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Fantasy Proleague 2012-13 R1 thoughts

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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 02:02:32
January 02 2013 02:01 GMT
#1
R1 Review

General thoughts on picking teams

First, I tried to go for players that felt like they could punch above their cost in FPL points. This automatically removed players such as and Flash (10pts) Rain (12pts) and Jaedong (8pts) from my list, because they cost way too much for a basically uncertain payoff.

Second, I tried to pick three or four "core players" rather than making sure that all my players were point generators, since I didn't want to win by making a bunch of bets and getting lucky, but rather by identifying good player deals.

Third, I thought that Zerg would be pretty gimped following the infestor patch--mainly because Zerg players which did well in prior Proleague rounds and had high $ costs would now underperform their valuations. Hence I tried to avoid relying on Z players to get me points.

Fourth, I thought that with their practice time split between Proleague and international leagues and GSTL, EG-TL would be pretty weak, and definitely not worth the 6$ cost. This impacted my anti- more than my main-team selection.

Fifth, I realized that absolute strength in Fantasy proleague is worth less than relative strength on a team. Basically, an A minus player in a B level team will earn a lot more points than an A player on an A team, because that A minus player will get sent out more, and ace matches are always a chance for huge points.

The team

Main:
(T)Fantasy -- Team captain
I picked Fantasy as my captain because he was the most consistent 7-point player. Basically, I ranked him on the same level as Soulkey, but he was cheaper and got to benefit from the "Flash/Rain effect." I felt like there was a 25-30% chance he would be ace in any given match involving SKT1, plus he had a really good record in the last SPL.

(P)Stats
I picked Stats because I wanted exposure to what I call the "Flash/Rain effect". Basically, players spend so much time prepping against S-class aces that they suffer when paired against good A-teamers on the same team as the ace. Plus, Stats was cheap at only 5 points, while he accumulated a sick record in the prior season of proleague.

(P)herO[jOin]
I picked hero[join] because he had the potential to get big points. He, Baby, and Taeja were the three cheapest aces (all at 7 points). In retrospect, I probably should have traded him for Rain, Flash, or Bogus after his monstrous 2nd week, but I'm still satisfied with the initial pick.

(P)sHy
Shy was my dark horse. I wasn't expecting him to get more than 15 or 20 points over the course of R1, because I thought WJS would rely on Soulkey as the ace 100% of the time. However, I knew he was a strong player with excellent PvP and there was an off chance he would be sent out as a sniper. Plus, he was on WJS, which I expected to do really well in PL. In retrospect, though, I should have gotten Action and Wooki for what I spent on Shy, but overall I'm satisfied with the choice.

(Z)Hyuk --> traded out for (Z)Alone prior to week 3
I got Hyuk to get me exposure to SKT1, which I felt would do pretty well in the PL, but which I also felt was more expensive than WJS, who I thought would do equally well. Hyuk did just that--never getting sent out and earning 1 point every time SKT1 won. In week 3, I took a gamble and swapped him for Alone because I saw Alone was playing another no-name (Mini). It didn't work out that week, but Alone then beat herO[jOin], so I guess it was a good hedging strategy?

(P)BisAnG
I got BisAnG to get exposure to WJS, just like Hyuk and SKT1.

Team:
Woongjin Stars
So I picked Woongjin because they had a +19 game differential in the last season of Proleague. Given that Fantasy pays out more for a 4-0 than a 4-3, that +19 game differential meant a lot of hidden value in WJS for me.

Obviously, I should have picked KT, but I think everyone was surprised by Action and Wooki's ridiculous overperformance this round.

Anti:
(Z)Jaedong
I should have picked Stephano here. I would have picked Stephano had I done my homework and found out he was staying in France for a while. Bad choice on my part. Jaedong did, however, underperform relative to his 8$ valuation, but 16 points is still painful.

(T)IdrA
With Jaedong, Stephano, and Zenio in EG-TL, I just didn't see room for a fourth EG zerg on the lineup.

