EPTStructural unpaid overtime - Page 2
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
If time is more valuable than salary to you then just tell management. Negotiate a lesser wage on the condition you're not expected to do unpaid overtime. If you don't think you're getting a fair wage to begin with then leave the company citing that. If they value you they should be prepared to make some accession. | ||
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NemesisTrestkon
Philippines17 Posts
But seriously though, the overtime I had to go through is always paid up. Not much, but at least it's something. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
If I can work from home from time to time and not bound to my desk at 8am in the morning AKA i can turn up 10-20 minutes late and no one gives a fuck then it's not such a bad deal. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
People are getting compensated for their work even if they are working overtime without pay. You just have to average your total salary/income over all the hours to get a real picture of your income. Chances are, a lot of the people who work overtime without pay are actually making more per hour than the people who have mandated pay with overtime. Because people who are willing to work hard without explicitly mandated pay are going to go farther than people who are inflexible and make dramatic declarations of slavery. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
Some jobs have work where you have to be there for a certain number of hours because other people rely on you working specific times. For example working in a shop. In these cases it is impossible to manage your own time. In this case you should be paid for turning up for work and doing every hour you work. In order to be reasonable it is standard for people working shifts to turn up a little early to buffer the change over of workers. Other jobs, you have a certain amount of work to do. In this case being paid by the hour is just an arbitrary device used for ease of accounting. In this case you can manage the time you work either by being more efficient, or by managing the expectations of how much work you are required to do. My job is kind of a mixture of both, having times when I must work, and also needing to prepare things during other times. Although I work more hours than the job minimally requires, I see the salary as a monthly amount for the amount of work I do. It's my job to decide whether I want to do a mediocre job and do minimal hours, or put a few more hours in a month and do a really good job. I like doing a good job, and I think it will benefit me in the long run. | ||
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
I also think it's a misnomer to call it unpaid overtime when you're not being paid an hourly wage. If you're being paid an annual salary, the contract might say a certain number of hours, but certainly the expectation is that you'll do a certain amount of work in those hours, and if you can't, then no harm done, work extra. I'll leave you with a comment made by one of my PhD advisors - "Academia is great, you get to set your own hours, pick any 100 a week you like." | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
If the company asks you to give them extra labor for no extra money, then ask them to give you extra money for no extra labor. See how they respond to that. | ||
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BirdKiller
United States428 Posts
If you're paid by wages, then you should be getting paid for overtime because you're getting paid for every hour you work. If you're paid in salary, then you don't really have a fixed amount of time you're supposed to work, so long as you get the work done and support the work of others, because you're getting paid to meet a set of goals and responsibilities, not by time. There could be weeks where you would work more than 40 hours per week but also work less than 20 hours, and still get paid the same. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On January 14 2013 15:51 BirdKiller wrote: Okay, now I see the divergence of opinions being based on whether your work is paid either by wages or salary: If you're paid by wages, then you should be getting paid for overtime because you're getting paid for every hour you work. If you're paid in salary, then you don't really have a fixed amount of time you're supposed to work, so long as you get the work done and support the work of others, because you're getting paid to meet a set of goals and responsibilities, not by time. There could be weeks where you would work more than 40 hours per week but also work less than 20 hours, and still get paid the same. Well, not really. At least not around here. Even if you're paid a salary, it clearly states the amount of hours you are supposed to work each week (Standard is 40 or 38,5 for a full time job). Thus, every hour you work in addition must be regarded as classic overtime and compensated. | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
Also in most places it is illegal to work more than 48 hours/week (8 hours overtime) except in special circumstances. Some places spread out the overtime over a few weeks if they go over that quota in a busy week. But yes, the actual practice means people will work as much as their told or be replaced. The overtime is never counted and law is broken. I usually work 39-43 hours/week. I would most likely ask for the extra hours if I would feel like it would get too much during a week, but that has never happened. Team estimates tasks anyway so we know how fast we can work. My boss actually asked someone that worked too much to GTFO out of the office or they wouldn't get any new tasks assigned for the amount of time he worked overtime. Our actual workday here is 6 hours (allowing for meetings, random stuff, doing nothing). I tried 1.5 jobs once (9H for one - lunch hour is compulsory + 4H for another + 1H travel between them). With 1H travel home, that was absolute crap. And I do believe I'm good enough at what I do to refuse to do too much overtime and not have to worry about my next job (never happened yet, too much overtime that is). | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
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