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Top16 Foreigner Ranking - Dec 13'

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 02 2013 22:40 GMT
#1


DiaBoLuS Top 16 Foreigner Ranking

__________________________________________________________________________________



So... I decided to start my foreigner rankings again!
If you dont know what i refer to, check out my old blogs.


Changes

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What has changed?
- This is now purely my own subjective ranking once again and not influenced by aligulac.com
- Now only Top16, not Top30
- It now includes chinese and taiwanese players, mostly due to their international performances.
- Votes for every individual player
- No more reddit backlinking
- new design
- still no reasoning as of why I ranked the players that way. Will discuss in the thread if questions come up.

Main reason for the changes is that the old version was way more time consuming. This is supposed to be a fun little thing I do every month that you may or may not read / enjoy, not something i spend almost a day on in the first place.



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1. (Wiki)NaNiwa
2. (Wiki)Scarlett
3. (Wiki)Jim
4. (Wiki)Sen
5. (Wiki)VortiX
6. (Wiki)Happy
7. (Wiki)Snute
8. (Wiki)MacSed
9. (Wiki)BabyKnight
10 . (Wiki)Lucifron
11. (Wiki)Nerchio
12. (Wiki)Dayshi
13. (Wiki)Welmu
14. (Wiki)TLO
15. (Wiki)Grubby
16. (Wiki)Kas


Closest to Top 16
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elfi
Harstem
SaSe
Xenocider



The next bunch
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HasuObs
HuK
TitaN
MaNa
State
ToD
Suppy
Xigua
Tefel
Kane
Bly
MajOr
HeRoMaRiNe
DeMusliM
Bunny




__________________________________________________________________________________


Polls


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Poll: #1 NaNiWa

It's OK (23)
 
68%

lower! (11)
 
32%

34 total votes

Your vote: #1 NaNiWa

(Vote): It's OK
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #2 Scarlett

about right. (19)
 
59%

higher! (11)
 
34%

lower! (2)
 
6%

32 total votes

Your vote: #2 Scarlett

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #3 Jim

about right. (12)
 
60%

lower! (8)
 
40%

higher! (0)
 
0%

20 total votes

Your vote: #3 Jim

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #4 Sen

lower! (14)
 
67%

about right. (5)
 
24%

higher! (2)
 
10%

21 total votes

Your vote: #4 Sen

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #5 VortiX

lower! (17)
 
81%

about right. (3)
 
14%

higher! (1)
 
5%

21 total votes

Your vote: #5 VortiX

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #6 Happy

about right. (8)
 
38%

lower! (8)
 
38%

higher! (5)
 
24%

21 total votes

Your vote: #6 Happy

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #7 Snute

lower! (11)
 
58%

about right. (7)
 
37%

higher! (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: #7 Snute

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #8 MacSed

about right. (10)
 
53%

higher! (6)
 
32%

lower! (3)
 
16%

19 total votes

Your vote: #8 MacSed

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #9 BabyKnight

lower! (12)
 
57%

higher! (5)
 
24%

about right. (4)
 
19%

21 total votes

Your vote: #9 BabyKnight

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #10 Lucifron

lower! (18)
 
82%

about right. (3)
 
14%

higher! (1)
 
5%

22 total votes

Your vote: #10 Lucifron

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #11 Nerchio

lower! (11)
 
52%

higher! (5)
 
24%

about right. (5)
 
24%

21 total votes

Your vote: #11 Nerchio

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #12 Dayshi

lower! (11)
 
55%

higher! (7)
 
35%

about right. (2)
 
10%

20 total votes

Your vote: #12 Dayshi

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #13 Welmu

about right. (9)
 
50%

higher! (5)
 
28%

lower! (4)
 
22%

18 total votes

Your vote: #13 Welmu

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #14 TLO

higher! (14)
 
58%

lower! (6)
 
25%

about right. (4)
 
17%

24 total votes

Your vote: #14 TLO

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #15 Grubby

higher! (13)
 
50%

lower! (8)
 
31%

about right. (5)
 
19%

26 total votes

Your vote: #15 Grubby

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




Poll: #16 Kas

lower! (11)
 
52%

about right. (8)
 
38%

higher! (2)
 
10%

21 total votes

Your vote: #16 Kas

(Vote): higher!
(Vote): about right.
(Vote): lower!




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Poll: Who deserves Top16 the most?

elfi (10)
 
45%

Someone else (name) (5)
 
23%

Harstem (3)
 
14%

SaSe (2)
 
9%

XenoCider (2)
 
9%

22 total votes

Your vote: Who deserves Top16 the most?

