EPTMaybe we can get a ranking out of polls if more ppl participate.
Highly overrated imho (more than 5 places):
Grubby; Dimaga, Happy
overrated: Vortix, Sortof, Slivko
Highly underrated imho:
frear, Huk, Hasuobs
underrated: Titan, major
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
Maybe we can get a ranking out of polls if more ppl participate. Highly overrated imho (more than 5 places): Grubby; Dimaga, Happy overrated: Vortix, Sortof, Slivko Highly underrated imho: frear, Huk, Hasuobs underrated: Titan, major | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
Kas +5 cuz u can read the thread. 1) its +4 2) he has the most consistent results of all rank 5-10 players lately. ever chekced tlpd? Snute is a monster currently. NightEnD was concidered to be too low by almost everyone. he recently fell out of a tournament in the group stage, which was AFTER the ranking was posted. HuK dropped out because he doesnt do shit besides NASL - and his score doesnt tell the whole story there. Apparently, i would rank IdrA in and leave HuK still out after MLG (my whole ranking would look stlightly different now (see spoiler / unofficial :D ). + Show Spoiler + 1 – Stephano 2 – Nerchio 3 – Vortix 4 – MaNa 5 – NaNiWa 6 – Lucifron 7 – Kas 8 – Scarlett 9 – TiTaN 10 – SaSe 11 – ThorZaiN 12 - Bly 13 - Grubby 14 - Happy 15 - BabyKnight 16 - Snute 17 - SortOf 18 - sLivko 19 - HasuObs 20 - Fraer 21 - IdrA 22 - Ret 23 - MajOr 24 - NightEnD 25 - TargA 26 - Sheth 27 - TLO 28 - mOOnGlaDe 29 - Socke 30 - DeMusliM €: calling vortix overrated is an incredible JOKE. he - doesnt - lose - games - anymore (TLPD is so fucking incomplete here...). sry guys, its just true atm :D | ||
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00Visor
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On November 07 2012 02:46 KalWarkov wrote: Kas +5 cuz u can read the thread. 1) its +4 2) he has the most consistent results of all rank 5-10 players lately. ever chekced tlpd? Kas actually doesnt have any games listed on TLPD for October. So how does that explain why you raised him 4 spots during that exact month? Some results I found for October: EG MCSL: 0-2 Taeja, 2-0 puck, 0-2 Golden, 1-2 Bling Pokerstrategy League: 3-7 Grubby, 7-3 Morrow Asus ROG: 2-1 Mana, 2-1 elfi, 0-2 TLO, 2-1 Nightend, 1-3 Thorzain Stim to the win: 3-1 Titan, 3-1 Hasuobs Ritmix: 0-3 Titan, 2-0 Symbol, 0-2 Bomber Its decent, but not too consistent with losses against Bling, Grubby and TLO. Doesnt reward +4 IMO. HuK dropped out because he doesnt do shit besides NASL - and his score doesnt tell the whole story there. Apparently, i would rank IdrA in and leave HuK still out after MLG (my whole ranking would look stlightly different now (see spoiler / unofficial :D ). + Show Spoiler + 1 – Stephano 2 – Nerchio 3 – Vortix 4 – MaNa 5 – NaNiWa 6 – Lucifron 7 – Kas 8 – Scarlett 9 – TiTaN 10 – SaSe 11 – ThorZaiN 12 - Bly 13 - Grubby 14 - Happy 15 - BabyKnight 16 - Snute 17 - SortOf 18 - sLivko 19 - HasuObs 20 - Fraer 21 - IdrA 22 - Ret 23 - MajOr 24 - NightEnD 25 - TargA 26 - Sheth 27 - TLO 28 - mOOnGlaDe 29 - Socke 30 - DeMusliM You really would rank Idra back on 21 just because of MLG? Idras match score there was 3-3. He beat Apocalypse, Glon and Grubby, while losing to TheSTC, Babyknight and Soulkey. Huk was 3-2 (pool allows 1 more loss). He beat Shew, Sasquatch and Vibe, losing to Daisy and moonglade. (not saying Huks run was better, Idra had stronger opponents) Lets compare other results: MLGMvP Huk managed to get into the playoffs while Idra began forfeiting matches after a very bad start. IPTL: Huk beat Genius and Arthur, lost to Miso and DRG. No start for Idra. EG MCSL: Idra 1-2 Vibe, 2-0 Hawk, 0-2 Goswser, 0-2 Arthur, 0-2 Hasuobs Huk 2-0 Genius, 0-2 Protosser Other individual results: (not much for Idra?) GSL WC: Huk 2-0 Vibe NASL: Huk 2-0 Ret, 2-1 Morrow, 2-1 Arthur, 1-2 Hasuobs, 2-1 alive, 0-2 Polt, 2-0 Masa IPL 5 Satellite: Huk 2-0 Cyrano, 2-0 Ryung, 2-0 Shine IEM Singapore qualifier: Idra 3-2 Boyo, 3-0 Demuslim. Please tell if I missed anything important in the last 2 months. Huk is overall 13-5 in Bo3+. 44% of matches were vs Koreans. Idra is overall 6-7 in Bo3+. 23% of matches were vs Koreans. Huk has the much better winrate playing better opponents. