________________________________



The math:

My subjective ranking counts for 50% this time.
Rank 1 gives 50 points; Rank 10 gives 32,15 points; Rank 30 gives 20,35 points

aligulac rankings count for 35% now.
Rank 1 gives 35 points; Rank 10 gives 22,51 points; Rank 30 gives 14,25 points

WCS points count for 15% now. They are less of a facot this time, since its the 2014 list which isn't quite telling anymore. this will have more a factor in the future again.
Rank 1 gives 15 points; Rank 10 gives 9,64 points; Rank 30 gives 6,10 points.

The maximum reachable is 100 points (50+35+15) now for first place in all 3 rankings [of all the available competitors].
Rank 10 in all 3 rankings would give you 64,3 points (32,15+22,51+9,64).
Rank 30 in all 3 rankings give you 40,7 points (20,35+14,25+6,10).
The lower the ranks get, the smaller the point differences between them become.


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The Ranking, Polls:



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1 o --- 94,06 ---- no Snute
aligulac: 5 | WCS: 1 | Me: 1
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Poll: The rank is...

perfect! (65)
 
63%

too high! (39)
 
38%

104 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!


_____________________________________
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2 o --- 93,37 ---- ca Scarlett
aligulac: 1 | WCS: 3 | Me: 3
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too high! (56)
 
58%

perfect! (21)
 
22%

too low... (20)
 
21%

97 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


_____________________________________
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3 o --- 92,99 ---- dk Bunny
aligulac: 3 | WCS: 2 | Me: 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too low... (40)
 
62%

perfect! (14)
 
22%

too high! (11)
 
17%

65 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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4 +1 --- 87,35 ---- es VortiX
aligulac: 2 | WCS: 6 | Me: 4
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Poll: The rank is...

perfect! (25)
 
52%

too high! (16)
 
33%

too low... (7)
 
15%

48 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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5 -1 --- 75,04 ---- ru Happy
aligulac: 5 | WCS: 9 | Me: 7
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Poll: The rank is...

too high! (50)
 
89%

perfect! (5)
 
9%

too low... (1)
 
2%

56 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...



_____________________________________
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6 o --- 74,27 ---- mx MajOr
aligulac: 8 | WCS: 11 | Me: 5
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Poll: The rank is...

too low... (32)
 
53%

too high! (15)
 
25%

perfect! (13)
 
22%

60 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


_____________________________________
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7 +5 -- 66,44 ---- pl MaNa
aligulac: 10 | WCS: 8 | Me: 9
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too high! (27)
 
56%

too low... (14)
 
29%

perfect! (7)
 
15%

48 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


_____________________________________

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8 -1 -- 66,33 ---- ca HuK
aligulac: 23 | WCS: 6 | Me: 6
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too high! (30)
 
52%

too low... (16)
 
28%

perfect! (12)
 
21%

58 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


_____________________________________
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9 +2 --- 65,37 ---- pl Nerchio
aligulac: 7 | WCS: 13 | Me: 11
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Poll: The rank is...

too high! (38)
 
83%

too low... (7)
 
15%

perfect! (1)
 
2%

46 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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10 -1 -- 64,32 ---- de TLO
aligulac: 20 | WCS: 5 | Me: 8
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Poll: The rank is...

too low... (28)
 
56%

too high! (16)
 
32%

perfect! (6)
 
12%

50 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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11 +2 -- 62,70 ---- fr Lilbow
aligulac: 4 | WCS: 40 | Me: 15
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Poll: The rank is...

too high! (26)
 
63%

too low... (8)
 
20%

perfect! (7)
 
17%

41 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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12 -4 --- 56,00 ---- fr Dayshi
aligulac: 17 | WCS: 12 | Me: 14
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too low... (22)
 
55%

too high! (14)
 
35%

perfect! (4)
 
10%

40 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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13 -4 --- 55,24 ---- fi Welmu
aligulac: 25 | WCS: 4 | Me: 16
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Poll: The rank is...

too low... (25)
 
60%

too high! (9)
 
21%

perfect! (8)
 
19%

42 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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14 +6 -- 1640 ---- nl Harstem
aligulac: 35 | WCS: 17 | Me: 10
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too low... (22)
 
61%

too high! (8)
 
22%

perfect! (6)
 
17%

36 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


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15 +10 -- 52,70 ---- ua Kas
aligulac: 18 | WCS: 35 | Me: 13
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

perfect! (11)
 
38%

too high! (9)
 
31%

too low... (9)
 
31%

29 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...


____________________________________
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16 -2 -- 51,93 ---- no TargA
aligulac: 14 | WCS: 32 | Me: 17
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: The rank is...

too high! (23)
 
62%

too low... (9)
 
24%

perfect! (5)
 
14%

37 total votes

Your vote: The rank is...