(T)Classic
Out of all the 3 point players, he had the worst record in the last round of Proleague.

Results

Main: 138 points
Anti: -24 points
Trade tax: -1
Total: 113 points, 33rd place overall



Post-mortem

Things to work on:

I think my strategy did pretty well, but it'll be hard to replicate it next season, because valuations will be a lot more fair.

I also think I should have been a traded more. I should have especially ditched hero[join] after week 2, but I got lazy and didn't do it.

In that same vein, I should have been more tactical. I completely missed EG's weak lineup in W1 versus KT, and that cost me a lot of points, as even though I thought KT was merely mediocre, I could have easily ditched KT week 2 for WJS.

I should have done my homework on Jaedong and Stephano. And I had a great $4 pick as well: Shine.

Things I missed but shouldn't blame myself for:

The performance of KT Rolster this round was extraordinary. As a diehard KT fan, it made me really happy. As a FPL player I was a little bewildered. I don't think anyone predicted the runaway success of KT, and especially the remarkable consistency of Action and Wooki. Hats off to them.

Samsung Khan's horrific underperformance. I thought Khan was overvalued and their last season's performance was kind of flukey, but I didn't expect them to screw the pooch this badly. By extension, Shine's horrific underperformance also deserves mention here. I thought Shine was overvalued, but I didn't know he'd go 0-5.

Overall

A good FPL season, but still many areas of potential improvement. Congrats to everyone who beat me in FPL; I'll get you next time!

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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 02:44:59
January 02 2013 02:42 GMT
#2
I created a team I named "Last Place". I then proceeded to pick KT for team and all KT people. Currently fifth place since I have a massive amount of minus points from that part.

I had no idea it would work out, I have no clue who is good in SC2 now a days. ^^ If KT tanks my rating will drop very quickly though since I am planing to go for ironman (or whatever they call the no trade award).

Good luck in the remainder.

Edit,

I was going to join KT fans group, then I checked the members and two had Bisu in their teams.
legoboomette
Profile Joined December 2011
England165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 04:18:21
January 02 2013 04:17 GMT
#3
Yeah my main team is basically KT, and Flash as captain is also carrying my team. I have JD on anti too though

Edit: I'm one of those 2
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TerranosaurusWrecks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada187 Posts
January 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#4
i'm placed pretty embarrassingly low, i chose sea as my captain just to be cool and didn't realize that it meant i wouldn't be able to trade him, now that he retired i'm pretty much screwed
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Like you can train a n00b, but they will just be a trained n00b."
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
January 02 2013 10:26 GMT
#5
I had a good first couple of weeks, but when TaeJa started playing and winning, along with JYP, I dropped like a stone. I'm at something like -50 or something because of it.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 12:50:54
January 02 2013 12:50 GMT
#6
There's always round 2!
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Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
January 02 2013 13:49 GMT
#7
My favorite blogger is back!
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 02 2013 15:39 GMT
#8
My thoughts: WHY KHAN WHY
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Split Behemoth
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
France104 Posts
January 02 2013 23:00 GMT
#9
I picked Fantasy as a captain too, with basically the same main idea as you. After that i made a good bet with Action and Ryul 2. But why choosed i Samsung ???!!
"I scout when i push" Adelscott
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 03 2013 01:47 GMT
#10
Should've gone full foreigner (anti team). For once there are nothing but good connotations with that phrase, in the FPL context anyways.
Haze.884
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand192 Posts
January 03 2013 03:42 GMT
#11
My main team was based on good solid terrans, 1 zerg and 1 toss.
My reasoning was that 1. Map was favored for terrans 2. Zerg had infestor nerf 3. Terrans are my bros 4. I find good terrans are always solid choices.

Flash, Fantasy, etc worked out great for me but Puma didn't perform as well as I wanted. I thought he would be good pick.. but he threw so many games its not even believable.
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 03 2013 10:51 GMT
#12
Picked EGL for my anti this time. RorO still screws over main teams as much as he does antis.
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