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On November 07 2012 10:47 00Visor wrote: Kas actually doesnt have any games listed on TLPD for October. So how does that explain why you raised him 4 spots during that exact month? Some results I found for October: EG MCSL: 0-2 Taeja, 2-0 puck, 0-2 Golden, 1-2 Bling Pokerstrategy League: 3-7 Grubby, 7-3 Morrow Asus ROG: 2-1 Mana, 2-1 elfi, 0-2 TLO, 2-1 Nightend, 1-3 Thorzain Stim to the win: 3-1 Titan, 3-1 Hasuobs Ritmix: 0-3 Titan, 2-0 Symbol, 0-2 Bomber Its decent, but not too consistent with losses against Bling, Grubby and TLO. Doesnt reward +4 IMO. You really would rank Idra back on 21 just because of MLG? Idras match score there was 3-3. He beat Apocalypse, Glon and Grubby, while losing to TheSTC, Babyknight and Soulkey. Huk was 3-2 (pool allows 1 more loss). He beat Shew, Sasquatch and Vibe, losing to Daisy and moonglade. (not saying Huks run was better, Idra had stronger opponents) Lets compare other results: MLGMvP Huk managed to get into the playoffs while Idra began forfeiting matches after a very bad start. IPTL: Huk beat Genius and Arthur, lost to Miso and DRG. No start for Idra. EG MCSL: Idra 1-2 Vibe, 2-0 Hawk, 0-2 Goswser, 0-2 Arthur, 0-2 Hasuobs Huk 2-0 Genius, 0-2 Protosser Other individual results: (not much for Idra?) GSL WC: Huk 2-0 Vibe NASL: Huk 2-0 Ret, 2-1 Morrow, 2-1 Arthur, 1-2 Hasuobs, 2-1 alive, 0-2 Polt, 2-0 Masa IPL 5 Satellite: Huk 2-0 Cyrano, 2-0 Ryung, 2-0 Shine IEM Singapore qualifier: Idra 3-2 Boyo, 3-0 Demuslim. Please tell if I missed anything important in the last 2 months. Huk is overall 13-5 in Bo3+. 44% of matches were vs Koreans. Idra is overall 6-7 in Bo3+. 23% of matches were vs Koreans. Huk has the much better winrate playing better opponents. but HuKs good results were mostly online. IdrA's play simply looks much more stable and stronger than HuK's Also, the listing from Kas' results is incomplete - 9-1 vs TiTaN for example. Again: his late results arent rly that impressive, i agree on that. BUT... the results of the others are even worse! just recently, he 8-2d socke again, who seems on a bit of an upswing again compared to the month before (winning against grubby). but ye, thanks for listing HuKs results so closely, i wasnt aware of every single one since i dont have as much time to follow the NA leagues as before (dont get me wrong, i watched EVERYTHING before :D i still see quite a lot^^). | ||
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00Visor
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He passed Lucifron, Thorzain, Naniwa and Sase in October. If you say they have really done worse, I don't agree. (Lucifron did so-so like Kas, Thorzain won TheGD Invitational - beating Kas too, Nani and Sase see my first post) On Idra I don't think at all that his play looks stable. My Top15: (as of now) 1. Stephano 2. Nerchio 3. Mana 4. Naniwa 5. vortix 6. Sase 7. Lucifron 8. Kas 9. Thorzain 10. TitaN 11. Scarlett 12. fraer 13. Grubby 14. Bly 15. Happy (made me realize I didnt mention yet how heavily underrated fraer is) | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
€: calling vortix overrated is an incredible JOKE. he - doesnt - lose - games - anymore (TLPD is so fucking incomplete here...). sry guys, its just true atm :D I wasn't joking. I don't think he is better than e.g. mana. That's just my subjective opinion. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be at the top but to say he is smashing everyone right now is just exaggerated. Just some lost ZvZ's of him in october: ------------------ 29.10.2012 Scarlett 3:2 Vortix 2012 Ritmix RSL Season 2 ------------------ 21.10.2012 luvsic 2:1 Vortix Iron Squid - Chapter II Open Qualifier ------------------ 07.10.2012 Bly 2:0 Vortix THOR OPEN 2012 Qualifiers ------------------ 27.09.2012 Stephano 3:0 Vortix MSI Pro Cup Worldwide European Qualifier --------------------------------------------- I don't know why you guys are even considering idra. He is not even a top Zerg in NA atm. Scarlett, sheth, vibe, suppy>>idra My Top15: (as of now) 1. Stephano 2. Nerchio 3. Mana 4. Lucifron 5. vortix 6. Kas 7. Naniwa 8. Scarlett 9. TitaN 10. Thorzain 11. Snute 12. Sase 13. BabyKnight 14. fraer 15. HasuObs | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
although i obviously dont read too much into a 4 man / ~6 maps each-ish group system with single elim bracket. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
I think, they're both too high on this list. The top 3 seem to be ok, even though there's no clear favourite for the third place. | ||
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BreAKerTV
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