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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
November 06 2012 00:09 GMT
#21
Great idea with the polls.
Maybe we can get a ranking out of polls if more ppl participate.


Highly overrated imho (more than 5 places):
Grubby; Dimaga, Happy
overrated: Vortix, Sortof, Slivko

Highly underrated imho:
frear, Huk, Hasuobs

underrated: Titan, major
Cj hero | Zest
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 17:53:48
November 06 2012 17:46 GMT
#22
NASL and MvP have about the same meaning as any online tournament - MvP even less.

Kas +5 cuz u can read the thread.
1) its +4
2) he has the most consistent results of all rank 5-10 players lately. ever chekced tlpd?

Snute is a monster currently. NightEnD was concidered to be too low by almost everyone. he recently fell out of a tournament in the group stage, which was AFTER the ranking was posted.
HuK dropped out because he doesnt do shit besides NASL - and his score doesnt tell the whole story there.
Apparently, i would rank IdrA in and leave HuK still out after MLG (my whole ranking would look stlightly different now (see spoiler / unofficial :D ).

+ Show Spoiler +
1 – Stephano
2 – Nerchio
3 – Vortix
4 – MaNa
5 – NaNiWa
6 – Lucifron
7 – Kas
8 – Scarlett
9 – TiTaN
10 – SaSe
11 – ThorZaiN
12 - Bly
13 - Grubby
14 - Happy
15 - BabyKnight
16 - Snute
17 - SortOf
18 - sLivko
19 - HasuObs
20 - Fraer
21 - IdrA
22 - Ret
23 - MajOr
24 - NightEnD
25 - TargA
26 - Sheth
27 - TLO
28 - mOOnGlaDe
29 - Socke
30 - DeMusliM


€: calling vortix overrated is an incredible JOKE.
he - doesnt - lose - games - anymore (TLPD is so fucking incomplete here...). sry guys, its just true atm :D
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 07 2012 01:47 GMT
#23
On November 07 2012 02:46 KalWarkov wrote:
Kas +5 cuz u can read the thread.
1) its +4
2) he has the most consistent results of all rank 5-10 players lately. ever chekced tlpd?


Kas actually doesnt have any games listed on TLPD for October. So how does that explain why you raised him 4 spots during that exact month?
Some results I found for October:
EG MCSL: 0-2 Taeja, 2-0 puck, 0-2 Golden, 1-2 Bling
Pokerstrategy League: 3-7 Grubby, 7-3 Morrow
Asus ROG: 2-1 Mana, 2-1 elfi, 0-2 TLO, 2-1 Nightend, 1-3 Thorzain
Stim to the win: 3-1 Titan, 3-1 Hasuobs
Ritmix: 0-3 Titan, 2-0 Symbol, 0-2 Bomber

Its decent, but not too consistent with losses against Bling, Grubby and TLO. Doesnt reward +4 IMO.

HuK dropped out because he doesnt do shit besides NASL - and his score doesnt tell the whole story there.
Apparently, i would rank IdrA in and leave HuK still out after MLG (my whole ranking would look stlightly different now (see spoiler / unofficial :D ).

+ Show Spoiler +
1 – Stephano
2 – Nerchio
3 – Vortix
4 – MaNa
5 – NaNiWa
6 – Lucifron
7 – Kas
8 – Scarlett
9 – TiTaN
10 – SaSe
11 – ThorZaiN
12 - Bly
13 - Grubby
14 - Happy
15 - BabyKnight
16 - Snute
17 - SortOf
18 - sLivko
19 - HasuObs
20 - Fraer
21 - IdrA
22 - Ret
23 - MajOr
24 - NightEnD
25 - TargA
26 - Sheth
27 - TLO
28 - mOOnGlaDe
29 - Socke
30 - DeMusliM


You really would rank Idra back on 21 just because of MLG?
Idras match score there was 3-3. He beat Apocalypse, Glon and Grubby, while losing to TheSTC, Babyknight and Soulkey.
Huk was 3-2 (pool allows 1 more loss). He beat Shew, Sasquatch and Vibe, losing to Daisy and moonglade.
(not saying Huks run was better, Idra had stronger opponents)

Lets compare other results: MLGMvP Huk managed to get into the playoffs while Idra began forfeiting matches after a very bad start.

