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PyreSC
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 18:28:06
September 22 2013 18:21 GMT
#1
      When playing Starcraft, I was very often asked by friends and family, “What is Starcraft?” and “How do you play Starcraft?”. My response was always, “Well, it’s sort of like chess, but faster and more difficult”. On the one hand, who can argue that Starcraft isn’t a faster-paced game? Starcraft is in real time and chess is turn-based. Some Starcraft games end in 5 minutes, while some chess games last for 7 hours! However, I could never have been more wrong when assuming that Starcraft was a harder game than chess. Learning how chess pieces move is one thing, but mastering the art, beauty, and complexity that encompasses it is as different as night and day.

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Optional Backstory:

      If you don’t know who I am, it's because I haven’t logged onto battle.net for about 8 months. Back in September, I joined my high school’s chess club thinking that my strategic brain would easily be able to convert my grandmaster Starcraft abilities into grandmaster chess play. I was terrible at first, and the mere thought of eventually becoming good at chess was slowly slipping away. I lost to every single person in the chess club every week and wondered why I was good at Starcraft and not good at chess. But eventually, the constant defeats and humiliation got to me and I decided to seriously train to become better. The same competitive drive I applied to Starcraft in my humble beginnings was being applied to chess. What began as a side-project to Starcraft shortly took over as I regained the desire to become better at something--the same something that attracted me so much to Starcraft in the first place.

      With this ambition, I was lucky enough to fall under RevTiberius's wing and become a chess student of his. Soon enough, I started to see results. It was not long before my first competition happened, which was the culmination of all the high schools nearby and I got third place. Good right? Well, not as good as I had hoped. All this did was tell me that I still had a really long road ahead of me. But after several hours a day of studying and playing from January to now, I can confidently say that my chess is at a decent level (approximately 1800 ELO from 1000 ELO) and I hope to continue at the same rate during my stay at UCSD.
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      “We ain’t so different you and I”. It’s true. Both Starcraft and chess are similar games where both players start evenly and through smart decision making, the better player should win. There are starting imbalances very similar to that of terran, protoss, and zerg, although I doubt “white” is going to get patched anytime soon. There is a large amount of theory, strategy, and overall knowledge required in both games to be successful. Taking expansions in Starcraft is the same as developing your pieces and castling (bringing your king to safety, while bringing your rook into the game) in chess. Going for a baneling bust, or a 6 pool, is very similar to the infamous “Scholar’s mate” (trying to checkmate your opponent in 4 moves) in chess or even just moving your queen out too early and trying to do damage with it.

      The strategy in both games is really no different. In both games, you build an army and often there is a main fight that decides the game. For all you positional, quiet players who like to “turtle” in Starcraft, guess what? You can do that in chess, too--just close up the position with pawns and its equivalent to a widow mine and siege tank line! And for all you attacking players who like blink stalker openings, roach baneling busts, and 1/1/1s, there’s aggressive type play in chess as well with what are known as gambits (sacrificing material for hyperaggression).

      Both games have gone through changing times and changing ideas throughout their existence. In the beginning of Starcraft 2 in 2010, everyone (including zergs) opened on 1 base and it remained that way until even the 7 minute mark. Struggling, zergs eventually realized that they needed the extra larvae and they needed the extra base, so they started going hatch first. As a response, terrans started making reactor hellions to start putting pressure on the expansion. These are examples of trends. From the 1500s-1800s, chess players strived to control the center immediately and valued fast development. However, at the dawn of the 20th century, ideas changed and certain people (called “hypermodernists”) decided that as a response, chess players could let their opponent control the center at first, but then flank attack it later! This idea had never been seen before, but it changed the way people thought chess was played and it led to even more innovation further down the road.

      Tournaments are seen in both chess and Starcraft 2 at the professional level and the amateur level. One of the most intriguing things I had found out about when I first started getting into chess was the fact that most local chess tournaments have sections. This was a new thing to me, as no Starcraft tournament I ever went to had a “diamond-only” section or a “platinum-only” section with cash prizes for them too. This seemed genius to me. Everyone who participated in these chess tournaments had something to play for. They weren’t just going to get “beat by a gm, then watch”.

      There are also chess pros, just like there are Starcraft pros. The “Flash” of chess would be either Garry Kasparov or Bobby Fischer. Both of these chess players are legends of their time and have been internationally recognized outside of the chess world. The “Taeja” or “Mvp” of chess would be Magnus Carlsen. Magnus Carlsen is currently the world #1 at only 22 years old! He is a superstar in his own world just as Starcraft players are in theirs.

