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The TvZ OLD Thorzain opener with NEW

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buchaa Pakistan77 Posts May 07 2013 07:56 GMT #1 So I've been a die hard fan of Thorzain around about when I saw his games against fruit dealer and the likes of boss tosses in TSL3. I followed him slump down to not being known, losing to Ret and Naniwa in the EURO series. But then I also saw him get back up in a close series against DRG later. Anyways, this post aint about my Thorzain crush, rather about something he used to do very often as a mousesports player, but stopped doing it once he moved to EG. In all TvZ matchups if you would perhaps remember correctly, he opened 3 command centers behind just the single marine, adding his 3rd before the 5min mark. 1 of the only problems he's face were from early roach aggression, or roach baneling busts. Don't we have the widow mine to stop that to quite an extent now? The only reason I post this here in a blog rather than the sc2 strategy section as a guide is because I'm still Diamond. Don't intend to be for too long, but hey "NOT GOOD ENUFF YET" Otherwise this is my MMMM BUILD This works in HOTS more than it did in WOL imo. That's why I think its so great. So the build starts with 14 gas, only 2 in it till you get the OC. A rax between your gas and cc for 6 pool defense, and then the 3rd CC just before you get the hellions moving out. I just blindly build 2 mines after the 4th hellion, and cancel them if I scout 3bases/a lot of macro/gasless zerg etc. Before building Barracks 2 and 3, I prefer building Engy bays 1 and 2, depending on the scout of course, cuz you just gotta be as greedy as possible. So the game's right down here where I was roach banes all-ind(not the best execution I've seen if I would say so myself), do post back if you want me to detail this post more or add replays . And oh feel free to start with the, "YOU'RE DIAMOND!! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!! YOUR BUILD SUCKS!!!" All welcome http://drop.sc/331570

BEARDiaguz Australia2362 Posts May 07 2013 12:29 GMT #2 This was Thorzain's strategy pre queen range buff. faster hellion openers are much less useful against range 5 queens. So it's ok to get CC's faster which is what he does now. You will sometimes see terrans opening gas before expansion for hellions (gumiho comes to mind) and generally it's cuz they're doing something really funky. I do remember this build too though. Fun times.

Coriolis United States1152 Posts May 07 2013 13:30 GMT #3 I've been doing exactly this. You can hold off basically any aggression that comes at you via the widow mines, and the hellions are still pretty good even with 5 range queens.

buchaa Pakistan77 Posts May 07 2013 15:41 GMT #4 The hellions I still think provide great map control, and are great scouts as to what the zerg is doing, and what he's hitting you with. If I didn't make hellions, I'd probably never know if the zerg's taken a 3rd, or is coming at me with roaches or whatever else may be going on. The reason I for one don't use reapers against zerg is because I just dont have the multi tasking

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