EPTAccount created: 7/4/2011
Warning number: 1
Warning date: 25/5/2011
Warning: Please put some effort into your posts. One word replies and other low content posts are not appreciated here. This is not a pictures thread. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Nyovne
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226296#19
Explanation: Someone posted a funny webcomic comic. I read some more of that webcomic and posted some pictures from it which were great, to share them with other people who were reading the thread. I was not trying to be disruptive. Actually quite the opposite; I was providing value to my co-posters since I had waded through the webcomic and wanted to share with them some of my favourites. I wasn't going to pick up everything and move to a Picture Thread because thats not where the interaction was taking place.
Conclusion: I agree with getting a warning because I didn't use spoiler tags. I probably didn't know they existed or forgot they existed.
However, I disagree with the reason that I was given a warning. "This is not a pictures thread" is a dumb reason to stick your nose in someone's thread and moderate it. Mind your own business. If someone posts a cool webcomic, and someone else reads through and wants to share another page from the comic, that's fine by my book. The thread was dead and there was nothing disruptive about what I was doing.
Severity of incident: 1/20 because it is understable that we don't want people posting pictures left and right, but in this particular case it was fine, plus it was accidental that i didnt use spoiler tags.
Warning number: 2
Warning date: 12/7/2011
Warning: Don't post pictures in response to threads. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, Empyrean
Explanation: I posted a compelling evidence of something and followed it up with a picture of a tumbleweed to signify the silence of people unable to respond to what I'd posted.
Conclusion: Nothing really wrong with what I did. In the context of the thread it was 100% fine. Just a way of communicating. Again, not disruptive, no reason it shouldn't have been allowed except to discourage people from using pictures inappropriately since there is a blanket ban on pictures.
Severity of incident: 2/20 because I knew there was a ban on pictures but I also knew what I was doing was in no way disruptive to anyone, I was a major participant of the thread at the time so was in a good place to judge, and it should have been permitted. It was an specific and effective use of an image to communicate that was 100% relevent and acceptable in my opinion.
Warning number: 3
Warning date: 28/8/2011
Warning: Not needed. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, {CC}StealthBlue
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=259898
Explanation: My comment here sounds a bit random and not needed, barely relevent. In retrospect I would have thought it was okay and relevent at the time for whatever reasons. To me the comment is not worthy of a warning, but I can see how it might be offensive to particular people or come across as unwarranted or just plain weird.
Conclusion: My intention here was not disruptive, I probably saw some relevence in what I was saying. I think its okay here to ignore the warning as much as the comment itself is ignorable, which is 100%.
Severeity of incident: 2/20 because it could be offensive from some (rare) perspective and because its just a poorly worded & pointless comment if anything. But I think on the whole people should be able to say pointless things if it isn't to the detriment of a thread. It's not a bloody public speaking forum, where everything that comes out of a mouth has to be picture perfect. Sometimes people say random stuff irl too, they don't get a warning for it, though they may feel silly for a while.
Warning number: 4
Warning date: 22/9/2011
Warning: While you're entitled to your opinions, you're not entitled to act like a jerk. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, SoMuchBetter
Explanation: I'll keep this brief. I replied to someone in a thread. Several people thought I was being sarcastic and malicious when infact I was genuinely interested. Once I'd explained to everyone that they'd misunderstood the tone of my post I was told the warning would be retracted.
Severity of the incident: 0/20
Warning number: 5
Warning date: 18/10/2011
Warning: Low content 1 word posts are not acceptable. Please add something to a conversation when you post. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, micronesia
Explanation: I was participating in a thread and someone made a snappy point. I replied by saying, "ha!". To me this is legimate, functioning communication of value and it is not the business of someone outside of the thread to judge otherwise. We are permitted to show approval in a variety of ways in a variety of conversations, and sometimes an appreciative "ha!" is as legitimate as a 3 paragraph essay.
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Severity of warning: 0/20 because really this shouldn't have been a warning at all. In many many cases, sure, a 1-word answer is crappy. However if you closely follow the tone of a conversation or of pages in a thread then sometimes they are as acceptable as anything else. Thread communication is not limited to essay followed by essay, sometimes a few words are effective and valuable, and as a mod who is skimming through it is easy to miss this subtlety.
Ban number: 1
Ban date: 19/10/2011
Ban reason: do not POST LIKE THIS, then ANTAGONIZE people who CALL YOU OUT ON IT. you LOOK like a CHILD, and we will TREAT YOU LIKE ONE. if not a child you are posting like SOME KIND OF LUNATIC who YELLS at the TOP OF HIS LUNGS until he becomes winded and then waits to RANDOMLY BEGIN AGAIN.
Either way text like the above is not pleasant. This is pleasant. Please take note for when this ban expires.
Explanation: I was pissy here since I had somehow gotten myself involved in a thread where some people were saying it was preferable to watch someone die than to help them incase you incur costs for helping them. Honestly I didn't care about getting banned, I used all caps to type because I wanted my post to be read and I wanted to shout at the guy.
