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TheJaKaTaK Clan [JKTK]
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JaKaTaKSc2
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conkerfan11
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Loyal fan from the start. Always online. Nice + helpful, but I can troll  | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Antylamon
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Antylamon
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The individual teams are clans. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327149 This thread is a bit outdated since Diamonds were added and there are a few more games each round. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
What other things does your clan do? | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
In addition, linking to LessWrong when mentioning rational discussion raises more questions than it answers. Do you require your members to read some or all of the Sequences, or parts of them, in order to be shown as committing to rational discussion? If so, which parts? All in all, the clan's goals seem rather unfocused. You seem to have three goals: Have nice players. Fair enough. Play casually, with stuff like the triathlon and trolling people in team games. Okay. Have your members demonstrate an awareness of common fallacies and rational thinking. Wait, what? It seems to me that the latter goal would be worthy of a clan on it's own, but placed with these other goals it just seems weird. And discussion of what? What audience is the clan meant to attract? It seems meant to attract people who are both amateur Bayesian rationalists and casual SC2 players who enjoy team games and FFA. That's...a really narrow audience. And yet, despite this, you name your clan with your own name, thus implying the clan is for fans of your work. When I saw "TheJaKaTaK Clan" my very first thought was that it was a clan about the Staircase and the Core, but it doesn't mention that once. All in all, it just seems rather unfocused as a goal. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 21 2013 13:32 Salivanth wrote: Have nice players. Fair enough. Play casually, with stuff like the triathlon and trolling people in team games. Okay. Have your members demonstrate an awareness of common fallacies and rational thinking. Wait, what? Haha, that's exactly what I was thinking. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Fair enough.Regarding ninazerg's post. I responded to it in the way that I did because I found nothing particularly compelling or constructive about his argument. Appeals to Authority are the #1 fallacy we (the clan) find in Sc2 arguments so we thought it was worth mentioning specifically. Perhaps it is redundant with commitment to rationality over emotion. ninazerg mentions that the clan doesn't sound "fun" at all, which is not our primary goal. The purpose is to assemble a group of people that will work together to make Sc2 more fun and less frustrating, partially through work and discussion on tools like TheCore and TheStaircase, and partially through offering coaching and guidance. Which, to me, is fun. But I don't think that, based on this post, ninazerg would find this particularly fun. I am looking for a specific group of people. Perhaps linking lesswrong was too specific. I will attempt to reiterate: I am looking for people to discuss and debate new and existing ways to improve player's Sc2 experience. Part of this is the actual discussion, and part of this is going out and finding people to help. As well as offering a base at which players can seek out help. I do am looking for people who are interested in rational discussions. People who are comfortable admitting when they are wrong and analyzing their own biases. Not people who can do these things 100% of the time, but people who are trying to. I do think that this is a very narrow audience. My intention is not for this clan to be popular, but to be effective. | ||
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
 EDIT: fixed it It seems as though I've entered the land of many posts. So many high post TL accounts here. Why do you think that is? | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 22 2013 00:28 JaKaTaK wrote: ninazerg mentions that the clan doesn't sound "fun" at all, which is not our primary goal. So having fun is secondary to... The purpose is to assemble a group of people that will work together to make Sc2 more fun and less frustrating, partially through work and discussion on tools like TheCore and TheStaircase, and partially through offering coaching and guidance. Which, to me, is fun. But I don't think that, based on this post, ninazerg would find this particularly fun. So your primary goal isn't to create a fun environment but, rather, to create a fun environment? WHICH IS IT? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. | ||
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TFS
United States53 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Having fun is secondary to helping others with their frustrations so that they can have fun. @TFS I agree, and will amend the OP. Thanks | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
We've encountered an issue making the Saturation Speed less dependent on strategy. Working on this now LIVE. Feel free to stop in and try to take a crack at it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374400¤tpage=51 | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32084 Posts