(Vote): elfi
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): Harstem
(Vote): XenoCider
(Vote): Someone else (name)





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Feedback and discussions about the ranking would be highly appreciated





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DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Darkomicron
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands216 Posts
December 02 2013 22:46 GMT
#2
Why rank Lucifron so high after recent sub-par performances?
"Night will fall, and so will you"
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 02 2013 22:47 GMT
#3
Switch elfi and Lucifron and I agree ^^
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
December 02 2013 22:51 GMT
#4
Naniwa and Scarlett are just too good for foreigners. Performance diffference between place 3 to ~30 is smaller than from 2th to 3rd place. It's like in football league after 30 playdays the 3rd has one point more than 30th place.
Scarlett>Naniwa for me.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 02 2013 23:02 GMT
#5
looks good, but the sen is so hard to rate T.T
giving him a top position is the right choice tho
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
December 02 2013 23:12 GMT
#6
where is socke?
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
December 02 2013 23:21 GMT
#7
Happy, BabyK, should be higher T_T; definitely above vortix and maybe snute...
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 23:50:10
December 02 2013 23:49 GMT
#8
On December 03 2013 07:51 Dingodile wrote:
Naniwa and Scarlett are just too good for foreigners. Performance diffference between place 3 to ~30 is smaller than from 2th to 3rd place. It's like in football league after 30 playdays the 3rd has one point more than 30th place.
Scarlett>Naniwa for me.

Jim is pretty good. Just went 2-3 vs Soulkey at WCG. Gap between 2 and 3 probably isn't that big but after that then it starts to spread out (pretty hard to gauge Sen)
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Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
December 03 2013 00:01 GMT
#9
I think you should have a short paragraph explaining each one.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 03 2013 01:04 GMT
#10
I find this ranking more accurate than the previous ones. The only complaint would be that Snute is maybe a bit too high. He didn't make any significant performance recently (besides winning ZOTACs).
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
stuzH
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
December 03 2013 06:10 GMT
#11
man, grubby sucks at this game... He shouldn't even be in top 50.. Idra is probably better than him despite his "retirement"
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
December 03 2013 10:51 GMT
#12
elfi is not here ? how is vortix higher than happy ?
this is a quote
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
December 03 2013 12:37 GMT
#13
I thought TLO would be ranked hier. He had quite a few top 8 finishes no ?
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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
December 03 2013 15:04 GMT
#14
I like the polls, over half of them are saying that people should be ranked lower, but only two of them say that someone deserves to be moved up...
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
December 03 2013 15:21 GMT
#15
Definitely have to move Elfi up, Grubby and Lucifron down.
MacSed maybe even higher than #8.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 20:47:32
December 03 2013 20:44 GMT
#16
On December 04 2013 00:04 Chewbacca. wrote:
I like the polls, over half of them are saying that people should be ranked lower, but only two of them say that someone deserves to be moved up...



haha, that is the problem you usually have making those.

As of why Lucifron is ranked higher than elfi... well. its really hard to explain with results honestly. I hope Lucifron will do me right on this one at Northcon this week, since they are in the same group. I'm simply convinced that he is the better player.
One cannot forgot that he comes from the #3 Forigner position and already lost 7, while elfi comes from way down.

VortiX performs as one of the best foreigners every time he enters a tournament - i think his rank is deserved. you could switch him with happy, i think both of them are in the same category, clearly below naniwa/scarlett, but def. better than the rest (after snutes and lucifrons recent performances).
The reason why i finally ranked vortix over happy is weird - it was thorzains stream. He said "i dont know who the best foreigner is right now - its a tossup between naniwa, scarlett and VORTIX." That gave me to think. He ranked happy one level below vortix when thinking about foreigners.

Snute might have had a bad performance at RedBullBG, but one cannot forget that he is the last player to acutally win tournaments against top level koreans (hsc). He also won RedBullTG a bit more recently. After that, it went a bit more silent around him, before training with CJ Entus for a month and then losing hard at RedBullBG - vs top korean players though. Underrating Snute for that one performance would be a hard mistake to make therefore. He will show he is at least on the vortix/happy level soon enough.

Jim and Sen deserve their spots. They are always said to be very good and able to compete against koreans, and they proved it just this weekend. I'm not so sure about MacSed. I know him from wc3 times and its hard for me to rank him over players that were better than him in this game after seeing so little. In some games i saw, he looked just as strong as Jim, in others, he underperormed heavily (due to lag?)
Will have to see more of him in the future.

As of Votes, it seems you want Grubby and TLO to be ranked higher. TLO had a pretty good run recently and is probably ok to be moved up - the thing is that i didnt have him in my top 16 before his run anymore, since he had pretty bad results before that.
I also know that both players are the biggest fan favorites probably, so i have to take that into consideration when seeing the votes as well.

Will see what next month gives.


Thanks for reading and all the nice feedback
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 03 2013 21:36 GMT
#17
Vortix was the only foreigner at the WCS season 3 finals
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 03 2013 22:18 GMT
#18
Yeah polls just look like fan favorites getting boosted to me. TLO and Grubby haven't really shown any reason recently why they should be any higher.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 12 2013 23:22 GMT
#19
I know, I´m pretty late this time, but I just wanted to compliment you, everything on the top looks pretty accurate. I disagree with a few places further down though, I would put elfi and Hasu above Grubby and TLO.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
December 13 2013 17:00 GMT
#20
your god is not amused.
you know his name.
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NO ELFI?
first we make expand, then we defense it.
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