Severity: 3/20 I was caught up in rage and sometimes thats okay. I dont tend to rage about girls or computer games as much anymore but a combination of things got me raging about leaving an injured person to die in the road or whatever the thread was about. Considering my past posting history which was pretty tame and the nature of this specific event (ie feeling particularly justified and thinking someone had to get a point across) i rate this very low in severity. I disagree with 1-week ban, that's a bit long really considering I wasn't being malicious or a dick, just was frustrated with a non-retarded event.
Warning number: 6
Warning date: 3/12/2011
Warning: Look at that post. Does not fit TL's quality requirements, and you know it. Thanks in advance for your cooperation, RaGe
Explanation: Not sure what this is. Could be anything. Going to leave this one out of the tally. Got a feeling its a misunderstanding that was so trivial I didn't bother to respond to the mod about it.
Severity: no details available
Ban number 2:
Ban reason:
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Original Message From TL.net Bot:
You have been temp banned for 2 days by CTStalker.
Reason:
Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased.
You have been temp banned for 2 days by CTStalker.
Reason:
Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased.
Don't know why I was banned here. The guy posted a blog of a load of his eastern european music and I replied happily at being able to sample his music. He PMed me after the ban joking about it. Just another case of a mod misunderstanding the tone of my posts and jumping to conclusions without being involved or having an understanding of the thread/interaction. Maybe he thought "dirty gipsy music" was a malicious comment but since I am enjoying the "dirty gipsy music" and aiming the comment at a friendly poster in a friendly manner it is not malicious.
Severity: 0/20
Warning number: 7
Warning date: 18/2/2012
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312813#8
Warning:
Please put some effort into your posts. One word replies and other low content posts are not appreciated here.
valkyries man
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
semioldguy
Explanation: Guy writes a page about how crunching numbers will come up with BO solutions to SC2. I jokingly comment, "valkyries man".
Severity of warning: 1/20 . Really, do we need to warn people for everything under the sun? So someone makes a silly joke about valkyries being an unfound solution to a BO problem. Its not the Strategy Forum where crazy standards apply. It's an interactive discussion forum and every so often people are going to feel like throwing a joke around. Sometimes its a one liner, sometimes its not a great joke, and out of 2000+ posts that is bound to happen. If you think it warrants a warning then you need to look a little deeper. To some people who throw around dumb 1-liners left and right it'll wake them up and remind them to not do it, but to a regular poster like me its pretty harsh and unecessary thing to do. It goes on my record even though in my eyes its a 0/20 or 1/20 "offense", when I'm just chilling out and browsing and suddenly I'm the devil for making a poorly placed joke or two once every few months.
Warning number: 8
Warning date: 31/3/2012
Warning:
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Original Message From TL.net Bot:
This is a Warning!
Is this really necessary? Reign yourself in a little bit.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
p4NDemik
(Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.)
This is a Warning!
Is this really necessary? Reign yourself in a little bit.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
p4NDemik
(Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.)
Explanation: Tone of my post was completely misinterpreted here. I was referring to myself throughout my post, "emotional wellbeing is very important (as i know), and if you are a skinny nerd (like me) then you should go to the gym and join tlhf (as i did)". I was shocked that anyone fathomed that i was being malicious in my post. i have blogged several large posts about trying to overcome emotional/anxiety issues so it is very important thing to me that i relate to and feel i can help with. Once i explained this to the mod he said he could see that this was true and said he would retract the warning
Severity of warning: 0/20
Warning number: 9
Warning date: 23/8/2012
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362671
Warning:
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Original Message From TL.net Bot:
This is a Warning!
No backseat modding, please. Report the thread and move on.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
vGl-CoW
(Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.)
This is a Warning!
No backseat modding, please. Report the thread and move on.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
vGl-CoW
(Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.)
Explanation: Someone posted that a Korean student died. Okay, so really its none of my business to get involved, but sometimes when I see our General Forum getting flooded with the same fark/reddit 1-line no-one-gives-a-fuck news stories I do actually feel justified telling the poster that quite honestly we dont fucking want to hear it! I never do this usually because I think threads should be left to thrive or die on their own merit, but this one really got me wanting to step in and have a say on the matter personally. There was just absolutely zero value to the thread whatsoever (not to mention an identicle story had already been posted a while back) so i felt totally fine about , this one time, telling the thread poster his thread was unwanted. As for "backseat modding", i don't see anything wrong with voicing my own opinion on particular specific events. there's nothing wrong with calling a poster out in a thread, you shouldnt have to be a moderator to do that. we are a community, not a bunch of obedient children who leave the opinions only to the adults who are looking down upon us past the bars of a crib.
Ban severity: 1/20 because it was a much-needed one-off and i knew 100% the thread was
going to be insta closed so i wasnt being disruptive, i just wanted the poster to get the goddamn message. i reduced it to 0/20 but then increased it back to 1/20 coz i could have been nicer about it even though i was fed up to my teeth.
