• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:50
CEST 14:50
KST 21:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris23Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Joined effort Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD New season has just come in ladder BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group B [ASL20] Ro24 Group C BWCL Season 63 Announcement [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050 Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2008 users

Fantasy Proleague 2012-13 R1 thoughts

Blogs > Shady Sands
Post a Reply
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 02:02:32
January 02 2013 02:01 GMT
#1
R1 Review

General thoughts on picking teams

First, I tried to go for players that felt like they could punch above their cost in FPL points. This automatically removed players such as and Flash (10pts) Rain (12pts) and Jaedong (8pts) from my list, because they cost way too much for a basically uncertain payoff.

Second, I tried to pick three or four "core players" rather than making sure that all my players were point generators, since I didn't want to win by making a bunch of bets and getting lucky, but rather by identifying good player deals.

Third, I thought that Zerg would be pretty gimped following the infestor patch--mainly because Zerg players which did well in prior Proleague rounds and had high $ costs would now underperform their valuations. Hence I tried to avoid relying on Z players to get me points.

Fourth, I thought that with their practice time split between Proleague and international leagues and GSTL, EG-TL would be pretty weak, and definitely not worth the 6$ cost. This impacted my anti- more than my main-team selection.

Fifth, I realized that absolute strength in Fantasy proleague is worth less than relative strength on a team. Basically, an A minus player in a B level team will earn a lot more points than an A player on an A team, because that A minus player will get sent out more, and ace matches are always a chance for huge points.

The team

Main:
(T)Fantasy -- Team captain
I picked Fantasy as my captain because he was the most consistent 7-point player. Basically, I ranked him on the same level as Soulkey, but he was cheaper and got to benefit from the "Flash/Rain effect." I felt like there was a 25-30% chance he would be ace in any given match involving SKT1, plus he had a really good record in the last SPL.

(P)Stats
I picked Stats because I wanted exposure to what I call the "Flash/Rain effect". Basically, players spend so much time prepping against S-class aces that they suffer when paired against good A-teamers on the same team as the ace. Plus, Stats was cheap at only 5 points, while he accumulated a sick record in the prior season of proleague.

(P)herO[jOin]
I picked hero[join] because he had the potential to get big points. He, Baby, and Taeja were the three cheapest aces (all at 7 points). In retrospect, I probably should have traded him for Rain, Flash, or Bogus after his monstrous 2nd week, but I'm still satisfied with the initial pick.

(P)sHy
Shy was my dark horse. I wasn't expecting him to get more than 15 or 20 points over the course of R1, because I thought WJS would rely on Soulkey as the ace 100% of the time. However, I knew he was a strong player with excellent PvP and there was an off chance he would be sent out as a sniper. Plus, he was on WJS, which I expected to do really well in PL. In retrospect, though, I should have gotten Action and Wooki for what I spent on Shy, but overall I'm satisfied with the choice.

(Z)Hyuk --> traded out for (Z)Alone prior to week 3
I got Hyuk to get me exposure to SKT1, which I felt would do pretty well in the PL, but which I also felt was more expensive than WJS, who I thought would do equally well. Hyuk did just that--never getting sent out and earning 1 point every time SKT1 won. In week 3, I took a gamble and swapped him for Alone because I saw Alone was playing another no-name (Mini). It didn't work out that week, but Alone then beat herO[jOin], so I guess it was a good hedging strategy?

(P)BisAnG
I got BisAnG to get exposure to WJS, just like Hyuk and SKT1.

Team:
Woongjin Stars
So I picked Woongjin because they had a +19 game differential in the last season of Proleague. Given that Fantasy pays out more for a 4-0 than a 4-3, that +19 game differential meant a lot of hidden value in WJS for me.

Obviously, I should have picked KT, but I think everyone was surprised by Action and Wooki's ridiculous overperformance this round.

Anti:
(Z)Jaedong
I should have picked Stephano here. I would have picked Stephano had I done my homework and found out he was staying in France for a while. Bad choice on my part. Jaedong did, however, underperform relative to his 8$ valuation, but 16 points is still painful.

(T)IdrA
With Jaedong, Stephano, and Zenio in EG-TL, I just didn't see room for a fourth EG zerg on the lineup.

(T)Classic
Out of all the 3 point players, he had the worst record in the last round of Proleague.

Results

Main: 138 points
Anti: -24 points
Trade tax: -1
Total: 113 points, 33rd place overall



Post-mortem

Things to work on:

I think my strategy did pretty well, but it'll be hard to replicate it next season, because valuations will be a lot more fair.

I also think I should have been a traded more. I should have especially ditched hero[join] after week 2, but I got lazy and didn't do it.

In that same vein, I should have been more tactical. I completely missed EG's weak lineup in W1 versus KT, and that cost me a lot of points, as even though I thought KT was merely mediocre, I could have easily ditched KT week 2 for WJS.

I should have done my homework on Jaedong and Stephano. And I had a great $4 pick as well: Shine.

