EPTOn October 08 2013 10:56 miercat wrote:
Blizzard may or may not be an internet company, however, the distinction would only be relevant in this case (ie. being compared to failed internet companies) if Blizzard itself was failing as a business overall (ie. not selling enough products, making bad products, etc).
On the other hand, BW will succeed using a completely different paradigm (like I mentioned before, advertising/viewership/sponsorship). Consequently a future projection of BW's status, based on past analysis of failed internet companies is neither informative nor relevant, whatever the future result may be.
I would actually view this as a positive to many alternatives, however, it seems inconsistent relative to some previous information: Was it not the case that PROLEAGUE teams, and PROLEAGUES (eg. SK Planet Proleague) had trouble securing sponsorships(due to certain other events, besides legal) even before prize caps were implemented? I have heard that in the wake of the scandal, several big sponsors pulled out, as a direct result, and this was a time when the OSL/etc, were still actively looking for large sponsorships...regardless of legal action, finding sponsorships was difficult at this time, due to that occurence.(?)
I was aware that legal action was taken at some point, in some capacity, however, the perspective that "prize caps' were/is the primary reason for the BW scene being low key now ( or even responsible for the changes in 2011/2012 - because if Blizzard has not initiated legal action, subsequent to that which you referenced, then the implication is that the prize caps were responsible for the switch in 2012 as well.) seems a bit at odds with the timeline/facts.
Sonic supplies funds for the SRT, himself, and has it been an issue that the SSL have been getting huge sponsorship offers, but turning them down due to prize caps?
Are prize caps contributing to the low key nature of BW currently, and was legal action a cause for the switch in 2012? Possibly, but I haven't seen specific evidence to support this. It may or may not be/have been, a contributing factor, but to call it the primary reason, seems almost bizarre. (eg. given that sponsorship was/(is?) an ongoing difficulty, with or without prize caps). Although again, if it were truly the case, I would be actually be encouraged, as it would actually be a positive, showing that BW has fundamental strength, in the face of external difficulties.
Can you provide legitimate sourceswith specific details regarding the timeline of team disbandment/PROLEAGUE sponsorship issues, the timeline, and specifics (eg. specific prize cap, etc) of the legal action taken by Blizzard against KeSPA, and the [i]direct result of this legal action, regarding the status of Pro BW? (at least to the extent that the sources would legitimize assertions/implications that:
1) the legal action by Blizzard (ie. prize caps/...?) was the primary cause for switch in 2012, and "low-key" status of current Pro BW -
2) that BW was not experiencing any problems finding sponsors prior to legal action, and that there are current big sponsors who would be willing to sponsor Individual LEAGUE, and PROLEAGUE, and/or SSL, but are being held back specifically by prize caps,---- and not because of the scandal and its effect on the appearance of the Pro BW Scene.)
I'm not exactly sure what you mean - is it a typo?...
Assuming you mean that BW players are more reluctant to play with no Proleague, or that BW fans are more reluctant to watch with no Proleague... Can you tell me on what evidence you are basing this? Even if you are somehow turned out to be correct on this point, I'm not sure it's possible to make such statements at this time. There has been no precedent for INDIVIDUAL LEAGUES without PROLEAGUE, and as far as I remember, OSL/MSL were quite popular both for players and fans. As for the players, a lot of them are retiring, and playing/streaming BW full time, without Proleague... so it just seems like a somewhat bizarre statement... (And again I don't even know that the premise for no Proleague is even accurate, so this point may or may not be relevant)
I stated from the start, that Sponsorship/Viewership is the basis for Pro BW's success. However, the most informed and relevant projection regarding BW's future status, will be gained from examining BW itself, and not other models, which have little relevance.
Blizzard may or may not be an internet company, however, the distinction would only be relevant in this case (ie. being compared to failed internet companies) if Blizzard itself was failing as a business overall (ie. not selling enough products, making bad products, etc).
On the other hand, BW will succeed using a completely different paradigm (like I mentioned before, advertising/viewership/sponsorship). Consequently a future projection of BW's status, based on past analysis of failed internet companies is neither informative nor relevant, whatever the future result may be.
I would actually view this as a positive to many alternatives, however, it seems inconsistent relative to some previous information: Was it not the case that PROLEAGUE teams, and PROLEAGUES (eg. SK Planet Proleague) had trouble securing sponsorships(due to certain other events, besides legal) even before prize caps were implemented? I have heard that in the wake of the scandal, several big sponsors pulled out, as a direct result, and this was a time when the OSL/etc, were still actively looking for large sponsorships...regardless of legal action, finding sponsorships was difficult at this time, due to that occurence.(?)
I was aware that legal action was taken at some point, in some capacity, however, the perspective that "prize caps' were/is the primary reason for the BW scene being low key now ( or even responsible for the changes in 2011/2012 - because if Blizzard has not initiated legal action, subsequent to that which you referenced, then the implication is that the prize caps were responsible for the switch in 2012 as well.) seems a bit at odds with the timeline/facts.
Sonic supplies funds for the SRT, himself, and has it been an issue that the SSL have been getting huge sponsorship offers, but turning them down due to prize caps?
Are prize caps contributing to the low key nature of BW currently, and was legal action a cause for the switch in 2012? Possibly, but I haven't seen specific evidence to support this. It may or may not be/have been, a contributing factor, but to call it the primary reason, seems almost bizarre. (eg. given that sponsorship was/(is?) an ongoing difficulty, with or without prize caps). Although again, if it were truly the case, I would be actually be encouraged, as it would actually be a positive, showing that BW has fundamental strength, in the face of external difficulties.
Can you provide legitimate sourceswith specific details regarding the timeline of team disbandment/PROLEAGUE sponsorship issues, the timeline, and specifics (eg. specific prize cap, etc) of the legal action taken by Blizzard against KeSPA, and the [i]direct result of this legal action, regarding the status of Pro BW? (at least to the extent that the sources would legitimize assertions/implications that:
1) the legal action by Blizzard (ie. prize caps/...?) was the primary cause for switch in 2012, and "low-key" status of current Pro BW -
2) that BW was not experiencing any problems finding sponsors prior to legal action, and that there are current big sponsors who would be willing to sponsor Individual LEAGUE, and PROLEAGUE, and/or SSL, but are being held back specifically by prize caps,---- and not because of the scandal and its effect on the appearance of the Pro BW Scene.)
I'm not exactly sure what you mean - is it a typo?...
Assuming you mean that BW players are more reluctant to play with no Proleague, or that BW fans are more reluctant to watch with no Proleague... Can you tell me on what evidence you are basing this? Even if you are somehow turned out to be correct on this point, I'm not sure it's possible to make such statements at this time. There has been no precedent for INDIVIDUAL LEAGUES without PROLEAGUE, and as far as I remember, OSL/MSL were quite popular both for players and fans. As for the players, a lot of them are retiring, and playing/streaming BW full time, without Proleague... so it just seems like a somewhat bizarre statement... (And again I don't even know that the premise for no Proleague is even accurate, so this point may or may not be relevant)
I stated from the start, that Sponsorship/Viewership is the basis for Pro BW's success. However, the most informed and relevant projection regarding BW's future status, will be gained from examining BW itself, and not other models, which have little relevance.