also i agree with what salivanth and ninazerg said | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I'm sorry if I offended you. It was not my intention. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 22 2013 19:42 JaKaTaK wrote: @nina Having fun is secondary to helping others with their frustrations so that they can have fun. What is the motivation for doing this? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 24 2013 00:35 JaKaTaK wrote: To make Starcraft 2 more fun and less frustrating for as many people as we can help. How did you pick that name, JKTK, for the clan? | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On June 24 2013 12:42 ninazerg wrote: How did you pick that name, JKTK, for the clan? You're mean. In my opinion JKTK is the best option since vowels are largely redundant. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 24 2013 12:46 CecilSunkure wrote: You're mean. In my opinion JKTK is the best option since vowels are largely redundant. YOUR MOM IS LARGELY REDUNDANT. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I didn't want to have to recreate a new name, so I named it JKTK. I should have realized this would be received critically as narcissistic, but we all make mistakes. Still, I don't see a particular reason JKTK is bad name, and I couldn't think of any alternatives. But if the members of the clan are interested in a name change I'm down to talk about it | ||
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ninazerg
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JaKaTaKSc2
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ninazerg
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On June 25 2013 05:36 JaKaTaK wrote: Very funny nina I'm not on the roster, what gives? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 25 2013 06:39 JaKaTaK wrote: We don't believe you. Based on what? Because I joke around? I thought On June 21 2013 04:33 JaKaTaK wrote: Well-mannered trolling is always encouraged Now, I may have to review all my comments, but I was very gentle and didn't call any names. I highly encourage you to reconsider your stance asaply. I am very powerful. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
Don't you mean MM? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
you are now threating us? that really doesn't make much sense. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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ninazerg
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I'll see you on Sc2 and invite. Goto TheJaKaChaT group whenever you're online | ||
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fengshaun
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I won't be active until September, can I reserve a spot? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
On June 21 2013 12:35 ninazerg wrote: This clan doesn't sound fun at all. Especially the weird rules about appeals to authority and rational discussion. Why not just add the rules "Do not commit Gambler's Fallacy", or "No Begging The Question", or "Don't Appeal to Nature", or "Reductio ad Hitlerum is not allowed"? You speak bullshit | ||
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conkerfan11
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
EDIT: Whichever match ends up working out first, play that one. Both should be in the proper channels whenever they're online. | ||
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conkerfan11
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Phrostbite
United States6 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
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fengshaun
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conkerfan11
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Conkerfan: 1 Ninjury: 0 Due to time restraints, the remaining matches will be played another day. | ||
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ninazerg
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greeNSIdE
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JaKaTaKSc2
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mizU
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Phrostbite
United States6 Posts
. I watch more than I play as well. I did play two games against conkerfan and we still need to have a game 3 to decide who wins the BO3 Granted I six pooled so I kind of cheated my only win though | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Poisonpez
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JaKaTaKSc2
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Originally I made a poll, but then quickly realized people could troll the shit out of us on it. If you're a member, please post times where it works out best for you. | ||
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Poisonpez
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dsjoerg
United States384 Posts
But seriously, if one seeks to rationally maximize some kind of "Fun Utility Function", or FUF for short, where do we end up? The blind pursuit of pleasure is a quick and slippery slope to... someplace slippery. Probably looks a lot like 4chan, or maybe gaulzi's stream. Tortilla chips with the guacamole already baked in, basically cheating. Yeah we end up being a hacking clan. OK everyone post your favorite hack. FUF 4EVA | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I wouldn't call this the blind pursuit of pleasure. Maybe fun is the wrong word. There are a lot of people playing Starcraft right now that are frustrated with their lack of improvement, or with Sc2 in general. Something is preventing them from enjoying and getting the most out of the game. Maybe its a bad mentality, like blaming Blizzard for making IMBA units whenever they lose a game, or maybe it is a lack of understanding in some critical, basic aspect of the game, like the importance of macro. The goal is to work together to find ways that alleviate these frustrations so that more people can enjoy Starcraft. Not in a short term, "what is fun right now", but in more of a long term, "what will help players to feel awesome playing Starcraft, building self esteem through their improvement and learning to be self-critical (among other things). I think something that I need to communicate more clearly in the OP is that JKTK is focused on helping others. While we'll be doing fun events, tournaments, etc as well as using JKTK as a network to find practice partners, the main goal is go out and find people that are struggling and offer them help. What exactly this "help" is, is up to JKTK as a whole to experiment and figure out over time. | ||