IPTL: Huk beat Genius and Arthur, lost to Miso and DRG. No start for Idra.
EG MCSL: Idra 1-2 Vibe, 2-0 Hawk, 0-2 Goswser, 0-2 Arthur, 0-2 Hasuobs
Huk 2-0 Genius, 0-2 Protosser

Other individual results: (not much for Idra?)
GSL WC: Huk 2-0 Vibe
NASL: Huk 2-0 Ret, 2-1 Morrow, 2-1 Arthur, 1-2 Hasuobs, 2-1 alive, 0-2 Polt, 2-0 Masa
IPL 5 Satellite: Huk 2-0 Cyrano, 2-0 Ryung, 2-0 Shine
IEM Singapore qualifier: Idra 3-2 Boyo, 3-0 Demuslim.

Please tell if I missed anything important in the last 2 months.

Huk is overall 13-5 in Bo3+. 44% of matches were vs Koreans.
Idra is overall 6-7 in Bo3+. 23% of matches were vs Koreans.

Huk has the much better winrate playing better opponents.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 08 2012 14:41 GMT
#24
On November 07 2012 10:47 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 02:46 KalWarkov wrote:
Kas +5 cuz u can read the thread.
1) its +4
2) he has the most consistent results of all rank 5-10 players lately. ever chekced tlpd?


Kas actually doesnt have any games listed on TLPD for October. So how does that explain why you raised him 4 spots during that exact month?
Some results I found for October:
EG MCSL: 0-2 Taeja, 2-0 puck, 0-2 Golden, 1-2 Bling
Pokerstrategy League: 3-7 Grubby, 7-3 Morrow
Asus ROG: 2-1 Mana, 2-1 elfi, 0-2 TLO, 2-1 Nightend, 1-3 Thorzain
Stim to the win: 3-1 Titan, 3-1 Hasuobs
Ritmix: 0-3 Titan, 2-0 Symbol, 0-2 Bomber

Its decent, but not too consistent with losses against Bling, Grubby and TLO. Doesnt reward +4 IMO.

Show nested quote +
HuK dropped out because he doesnt do shit besides NASL - and his score doesnt tell the whole story there.
Apparently, i would rank IdrA in and leave HuK still out after MLG (my whole ranking would look stlightly different now (see spoiler / unofficial :D ).

+ Show Spoiler +
1 – Stephano
2 – Nerchio
3 – Vortix
4 – MaNa
5 – NaNiWa
6 – Lucifron
7 – Kas
8 – Scarlett
9 – TiTaN
10 – SaSe
11 – ThorZaiN
12 - Bly
13 - Grubby
14 - Happy
15 - BabyKnight
16 - Snute
17 - SortOf
18 - sLivko
19 - HasuObs
20 - Fraer
21 - IdrA
22 - Ret
23 - MajOr
24 - NightEnD
25 - TargA
26 - Sheth
27 - TLO
28 - mOOnGlaDe
29 - Socke
30 - DeMusliM


You really would rank Idra back on 21 just because of MLG?
Idras match score there was 3-3. He beat Apocalypse, Glon and Grubby, while losing to TheSTC, Babyknight and Soulkey.
Huk was 3-2 (pool allows 1 more loss). He beat Shew, Sasquatch and Vibe, losing to Daisy and moonglade.
(not saying Huks run was better, Idra had stronger opponents)

Lets compare other results: MLGMvP Huk managed to get into the playoffs while Idra began forfeiting matches after a very bad start.

