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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 18 2014 01:49 GettingIt wrote: So all the males in Greece have been or will be a slave for 9 months? No wonder Greece has a lot of problems. Wow. Way to compare obligatory military service to slavery... | ||
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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On April 18 2014 01:53 FFW_Rude wrote: Wow. Way to compare obligatory military service to slavery... Whats the difference? | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
That said, the difference isn't that obvious. You're being forced to work for the State instead of for some private entity. The difference is that you don't create anything, but defend the State's interests, which often happens to line up with yours. It's perhaps not as heinous as slavery because everyone goes through it, it doesn't reduce another 'race' of people to slavery - rather, it exploits existing potential in everyone. It's not racist nor exclusive... The conscription is shit but significantly less repulsive than slavery which reduces people to the level of animals or machines. | ||
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kaiz0ku
Greece289 Posts
On April 18 2014 02:57 Djzapz wrote: It's not completely outlandish to compare conscription to slavery, especially when there's no way out and emigrating to avoid it is not easy and probably impossible much of the time. I've heard that in some places, you can give up your citizenship to avoid the conscription. Was it in SK? Either way, losing your citizenship is a massive deal. That said, the difference isn't that obvious. You're being forced to work for the State instead of for some private entity. The difference is that you don't create anything, but the State's interests, which often happens to line up with yours. It's perhaps not as heinous as slavery because everyone goes through it, it doesn't reduce another 'race' of people to slavery - rather, it exploits existing potential in everyone. It's not racist nor exclusive... The conscription is shit but significantly less repulsive than slavery which reduces people to the level of animals or machines. You said it Best | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On April 18 2014 02:54 [Agony]x90 wrote: Well one difference is that one marks you as performing your civic duty, whereas the other marks you as a commodity good. I imagine the way it works is that no male in Greece is obligated to perform the service, they would just have to give up their citizenship or right to be called a Greek if they did not. That is, at least, how it works in Korea. Except in Korea, once you pass a certain age, you are not allowed to give up your citizenship. If you're caught in the country, you will either be pressed into the military or thrown in jail. walking around in funny shoes is a civic duty? | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On April 18 2014 01:49 GettingIt wrote: So all the males in Greece have been or will be a slave for 9 months? No wonder Greece has a lot of problems. Like South Korea, Germany until they got rid of it 3 years ago. wtf. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:48 Disregard wrote: Actually conscription helps control employment problems. If they're in the army and not being paid, they're still basically unemployed. Little money is being put in the system, plenty is being spent training, housing and feeding them. When people join the military of most countries, they're paid so when they're done with the military they've got money to inject back into the market as consumers. Now it's just basically a sink and it takes people out of the streets so they've got shit to do... better than nothing but still doesn't do anything about unemployment. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On April 18 2014 01:49 GettingIt wrote: So all the males in Greece have been or will be a slave for 9 months? No wonder Greece has a lot of problems. Singapore has 2 years, clearly a State of severe problems. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
We also had these amazing practices : once we went to the biggest mall in Finland at night and arrested "enemy fighters" there, fighting as company vs some other company in a industrial area(not with real ammunation,these shells that dont have bullets but "bang", protecting "vip" and delivering him to the location via helicopter, announcing our platoon to a real general. More than I can even remember. I served in military police company in Helsinki and became a reserve second lieutenant. Have fun and try to make the most of your time in service. If you end up in these duties where you must stand still for long time, remember to move your toes and squeeze your fist unnoticed to keep your blood flowing. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
The army teach you how to understand hierarchy, to be organize, to streghten your mental also that teach you "team work" and lots of other thing. | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On April 18 2014 17:00 FFW_Rude wrote: The army teach you how to understand hierarchy, to be organize, to streghten your mental also that teach you "team work" and lots of other thing. So it's not slavery if you tell your slaves to understand hierarchy (LOL), to be organized and to strengthen whatever and teamwork and other stuff? So it's okay to enslave people if you teach them shit. Noted. | ||
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kaiz0ku
Greece289 Posts
On April 19 2014 00:11 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: What if you need to take a piss? Well you have to take care of these things before.. New things i learned : Your duty lasts 24 hours. And every 5-6 hours you have to go and stand there.. Going to the place where you have to stand is around 500 meters and has a very strict number of steps and movements you have to make in order to get there. You walk on a red line which symbolizes the blood of the fallen & you have to hit your foot as hard as possible so that the dead can hear that you are still allowed to walk freely. While in the army no other person is allowed to step on it, for example generals etc. Only the ones that have passed training. You also have to wake up 2 hours earlier if your duty is at night (as i said 6 hours) because putting on the uniform takes approximately 1 hour. Now here is the kick. During the last weeks of training you get partnered up with another guy and you become a "pair" You only perform duty together for the next 8 months and with no one else. One dresses the other , you shave together , you walk together , you get punished together and you are also awarded as a pair. If one is sick then the other waits for him to get better and so on.. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
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