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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 02 2012 23:35 GMT
#1
Yes, I fucking love ZvT. I love ZvZ too, because in a ZvT or a ZvZ, my opponent isn't playing protoss. Protoss is the bane of my existence because I don't know how to play that matchup out, except for occasional 3 hatch ling allin type of shit. I'm completely lost in that matchup, I just ban tosses.

After getting trashed by a random toss just because he's playing toss and I can't play against toss, I met this Terran. The Terran that I'm going to tell the tale of, right now.

OK so here is the battle report. A big wall of text with lotsnlots of pictures and shit is in the spoiler tags, open at your own peril.

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, here is another Battle Report, again a ZvT because ZvZ is rarely a Battle Report material and I suck at ZvP.

So I start at top right and he starts at bottom left. Good news for me, I like cross spawns.

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Look at my APM, my APM is amazing

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I went 12 hatch whereas he went for a 1 rax CC. Standard piece of shit. I only make 1 set of lings until my mutas come out while trying to defend anything and everything with 3 sunkens. At least works at my level.

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Dude, you're not being heterosexual with your scout

Anyway, I decide to keep the shit standard and show him my monster muta micro, which ends up being actually monster level. At least we can consider it that way in red ranks.

[image loading]
So I'll be constructing myself for 100 seconds while leaving a timing window for my opponent to exploit

Meanwhile, he's trying to commence the phase 1 of his 2 phase master plan:
1- "Well, as I suck at defending mutalisk shit, I'll go for pre-muta timing"
2- "If I win with that, I celebrate. If I don't, I'll throw some production buildings and shit and push at random timings"

[image loading]
I don't know which one is worse. Me having zero preparation to this shit or forgetting to turn off the APM counter so now I can't trick TL into thinking that I have 300+ APM.

When I scouted it, he was already on his way with stim finished, everything set for a pre-muta timing. Unlike him though, I had nothing set, just started sunkens after seeing him moving out, crossing the bridge.

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Plz construct twice as fast this time. I'll need you like... Right now?

As you know, they take a while in order to get themselves constructed and then turn into actual sunkens. He was there while my sunkens were just morphing.

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So this is the end of this game?

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Of course not, silly you. Why would I blog about a random loss to a pre-mutalisk timing?

Well, I killed all his shit and now and time to show him the infamous zerg MM: Muta Micro. Monster level one tbh.

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Hi SCVs, bye SCVs. Recommend us to your friends too, Thanks!

The best time to make lurkers is the time you're killing his shit with mutas.

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I'm not crazy, my name isn't Force[Name] either. I have to make lurkers to survive T attacks

So I killed like 10-ish SCVs in his nat along with 4-5 turrets, a few marines and a medic, just in the natural.

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Hey look, we're being cost-efficient here!

He goes for a push of some marines and some vultures, accompanied by a medic, again.

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Deenieed

The most difficult part of the push is to understand what it is. That was easily 800-900 minerals that went down to 18 lings and leftover mutas. Replay shows me that it is a 3rax-3fact timing push that aims to hit right after my lurker tech kicks in.

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Well, I said I would build shit and shit and hope for the best

At the same time, I was looking for opportunities to squueze my opponent more and more

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Well, my defiler control sucks, so guardians it is

Here is the part that I suicide my entire army into Terran army before defilers are ready.

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Hey, let's throw a well earned win!

While I was suiciding my main army, I was attacking his natural worker line, or rather turret line, with my guardians, which were eventually cleared by wraiths without doing damage, and the worst part is: He is preparing a drop to my 3rd and I have no idea about it.

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Dropshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, uhh I mean Dropshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip!!!

While I continue suiciding my army, my hatchery gets damaged more and more.

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I said my defiler control sucks

Somehow, I clear the drops without losing my hatch. Then I turn it into a lair.

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Thanks for not targetting my hatchery, you just threw i guess.

After some more suiciding armies into each other, fail defilers and shit, he goes for one last push...

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Plzplzplz dance all your hydraling in our range so that I can actually win

That gets stopped ice cold right outside his natural.

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GEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~! OAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH~!


Props:
1- Me being able to keep my money low. My unit count was not that high but that was because my drone count wasn't high in the first place.
2- My muta micro. They really did more than I initially anticipated they would.
3- My mindset: I generally would get thrown off by half of this shit.

Slops:
1- Opponent banking +3k minerals in no time, despite being on 2 bases, getting SCVs killed and being forced a good number of turrets.
2- The army suicide. I should quit doing these.
3- The amount of drones I had in my 3rd and 4th were really really low. Despite having a good macro and shit, I never really had the unit count.
4- My guardians and defilers. Both of them should and were supposed to do a lot more than this.

Thanks for reading (or scrolling down). You don't need to thank me for the scroll finger exercise though.

