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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 19 2012 18:30 GMT
#21
On November 20 2012 02:43 SirJolt wrote:
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On November 20 2012 02:30 itsjustatank wrote:
In the Star Trek universe, humanity has developed a number of technological advances:
  1. Limitless energy — humans have learned how to manipulate matter and anti-matter in such a way that they can harness usable energy
  2. Limitless food — humans have developed a way to synthesize food from basic elements using replicators; in addition, these replicators can also construct non-food items
  3. Faster-than-light space travel — warp technology has allowed humanity to expand beyond the confines of the Solar System and seek out new worlds for human expansion
Humans have also gone through a number of significant social changes as well:
  1. Global governance — prior to the events of the movie First Contact, and after the global thermonuclear exchange of the third world war, the nation-states of the world had already banded together to form the United Earth.
  2. Interstellar governance — this is the Federation, a unified governance structure for a number of civilizations spanning a number of worlds, with San Francisco being the capitol.
Pretty utopian, you might say, but there are probably reasons why things are the way they are in Star Trek. The Federation fleet is articulated as being primarily for scientific and exploratory purposes, but these are mere sideshows. The Federation fleet is a military structure, and like any military is tasked with handling use of force.

This is because of the fact that while the internecine conflicts seemingly made inevitable by the anarchic structure of nation-states with no overarching global governance structure that can regulate the affairs of states in the modern world has been eliminated by the establishment of such a structure centuries later, and with similar governance established between the worlds and species of the Federation, threats from without (and within) remain ever-present in the Star Trek universe:
  1. Klingons
  2. Xindi
  3. Borg
  4. Gorn
  5. A probe that wanted to hear whale song but almost ended up destroying all life on Earth
  6. Ricardo Montalban
  7. Romulans
  8. Cardassians
  9. The Dominion
  10. The Maquis
  11. The Q Continuum
  12. The Breen
  13. Time Travelers
Mix these threats in with the overarching idea that the soft-power arm of the Federation is, in effect, a colonial activity meant to seek out new worlds for human control, and we are headed for some CONFLICT!

It is this conflict, and the threat of conflict, which remains to threaten what would be a utopian society in just about anyone's books if the society stood alone.

This is why there are red shirts, and this is why they die.


I can see what you're trying to do man, and it's noble, but misguided.

You need to wake up and stop swallowing everything the federation propagandists feed you.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! ROMULANS DID 911!

I laughed pretty hard at this. well played . . . Sir!
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MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 18:58:28
November 19 2012 18:48 GMT
#22
I had always assumed that the Federation was a Military Oligarchy indirectly run by the directives of Starfleet. Since Humans dominate starfleet, there is a subliminal bias within the Federation for human values and culture.

We saw in Homefront and Paradise Lost (DS9) how easily a weak token President could be pressured by two Starfleet officers into unilaterally declaring Martial Law on Earth, apparently without consultation or approval from any representative legislative body.

The Redshirts are probably poor idealists seeking to join Starfleet, in hopes of one day rising to the stature of a strongman Captain or Admiral. Starfleet merely uses that idealism to replenish their supply of voluntary cannon fodder.

P.S. The myth of the Federation being a post-scarcity society is bullocks. Money in Star Trek
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 19 2012 18:52 GMT
#23
Wow, you really put some thought into this. Dunno what that says though xD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
November 19 2012 19:05 GMT
#24
It's a shame we're thinking about old star trek stuff instead of watching episodes in a new series
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
November 19 2012 21:20 GMT
#25
This is a pretty hilarious theory. You can pretty easily disprove it by looking at the later series, but I like the idea enough that I might re-watch some of TOS with this in mind. Would make for a pretty fun spin on the series, especially since some of the old Kirk episodes are so cheesy already, this might keep me entertained enough to actually watch all of them.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
cjin
Profile Joined July 2011
181 Posts
November 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#26
Im convinced there is some kind of conspiracy:
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
November 20 2012 00:00 GMT
#27
On November 20 2012 04:05 Carson wrote:
It's a shame we're thinking about old star trek stuff instead of watching episodes in a new series


If only the last new series didn't make me want to curl up and cry.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 09:00:12
November 20 2012 08:59 GMT
#28
Relevant~

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Lisbeth
Profile Joined May 2012
United States12 Posts
November 20 2012 19:13 GMT
#29
The utopian idea was challenged later on in Star Trek, particularly Deep Space 9. The writers wanted to experience and move out of the Roddenberry utopian world, and thus they dabbled with themes like autonomous and secret organizations like Section 31. What if it wasn't all pretty and sparkles and perfect? Who were the ones willing to help maintain that aura for the populace? In one of the episodes of DS9, a line uttered by Sisko, "it's easy to be a saint in paradise" is the inspiration for one of the writers to come up with Section 31.

"Why is Earth a paradise in the twenty-fourth century? Well, maybe it's because there's someone watching over it and doing the nasty stuff that no one wants to think about. Of course it's a very complicated issue. Extremely complicated. And those kinds of covert operations usually are wrong!" Ira Steven Behr
All knowledge is worth having.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 21 2012 02:12 GMT
#30
As a Trekkie and engulfed in the spirit of exploration that is depicted in the star trek universe the "attack" makes me apathetic and troubled.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
November 26 2012 13:19 GMT
#31
On November 20 2012 02:52 itsjustatank wrote:
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On November 20 2012 02:32 Subversive wrote:
I'd also like to add that there aren't endless fatalities in Star Trek TNG, DS9 or Voyager. It's a very Original series thing.


The Next Generation
40 starships vs 1 Borg Cube
39 starships destroyed, thousands upon thousands killed
Minimal Borg losses
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wolf_359

DS9
This pretty much defines 'endless fatalities'
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dominion_War

Voyager
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Maquis

And then there's the new movie, where an entire universe timeline is destroyed.

Perhaps I wasn't clear (although the context should give you a hint). I was referring to the endless red shirt dying phenomena that Sir Jolt was talking about. There aren't endless ensign casualties in away missions in TNG or Voyager (or DS9). There are wars of course. And you picked one episode story arc from TNG.

On November 20 2012 06:20 Rayeth wrote:
This is a pretty hilarious theory. You can pretty easily disprove it by looking at the later series
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