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mihajovics
Profile Joined April 2011
179 Posts
January 10 2014 19:07 GMT
#141
absolutely the biggest problem seems to be an aging business model, leaving money on the table by not monetizing the willing crowd of multiplayers
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-11 10:39:22
January 11 2014 10:37 GMT
#142
On January 10 2014 23:14 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +

It's still the best RTS out there but compared to Bw Sc2 is just subpar.

You say SC2 is the best RTS and immediately name one that is better? Or did I misunderstand you.

I personally couldn't care less about the perceived lack of balance in SC2. You can't measure balance in complicated games like this. What I care about is SC2 became sooo boring to watch and to play Games are so similar to one another that my favourite SC2 of 2013 was probably cannon rushes in WCS finals. Not that I watched too many in 2013.


Ok, I guess I could have phrased that better.
Sc2 is the best current RTS game. Current as in mostly played (outside of SK), streamed and tour(na)mented.
And yes, Bw was (is) so much more for to watch.

edit: are there even companies trying to make new big RTS titles or is everyone on either the moba or the mmo train?
11 years and counting- TL #680
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
January 11 2014 17:47 GMT
#143
On January 11 2014 19:37 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 23:14 Sejanus wrote:

It's still the best RTS out there but compared to Bw Sc2 is just subpar.

You say SC2 is the best RTS and immediately name one that is better? Or did I misunderstand you.

I personally couldn't care less about the perceived lack of balance in SC2. You can't measure balance in complicated games like this. What I care about is SC2 became sooo boring to watch and to play Games are so similar to one another that my favourite SC2 of 2013 was probably cannon rushes in WCS finals. Not that I watched too many in 2013.


Ok, I guess I could have phrased that better.
Sc2 is the best current RTS game. Current as in mostly played (outside of SK), streamed and tour(na)mented.
And yes, Bw was (is) so much more for to watch.


edit: are there even companies trying to make new big RTS titles or is everyone on either the moba or the mmo train?



If those are your criteria, then SC2 is the ONLY RTS game. So of course it's the best. It means nothing. It's like being the most delicious thing on a plate of shit (or rather, a plate with nothing else on it).
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
January 11 2014 18:52 GMT
#144
wooo go LiquidRet :D
No need Build Orders, Only Micro,Favourite Players: Maru, Zest, soOjwa , CJherO
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
January 11 2014 21:02 GMT
#145
On January 12 2014 02:47 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 19:37 Monsen wrote:
On January 10 2014 23:14 Sejanus wrote:

It's still the best RTS out there but compared to Bw Sc2 is just subpar.

You say SC2 is the best RTS and immediately name one that is better? Or did I misunderstand you.

I personally couldn't care less about the perceived lack of balance in SC2. You can't measure balance in complicated games like this. What I care about is SC2 became sooo boring to watch and to play Games are so similar to one another that my favourite SC2 of 2013 was probably cannon rushes in WCS finals. Not that I watched too many in 2013.


Ok, I guess I could have phrased that better.
Sc2 is the best current RTS game. Current as in mostly played (outside of SK), streamed and tour(na)mented.
And yes, Bw was (is) so much more for to watch.


edit: are there even companies trying to make new big RTS titles or is everyone on either the moba or the mmo train?



If those are your criteria, then SC2 is the ONLY RTS game. So of course it's the best. It means nothing. It's like being the most delicious thing on a plate of shit (or rather, a plate with nothing else on it).


Pretty much. I just assume that there are some RTS titles out there that I don't know of (and thus must be worse).
11 years and counting- TL #680
coolman123123
Profile Joined August 2013
146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-11 23:25:15
January 11 2014 23:20 GMT
#146
On January 11 2014 04:07 mihajovics wrote:
absolutely the biggest problem seems to be an aging business model, leaving money on the table by not monetizing the willing crowd of multiplayers


This. Blizzard makes most of their Sc2 money from people who buy the expansions to play the campaign, so their multiplayer team is small and a rather low priority. There is no financial incentive with the current business model to improve the game. There is obviously so much more potential if the game went f2p, both in terms of the quality of the multiplayer and the profits Blizzard could make. Are they willing to put in the time and money needed to change the business model of the game? Probably not, but it seems odd that they would create WCS if they don't have long term plans for SC2, considering Heroes of the Storm and Hearthstone are not being pushed as esports (yet).
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
January 12 2014 02:22 GMT
#147
On January 10 2014 03:25 Monsen wrote:
I'd probably watch even if Flash and Jaedong were playing minesweeper.

I would too c:
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Faggatron
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
January 12 2014 13:51 GMT
#148
On January 12 2014 11:22 traceurling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 03:25 Monsen wrote:
I'd probably watch even if Flash and Jaedong were playing minesweeper.

I would too c:


Kamil would crush them. Minesweeper bonjwa. http://www.minesweeper.info/worldranking.html
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
January 12 2014 15:12 GMT
#149
On January 12 2014 22:51 Faggatron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 11:22 traceurling wrote:
On January 10 2014 03:25 Monsen wrote:
I'd probably watch even if Flash and Jaedong were playing minesweeper.

I would too c:


Kamil would crush them. Minesweeper bonjwa. http://www.minesweeper.info/worldranking.html


I'm number 590 on that list
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
VinceNet
Profile Joined November 2011
Switzerland5 Posts
January 13 2014 15:34 GMT
#150
In warcraft 3, undead was almost unplayable and Orc was overpowered forever - nothing was done.


Night Elves and Human players have won just about anything in the last 3 years
Faggatron
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom65 Posts
January 13 2014 17:54 GMT
#151
On January 13 2014 00:12 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 22:51 Faggatron wrote:
On January 12 2014 11:22 traceurling wrote:
On January 10 2014 03:25 Monsen wrote:
I'd probably watch even if Flash and Jaedong were playing minesweeper.

I would too c:


Kamil would crush them. Minesweeper bonjwa. http://www.minesweeper.info/worldranking.html


I'm number 590 on that list

Hehe yeah im 344 and know personally number 20 (he has 2nd best int time in the world).

Should probably post something on topic:
The biggest problem I have is when someone from the community suggests a nice potential fix to make the game more interesting and better in some way, and they just come up with a transparently bullshit reason why they don't want to add it, usually about making the game noob friendly when really this is not going to make a difference to noobs at all. (Nony's carrier suggestion for example - did this every get implemented??)
That just winds me up I don't think they're actually doing such a bad job.

Hopefully they talk to progamers loads before lotv as it seems this is the only time we may get a fundamental change like people suggest.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 12:56:18
January 15 2014 12:55 GMT
#152
"Your feedbacks are very important, we know that Alterzim is an awful map, but we keep it in the ladder map pool" cit. Blizzard

This was written in their website when the new season began... Feedbacks and community are very important for Blizzard, sure.
Vasacast always in my <3
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