Things I missed but shouldn't blame myself for:

The performance of KT Rolster this round was extraordinary. As a diehard KT fan, it made me really happy. As a FPL player I was a little bewildered. I don't think anyone predicted the runaway success of KT, and especially the remarkable consistency of Action and Wooki. Hats off to them.

Samsung Khan's horrific underperformance. I thought Khan was overvalued and their last season's performance was kind of flukey, but I didn't expect them to screw the pooch this badly. By extension, Shine's horrific underperformance also deserves mention here. I thought Shine was overvalued, but I didn't know he'd go 0-5.

Overall

A good FPL season, but still many areas of potential improvement. Congrats to everyone who beat me in FPL; I'll get you next time!

***
Что?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 02:44:59
January 02 2013 02:42 GMT
#2
I created a team I named "Last Place". I then proceeded to pick KT for team and all KT people. Currently fifth place since I have a massive amount of minus points from that part.

I had no idea it would work out, I have no clue who is good in SC2 now a days. ^^ If KT tanks my rating will drop very quickly though since I am planing to go for ironman (or whatever they call the no trade award).

Good luck in the remainder.

Edit,

I was going to join KT fans group, then I checked the members and two had Bisu in their teams.
legoboomette
Profile Joined December 2011
England165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 04:18:21
January 02 2013 04:17 GMT
#3
Yeah my main team is basically KT, and Flash as captain is also carrying my team. I have JD on anti too though

Edit: I'm one of those 2
Won(*3*)Chu KissMe!
TerranosaurusWrecks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada187 Posts
January 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#4
i'm placed pretty embarrassingly low, i chose sea as my captain just to be cool and didn't realize that it meant i wouldn't be able to trade him, now that he retired i'm pretty much screwed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Like you can train a n00b, but they will just be a trained n00b."
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
January 02 2013 10:26 GMT
#5
I had a good first couple of weeks, but when TaeJa started playing and winning, along with JYP, I dropped like a stone. I'm at something like -50 or something because of it.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 12:50:54
January 02 2013 12:50 GMT
#6
There's always round 2!
Moderator
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
January 02 2013 13:49 GMT
#7
My favorite blogger is back!
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 02 2013 15:39 GMT
#8
My thoughts: WHY KHAN WHY
...
[TLMS] REBOOT
Split Behemoth
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
France104 Posts
January 02 2013 23:00 GMT
#9
I picked Fantasy as a captain too, with basically the same main idea as you. After that i made a good bet with Action and Ryul 2. But why choosed i Samsung ???!!
"I scout when i push" Adelscott
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 03 2013 01:47 GMT
#10
Should've gone full foreigner (anti team). For once there are nothing but good connotations with that phrase, in the FPL context anyways.
Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
January 03 2013 03:42 GMT
#11
My main team was based on good solid terrans, 1 zerg and 1 toss.
My reasoning was that 1. Map was favored for terrans 2. Zerg had infestor nerf 3. Terrans are my bros 4. I find good terrans are always solid choices.

Flash, Fantasy, etc worked out great for me but Puma didn't perform as well as I wanted. I thought he would be good pick.. but he threw so many games its not even believable.
a
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 03 2013 10:51 GMT
#12
Picked EGL for my anti this time. RorO still screws over main teams as much as he does antis.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
12:00
S2 Championship: Ro16 Day 2
IndyStarCraft 157
SteadfastSC78
EnkiAlexander 30
IntoTheiNu 12
Liquipedia
WardiTV Summer Champion…
11:00
Playoffs Day 1
ByuN vs herO
MaxPax vs Zoun
Clem vs NightMare
WardiTV843
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #103
Solar vs ShoWTimELIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings296
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 172
Rex 117
ProTech82
SteadfastSC 78
BRAT_OK 78
MindelVK 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42594
Larva 968
Killer 602
Pusan 490
PianO 446
Hyun 413
Mini 299
ggaemo 296
Last 283
Rush 251
[ Show more ]
firebathero 226
Hyuk 219
Mind 169
Barracks 168
soO 36
Free 33
ajuk12(nOOB) 32
Noble 15
Icarus 14
HiyA 14
Sacsri 10
Dota 2
Gorgc8199
qojqva1466
XcaliburYe449
Pyrionflax187
Fuzer 156
League of Legends
Dendi861
Counter-Strike
summit1g8357
olofmeister1699
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King66
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor205
Other Games
singsing2058
B2W.Neo944
RotterdaM205
byalli146
rGuardiaN45
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 10
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2724
• WagamamaTV372
League of Legends
• Nemesis2508
• Jankos2386
Upcoming Events
Chat StarLeague
3h 10m
Razz vs Julia
StRyKeR vs ZZZero
Semih vs TBD
Replay Cast
11h 10m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 10m
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
22h 10m
RotterdaM Event
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 21h
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 22h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Cosmonarchy
5 days
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSLAN 3
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.