• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:52
CEST 17:52
KST 00:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors13[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers22Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2574 users

Coaching Woes

Blogs > Fission
Post a Reply
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 17:34:45
June 26 2013 17:26 GMT
#1
I find teaching to be one of the single most rewarding experiences I can engage in. There's something entirely unique about helping somebody else realize their potential, to share your passion with another person, to try to spare them the hardship you personally endured in gaining the knowledge you now share. I'd be a professional teacher if it were a viable career choice in my country, but alas...

I really love SC2 coaching. But finding people to coach, who actually want to learn, is challenging. Really challenging.

It's not that there aren't people who jump at the opportunity to 'be coached', there are. But there are not many people who a) want to learn and b) are willing to put in actual effort that I've found. Or they believe that they want to put in effort, but when push comes to shove, it's just too much work.

Most frequently I encounter low level players who seem to honestly and seriously desire to improve, but their mentality is so fundamentally broken that it prevents the possibility of any real progress. I can't even describe how conversations like the following make me feel (example):

Player: I really want to get to silver/gold/plat league, I am willing to do anything!
Fission: Let's go over some replays of you playing, from your camera point of view, and you narrate the game.
Player: No, I already know what I'm doing wrong. I'm executing Flash/Innovations build, but I can't quite handle doing 8 drops at the same time, and then my macro slips in the late game.
Fission: I see. Let's go into a replay and have a look at your basics, like SCV production and number of production builds.
Player: I already told you, I'm doing Flash's build, obviously my scv production and everything is fine.
Fission: With all due respect, it's likely not fine - if you were executing the build as well as Flash, you would not be in Bronze/silver/gold/plat etc
Player: You're wrong, there's nothing wrong with my macro. I don't want to waste time talking about it. I just can't deal with how overpowered Z/P/Hellbats are, and cheese, that's the only reason I'm in my current league.
Fission: I don't think I can help you. Sorry. Good luck.


Obviously this is a fictional conversation and not representative of all low level players (I'm not claiming it is at all, don't hate me), but it has come up numerous times when I go to various coaching groups, like the reddit AllThingsTerran group etc.

I almost wonder if the reason it seems to be like this is because if any low level player both had the desire to improve, and the mentality to improve, they wouldn't be in lower leagues long and wouldn't need coaching. But I'm not so sure about that, because I've personally paid for coaching before, and I don't think my mentality is that bad (although it's probably my #1 biggest impediment, and my post history reveals me to be something of a whiner, which is a personal defect I've worked to address ).

I've helped a few people out before successfully, and it's always really rewarding for everybody involved. I particularly enjoy obsing a stream and "avataring" them (giving instructions while they play). I remember one game where I was avataring for a mid masters player and after they perfectly defended an 8 gate (back in WoL) due to some good scouting and poor P execution, I told them to take their bio army and 1a the P natural. The player was all "no way dude, that wont work, I'll lose, it's a bad idea", and I convinced him to do it. Sure enough, the P player had like 1 zealot and a sentry and instantly gg'ed. My trainee was just speechless and then asked the million dollar question : "how did you know?" That's how learning happens.


Long story short, I enjoy teaching and wish I could find people who also enjoy learning To other people like to teach: have you encountered this stuff? How do you deal with it?

PS: If you're a bronze-diamond player who loves learning and who wants a (free) coach... send me a message.



balls516
Profile Joined June 2013
China35 Posts
June 26 2013 23:11 GMT
#2
why isnt teaching viable in canada?
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
June 27 2013 00:09 GMT
#3
It pays poorly, teachers are treated fairly badly by the public, they work long hours and often have lots of stress. But mostly I dislike how teachers are constrained to teaching a fixed rigid test-focused curriculum and there's not much room for innovation or passion.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .288
RotterdaM 198
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6698
Sea 2504
Jaedong 1353
Hyuk 1048
EffOrt 1014
Stork 481
actioN 426
BeSt 334
ggaemo 325
Rush 200
[ Show more ]
Hyun 138
PianO 86
Free 50
[sc1f]eonzerg 49
Nal_rA 47
Barracks 44
Killer 42
ToSsGirL 36
Sacsri 30
Shinee 26
Sexy 25
ajuk12(nOOB) 24
Bale 21
910 21
soO 21
HiyA 17
GoRush 14
Terrorterran 12
Dewaltoss 1
Dota 2
qojqva2922
BananaSlamJamma210
Counter-Strike
byalli676
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King61
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor212
Other Games
singsing2284
B2W.Neo1216
hiko830
ceh9461
crisheroes280
KnowMe60
Trikslyr40
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV389
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream362
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 46
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 20
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3863
Other Games
• WagamamaTV293
• Shiphtur170
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
9m
Replay Cast
8h 9m
Replay Cast
17h 9m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 9m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 17h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.