Warning number: 10
Warning date: 24/10/2012
Explanation: I posted something about something. I finished with a disclaimer saying I wasn't certain about what I was saying. Kwark warns me for saying something I'm not certain about.
Warning severity: 0/20 If you have a problem with the accuracy of what I've said in the thread then you should be correcting me in the thread, letting everyone including myself know about the inaccuracy. Instead you think it's okay to pm me saying that my post is a waste of space and mod me with a warning. I was trying to be helpful to a guy, and left myself open to correction. This is absolutely not correct use of mod powers in my opinion
Ban number: 3
Ban date: 24/10/2012
Ban reason: Don't dispute moderation in the topic, PM the mod involved if you have any questions. What you got warned for was , as the warning clearly explained, posting "I have no idea what happened but this is what I think happened". Making a conscious decision to increase the amount of ignorance in a discussion is pretty bad.
Explanation: since he maintained silence within the thread regarding correcting what i had said, i explained to the other damn readers that i was wrong all along, and simultaeniously asked kwark doesnt he think it would be a better idea to act like a fellow poster and correct me within the thread. obviously kwark didnt like me requesting that he consider we are normal people trying to participate in threads and asking him to come down to our level to communicate is too much
Ban severity: 0/20
Ban number: 4
Ban date: 17/11/2012
Ban reason:
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Original Message From TL.net Bot:
You have been temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
Reason: Shitting up the programming thread with zero effort questions and a clear lack of respect for anyone else's time. In addition a history of averaging a moderation note a month for the last one and a half year is not working in your favour here. Shape up please!
Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased.
You have been temp banned for 1 week by Nyovne.
Reason: Shitting up the programming thread with zero effort questions and a clear lack of respect for anyone else's time. In addition a history of averaging a moderation note a month for the last one and a half year is not working in your favour here. Shape up please!
Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased.
Explanation: Really I have no idea what this ban is for. It is a curiosity more than anything. Below is what I wrote to Nyovne on 18/11/2012 asking for further explanation:
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Hiya, could you please spend a moment to have another look at this?
It may not have been clear to you what i was asking in the thread..
The post is here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=134491¤tpage=196
I was trying to explain that nomatter what I typed or changed in my code, when i clicked Run none of the changes appeared. it was as if the application had suddenly locked me out from making any changes whatsoever somehow, without giving any indication of why or that it was acting differently.
You can see the first response understood what my problem was and replied in a way that i could understand. Morfildur explained "Some IDEs only recompile new parts for performance reasons unless you explicitely say "Rebuild All". Check for such a menu option."
i was appreciative and indicated this in my reply. in no way to my knowledge was i "shitting up" or being rude or in any possible way disrespectful.
Maybe i had other "zero effort" questions but I dont see any?
you may be referring to my post here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=134491¤tpage=197
In this case I was not the original guy asking for help with those things. I was just an interested bystander. The way i wrote the post may have given you the impression that i was the original guy asking for help, when i said things like "Cool tip". infact, i was just reading tec27's responses to the other guy and saying thanks because those are interesting things to me as a bystander.
So i hope you can see from this that i was not shitting up the thread, or if you still think i was for whatever reason that you can appreciate where i'm coming from and that i dont understand why
Thanks
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I am writing this document because Nyovne's assessment of "a history of averaging a moderation note a month for the last one and a half year is not working in your favour here. Shape up please!" is quite disconcerting when (upon review) I consider my bans/warnings to be mostly of extremely low or zero severity.
I just got a 1-week ban for no discernable reason - perhaps I was being misinterpreted or misunderstood yet again, either by the mod or by people reporting my post/s.
I am 100% new to the programming thread and do not read it closely, but a very heated discussion took place the last days in which a poster had the perception that he was not being rude whereas another poster had the perception that he was being extremely rude.
With the "report post" feature it is possible that someone perceived me as being rude in the thread, and even though other people did not perceive me as rude and eagerly responded to me (and received my thanks), the mod still received and acted upon the report and those particular other people's perception of me.
The point of this review is to assess and consider that many of my warnings/bans are questionable or non-severe (referring to an eastern european friend's dirty gipsy music), extremely isolated (no player-hate or balance raging), within precise & non-malicious bounds (a silly joke or relevent picture) or are complete misunderstandings (at least two confirmed by mods).
Without the proper assessment it will easily appear to an onlooker that I am simply a 10-warning 4-ban disaster just waiting to be shown the door. And who can I expect to spend such time and energy to produce such an in-depth assessment other than myself.
The point of this is NOT to exhibit disrespect to mods or their moderation. I express opinions, sometimes a bit colourfully, but with complete acceptance to the fact that you are doing what you do in the way that you want to do it.
I can be angry, I can be confused, I can rant and rage, but at the end of the day it doesn't leave my little paragraphs here because you are doing your job and I am not.
My words here might reflect some upset over the things I disagree with but they do not reflect my unwritten and oft unwitting appreciation of what things you do for my benefit.
This has been an opinion piece and is not a challenge or request for any response from anyone.