IPTL: Huk beat Genius and Arthur, lost to Miso and DRG. No start for Idra.
EG MCSL: Idra 1-2 Vibe, 2-0 Hawk, 0-2 Goswser, 0-2 Arthur, 0-2 Hasuobs
Huk 2-0 Genius, 0-2 Protosser

Other individual results: (not much for Idra?)
GSL WC: Huk 2-0 Vibe
NASL: Huk 2-0 Ret, 2-1 Morrow, 2-1 Arthur, 1-2 Hasuobs, 2-1 alive, 0-2 Polt, 2-0 Masa
IPL 5 Satellite: Huk 2-0 Cyrano, 2-0 Ryung, 2-0 Shine
IEM Singapore qualifier: Idra 3-2 Boyo, 3-0 Demuslim.

Please tell if I missed anything important in the last 2 months.

Huk is overall 13-5 in Bo3+. 44% of matches were vs Koreans.
Idra is overall 6-7 in Bo3+. 23% of matches were vs Koreans.

Huk has the much better winrate playing better opponents.



but HuKs good results were mostly online.
IdrA's play simply looks much more stable and stronger than HuK's
Also, the listing from Kas' results is incomplete - 9-1 vs TiTaN for example.
Again: his late results arent rly that impressive, i agree on that. BUT... the results of the others are even worse! just recently, he 8-2d socke again, who seems on a bit of an upswing again compared to the month before (winning against grubby).

but ye, thanks for listing HuKs results so closely, i wasnt aware of every single one since i dont have as much time to follow the NA leagues as before (dont get me wrong, i watched EVERYTHING before :D i still see quite a lot^^).
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 08 2012 19:28 GMT
#25
Kas 9-1 vs TitaN was already September. I looked for all of his results in October.
He passed Lucifron, Thorzain, Naniwa and Sase in October. If you say they have really done worse, I don't agree. (Lucifron did so-so like Kas, Thorzain won TheGD Invitational - beating Kas too, Nani and Sase see my first post)

On Idra I don't think at all that his play looks stable.

My Top15: (as of now)
1. Stephano
2. Nerchio
3. Mana
4. Naniwa
5. vortix
6. Sase
7. Lucifron
8. Kas
9. Thorzain
10. TitaN
11. Scarlett
12. fraer
13. Grubby
14. Bly
15. Happy
(made me realize I didnt mention yet how heavily underrated fraer is)
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 22:12:52
November 12 2012 21:57 GMT
#26
€: calling vortix overrated is an incredible JOKE.
he - doesnt - lose - games - anymore (TLPD is so fucking incomplete here...). sry guys, its just true atm :D


I wasn't joking. I don't think he is better than e.g. mana. That's just my subjective opinion.
Not saying he doesn't deserve to be at the top but to say he is smashing everyone right now is just exaggerated.
Just some lost ZvZ's of him in october:
------------------
29.10.2012
Scarlett
3:2
Vortix
2012 Ritmix RSL Season 2
------------------
21.10.2012
luvsic
2:1
Vortix
Iron Squid - Chapter II Open Qualifier
------------------
07.10.2012
Bly
2:0
Vortix
THOR OPEN 2012 Qualifiers
------------------
27.09.2012
Stephano
3:0
Vortix
MSI Pro Cup Worldwide European Qualifier
---------------------------------------------


I don't know why you guys are even considering idra.
He is not even a top Zerg in NA atm.
Scarlett, sheth, vibe, suppy>>idra


My Top15: (as of now)
1. Stephano
2. Nerchio
3. Mana
4. Lucifron
5. vortix
6. Kas
7. Naniwa
8. Scarlett
9. TitaN
10. Thorzain
11. Snute
12. Sase
13. BabyKnight
14. fraer
15. HasuObs
Cj hero | Zest
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#27
some things have to change.. wcs showed it.
although i obviously dont read too much into a 4 man / ~6 maps each-ish group system with single elim bracket.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 26 2012 13:23 GMT
#28
Next ranking will be out the day after IPL 5.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
November 28 2012 11:13 GMT
#29
Dimaga hasn't played well for a loong time, and so has ret. (Especially the latter one makes me pretty sad.)
I think, they're both too high on this list. The top 3 seem to be ok, even though there's no clear favourite for the third place.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
November 28 2012 14:37 GMT
#30
Why is Sen not up there?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
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