      If you’re a fan of just one of these games, then I highly encourage you to try the other. As a non-Starcraft player, if you feel intimidated by the speed at which Starcraft is played, let me assure you that you don’t need 450 APM to be good. Plenty of successful Starcraft players, like Polt, are able to out-think and outplay their opponents purely out of strategy, tactics, and immense game knowledge. If you play Starcraft and have never gotten into chess, then just imagine you’re playing Starcraft except without the APM and constant movements--just the strategic portion. Nothing can match the pleasure of beating someone in a game of raw intellectual strength.

If you guys want, feel free to follow my progress at revtiberius.blogspot.com
ucsd~
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
September 22 2013 18:26 GMT
#2
Blogs?
oh, hai
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
September 22 2013 18:35 GMT
#3
On September 23 2013 03:26 HornyHerring wrote:
Blogs?

Blogs.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
xaeravoq
Profile Joined October 2012
50 Posts
September 22 2013 18:35 GMT
#4
if you like to turtle in SC then you will love the Hippo opening in chess
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
September 22 2013 19:00 GMT
#5
WHY CANT I RATE THIS BLOG >
But seriously, good insight in chess.
When cats speak, mice listen.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
September 22 2013 21:20 GMT
#6
wow you honestly thought chess was easier than starcraft? :p
decent read
charliezz10
Profile Joined January 2013
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 21:47:49
September 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#7
I play both chess and sc2 i would say im around 1600-1800 elo chess player i play for my county i actually played chess first, all the thing's you said are true however i would say chess doesn't have a fog of war, all the moves have an X amount an things can be forced in chess, in chess it's much more to do who far can you think into the game, where as in sc2 i would say there is an element of risk a 50/50 chance coin flip if you like,for example the a hidden dt shrine or stargate can win you a game in chess none of this is true, everything is laid bare there is is no move which is hidden you might not see it but it's there, this is similar to a fog of war however its about your indpendent skill, not about being caught of guard.

I'm a master Zerg player and master terran, player i would say that chess is a game of straight forward tactics, however sc2 is much more yet, the two are so different yet so similar. I'm not sure if any of you ever played Age of empires 2 but it was a game where the trailer showed the units you used as pieces of a board dunno it's intresting the similarty between chess and Rts games will allways be made. An while in hear they may be the same they are totaly different.

Very nice read btw if you ever want a game hit me up
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada379 Posts
September 22 2013 23:17 GMT
#8
I'm Australian and when I was growing up, never really heard Bobby Fischer mentioned in the same breath as modern greats like Kasparov, Karpov, Kramnik; or historical greats like Tal, Lasker, Capablanca. Wondering if there is an American-centric focus on him?
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
September 23 2013 00:20 GMT
#9
I too, have been learning chess.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
labrats5
Profile Joined September 2013
1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 08:31:55
September 23 2013 06:17 GMT
#10
Bobby Fischer is indeed one of the greats. Chess analysts regard him as either the second or third strongest of all time, behind Kasparov and sometimes Karpov. At his peak, he was undoubtably farther above he peers than any man in modern chess history. During his candidates matches in 1971 he swept his first 2 rivals, not losing or even drawing a single game. Keep in mind that the draw is by far the most common result in professional chess. In total he won 20 straight games against the top GMs in the world. This feat has never been rivaled in the modern era. He then decisively defeated Tigran Petrosian and Boris Spassky to become the world champion. After all was said and done, his elo was a staggering 120 points higher than his nearest rival: an unprecedented achievement.
Treenut
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
September 23 2013 08:02 GMT
#11
Nice to compare chess and starcraft 2, but the biggest difference between the games is the level of information. Chess is Pure strategic game due to FULL information. with starcraft 2 fog of war you don't always have full information therefore your strategic movements can be wrong, therefore strategic thinking is less important. Ofcoures i know with better skill your information in sc2 can be near perfect...but stil.

As for playing ... starcraft also requires some sort of hand eye coordination and not everyone can learn this well enough to get out of gold, as for chess you only require a brain that functions to play.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 09:48:07
September 23 2013 09:46 GMT
#12
There is also an equivalent to "Manner" Mules/Nexus/Hatchery etc. in chess.

If you're facing an opponent who has clearly lost the game but is refusing to resign, you can have some fun. Underpromote your pawns to Knights or Bishops and checkmate him with those. If you have enough pieces that is, and make sure not to stalemate.

It can be fun to humiliate your opponent sometimes until he ggs.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
September 23 2013 17:26 GMT
#13
Microing dem pieces like a boss.
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
September 23 2013 19:10 GMT
#14
Here's an excellent Chess-Starcraft blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=270708
Awesomedrifter
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada62 Posts
September 23 2013 23:44 GMT
#15
One thing that kinda ruined the romantic image of chess I had was that you can get a computer program that can beat the best player in the world and run it.

I am not too sure about SC with that crazy ling splitting bot and what not though....
http://awesomedrifter.com/
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