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Deathblood
United States3 Posts
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Ehtele
Norway8 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Ehtele
Norway8 Posts
I am Ehtele#432 Do I have to be online when somebody adds me? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Poisonpez
United States5 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I'm not sure why the players who are interested in joining have a low post count. Probably because its not really a competitive clan so there are less veterans (who would have been posting on TL for a while now) and more newbies. Your guess is as good as mine though | ||
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conkerfan11
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Remmington
United States1 Post
I may not be able to do the troll games on Wednesdays until September or October, but I'd be happy to hang out with you guys when i get online. I am Remmington #587. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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TheLaztZerghunter
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conkerfan11
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Clan meetings are Wednesdays after the stream (4-5pm PDT) | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
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conkerfan11
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I need a good clan run 1v1 tourny. Just let me know when the next one is Jak! :D | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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WorthyProbe
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-Worthy | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
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JaKaTaKSc2
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Clan meeting/training sessions are Wednesdays at 3pm until 6pm. If that doesn't work for you we're trying to get something going on a weekend day.A Reminder of Clan Rules: No BM, ever for any reason, we're trying to make Sc2 a better place to be. Always be in TheJaKaChaT Group Chat and TheJaKaTaK Clan Chat on Sc2 (Once we get you in there | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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WorthyProbe
United States3 Posts
I look forward to gaming with all of you.  | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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conkerfan11
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JaKaTaKSc2
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@Zerghunter That sounds excellent. Practice hard for your match, gl hf :D EDIT: @Deathblood Will you organize a team practice on Saturdays? Talk to people and find the best time and set it all up. Have someone stream it if you like. Its your project, make it excellent | ||
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conkerfan11
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WHY DONT YOU LOVE ME!?!? I WANT MY GAMES STREAMED  They'd probably more interesting than someone else's game... Not naming names, but *Cough* Zerghunter *Cough*. :D <-- I wish I could Kappa on TL | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
On July 30 2013 08:58 conkerfan11 wrote: @JaKaTaK WHY DONT YOU LOVE ME!?!? I WANT MY GAMES STREAMED They'd probably more interesting than someone else's game... Not naming names, but *Cough* Zerghunter *Cough*. :D <-- I wish I could Kappa on TL I believe its more fun streaming people who aren't extremely good because they aren't predictable at all. I mean "Oh my gosh, Zerghunter is sending out his drones! What is he doing?!" Its better:D | ||
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conkerfan11
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On July 30 2013 14:07 TheLaztZerghunter wrote: I believe its more fun streaming people who aren't extremely good because they aren't predictable at all. I mean "Oh my gosh, Zerghunter is sending out his drones! What is he doing?!" Its better:D But i'm not even good. lol. You and me both are in Plat, no? I am a pretty unpredictable player | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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conkerfan11
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WorthyProbe
United States3 Posts
Sorry to butt in here guys, but just my $0.02... :D | ||
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
@WorthyProbe No need to apologize for butting in. I always prefer having other players helping in such affairs. I like how you basically broke it all down and i agree 100%. In my opinion, I enjoy Bronze League Heroes more than pros. So i'm gonna have this all end. We'll put this aside for now and see who's matches are more entertaining through Wednesday 1v1's. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
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teuthida
United States104 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
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SPARTAN-001
United States10 Posts
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TheLaztZerghunter
United States14 Posts
On August 20 2013 06:31 SPARTAN-001 wrote: Getting back into SC2, so I might as well hop on board! Sweet! I've been waiting for someone new, I'll attempt to get a hold of jak and let him know you're interested. Unless he sees this. | ||
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SPARTAN-001
United States10 Posts
On August 21 2013 15:20 TheLaztZerghunter wrote: Sweet! I've been waiting for someone new, I'll attempt to get a hold of jak and let him know you're interested. Unless he sees this. Already done, not to worry. JaK was the one who invited me. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
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