(Vote): too high!
(Vote): perfect!
(Vote): too low...






Rank 17-40

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RANK - PLAYER - POINTS

17 - Petraeus - 51,55
18 - ShoWTimE - 51,07
19 - Kane - 50,19
20 - Bly - 50,09
21 - uThermaL - 48,78
22 - qxc - 46,8
23 - MaSa - 45,48
24 - HeRoMaRinE - 45,07
25 - MarineLorD - 44,21
26 - Starbuck - 43,78
27 - iaguz - 42,88
28 - Serral - 42,84
29 - puCK - 41,86
30 - Zanster - 41,23
31 - Stephano - 40,65
32 - elfi - 40,60
33 - SortOf - 40,32
34 - HasuObs - 39,63
35 - Grubby - 39,41
36 - Minigun - 38,75
37 - DeMusliM - 38,70
38 - Miniraser - 38,00
39 - PiG - 36,89
40 - MorroW - 36,40





How would a tournament (Top16) look?

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Poll: Would you like to watch that tournament?

Hell Yeah! (246)
 
80%

No Koreans... get out (60)
 
20%

306 total votes

Your vote: Would you like to watch that tournament?

(Vote): Hell Yeah!
(Vote): No Koreans... get out






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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 15:03:49
November 19 2014 15:02 GMT
#2
I don't understand your maths at all here.

oh wait do you use commas instead of decimal points?
Zerg for Life
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 15:09:36
November 19 2014 15:07 GMT
#3
I said it last time and I'll say it again, once you get past the top 4, they all feel too high. Makes you realize how few competitive foreigners there really are.

Also, Petraeus I feel should be higher. Dude's really legit, he'll prove himself even more eventually.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 19 2014 15:37 GMT
#4
Why no taiwan and china? Those guys are consistently beating koreans in weekly cups.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 19 2014 15:49 GMT
#5
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 15:57:17
November 19 2014 15:56 GMT
#6
Like last time, I really think you under rate Welmu alot
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
November 19 2014 16:10 GMT
#7
I feel Bly's strongly underrated. He's not very consistent but he's one of the few foreigners that can take series from good Koreans.
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
November 19 2014 16:11 GMT
#8
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol
420
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 19 2014 16:32 GMT
#9
You forgot Sen!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 19 2014 16:40 GMT
#10
On November 20 2014 01:32 Bagration wrote:
You forgot Sen!


Read the first line , lol
Zerg for Life
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
November 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#11
On November 20 2014 01:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I feel Bly's strongly underrated. He's not very consistent but he's one of the few foreigners that can take series from good Koreans.


Those wins are mostly one hit wonders. He can take games from koreans only due to cross server lag issues and his unknown cheesy style, which makes him highly unpredictable.
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
November 19 2014 17:03 GMT
#12
The real Blizzcon!
Go TAEJA
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 19 2014 17:06 GMT
#13
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol

Downfall?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 19 2014 17:06 GMT
#14
On November 20 2014 02:03 ANLProbe wrote:
The real Blizzcon!


This has more in relation with LRSL Blizzcon than the real one.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 19 2014 17:09 GMT
#15
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol


I think we need some affirmative action in StarCraft.

all tournaments must have at least 20% representation by black players.

and 50% of all Terran units should be of non white origin
Zerg for Life
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 19 2014 17:11 GMT
#16
On November 20 2014 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol


I think we need some affirmative action in StarCraft.

all tournaments must have at least 20% representation by black players.

and 50% of all Terran units should be of non white origin


Marauders sound kind of black, and terrans usually build a lot of those.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 19 2014 17:14 GMT
#17
On November 20 2014 02:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol


I think we need some affirmative action in StarCraft.

all tournaments must have at least 20% representation by black players.

and 50% of all Terran units should be of non white origin


Marauders sound kind of black, and terrans usually build a lot of those.


well i guess DB really did think of everything.

Zerg for Life
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 19 2014 17:16 GMT
#18
On November 20 2014 02:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol


I think we need some affirmative action in StarCraft.

all tournaments must have at least 20% representation by black players.

and 50% of all Terran units should be of non white origin


Marauders sound kind of black, and terrans usually build a lot of those.

General Warfield was black. So is a banshee unit portrait? We got it covered. Was Duran black or arab?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 19 2014 17:31 GMT
#19
He was both and he was neither
Zerg for Life
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
November 19 2014 17:44 GMT
#20
On November 20 2014 02:06 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 01:11 BongChambers wrote:
On November 20 2014 00:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Didn't you know? Only white people are foreigners. Asians don't count.


You just made me realize there are very few to none very well known black sc2 pros lol

Downfall?

I don't think he's a pro though. Just a (very) good player !
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