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AnYvia
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria474 Posts
September 02 2012 23:40 GMT
#2
For some reason anything that involves BW screenshots gets me excited. I dont know why .
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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
September 02 2012 23:41 GMT
#3
I love TvZ. We should play. I also feel people who love ZvT are sadistic, as they love to laugh at Terrans becoming flustered and confused as the game doesn't go their way. That said, TvZ lovers are masochistic, going into the matchup knowing that at any comparably leveled playing field they're going to be put through mental anguish. Also, nice battle report. That's what he gets for going mech AND vessels off of 2base as his followup.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10121 Posts
September 02 2012 23:42 GMT
#4
ahhh my index finger feels really worked out.

BROOD WAR BATTLE REPORTS HELL YEAH!

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Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 03 2012 00:13 GMT
#5
Iloveoov vs ilovejesus
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10113 Posts
September 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#6
If you love it so much why do you not participate in DRTL anymore? ;;
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
September 03 2012 00:24 GMT
#7
actually, you mean droshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. anyway wp and nice report
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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
September 03 2012 00:41 GMT
#8
On September 03 2012 09:13 Luepert wrote:
Iloveoov vs ilovejesus

Played in what country?
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 03 2012 01:09 GMT
#9
Jolly good show!
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
September 03 2012 03:09 GMT
#10
yay! About time we see some BW battle reports in here.
I was thinking about finally doing one too, and whoa, you struck first!
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SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 04:16:57
September 03 2012 04:14 GMT
#11
On September 03 2012 08:35 Djagulingu wrote:
Protoss is the bane of my existence because I don't know how to play that matchup out, except for occasional 3 hatch ling allin type of shit. I'm completely lost in that matchup, I just ban tosses.

LOL, I thought I was the only one. I used to do this as well until I just got fed up and switched to Toss myself. With every 1 in 3 players joining being non Toss, it was a lot of bans for a time when ICCUP was beginning to die and opponents were hard to come by.

Been more than a year since I quite BW....ICCUP must be dead now.
sundersoft
Profile Joined November 2011
91 Posts
September 03 2012 04:34 GMT
#12
On September 03 2012 13:14 SarR wrote:
Been more than a year since I quite BW....ICCUP must be dead now.


I never had to wait more than 30 seconds for a game (usually someone joins within 5 seconds), but I hosted and this was in D ranks.
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
September 03 2012 06:07 GMT
#13
"So I'll be constructing myself for 100 seconds while leaving a timing window for my opponent to exploit"
BW BR always 5/5 in my heart. Thanks!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 06:44:58
September 03 2012 06:22 GMT
#14
On September 03 2012 09:17 Jealous wrote:
If you love it so much why do you not participate in DRTL anymore? ;;

I'm doing a favor to my team as my games are guaranteed losses in that league. I won 2 games in 2 seasons lol. Besides my saturdays aren't as free as they were in S2 (still I missed a good amount of games in S2).

On September 03 2012 08:41 Game wrote:
I love TvZ. We should play. I also feel people who love ZvT are sadistic, as they love to laugh at Terrans becoming flustered and confused as the game doesn't go their way. That said, TvZ lovers are masochistic, going into the matchup knowing that at any comparably leveled playing field they're going to be put through mental anguish. Also, nice battle report. That's what he gets for going mech AND vessels off of 2base as his followup.

Yeah, shit was going so well for me I thought he had a 3rd base. I couldn't find it anywhere on the map though. Turned out that he really was on 2 bases doing a mech transition kind of thing.

The sado-masochistic relationship between Zergs and Terrans is one of the reasons why I love this matchup this much. Lurkers at the 3rd or sunkens in the nat being a tad bit late can mean insta-loss for a zerg or getting muta-microed down at the 3rd ramp while doing a prelurker timing will generally lead to losing all of your shit to hold lurkers a minute later.

On September 03 2012 13:34 sundersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 13:14 SarR wrote:
Been more than a year since I quite BW....ICCUP must be dead now.


I never had to wait more than 30 seconds for a game (usually someone joins within 5 seconds), but I hosted and this was in D ranks.

Yeah, getting games at red ranks is pretty easy in comparison and I've never reached yellow ranks to see if getting games are this easy or not there.

On September 03 2012 13:14 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 08:35 Djagulingu wrote:
Protoss is the bane of my existence because I don't know how to play that matchup out, except for occasional 3 hatch ling allin type of shit. I'm completely lost in that matchup, I just ban tosses.

LOL, I thought I was the only one. I used to do this as well until I just got fed up and switched to Toss myself. With every 1 in 3 players joining being non Toss, it was a lot of bans for a time when ICCUP was beginning to die and opponents were hard to come by.

The thing is I switched from toss into zerg because I had 60 apm back then with no understanding of any of the matchups. Still I beat a lot of Terran friends who were just as noob as I was back then with 1 base reaver kind of shits. My shuttle reaver control was OK but instantly banking up to 5k during that was not.

Zerg is better though, I learned to actually play with that race and I can still micro my mutalisks. I need to practise my defiler control though.

On September 03 2012 15:07 Skeggaba wrote:
"So I'll be constructing myself for 100 seconds while leaving a timing window for my opponent to exploit"
BW BR always 5/5 in my heart. Thanks!

LOL a big amount of my ZvT losses are from pre-mutalisk timings when my sunkens were 3 seconds late. Still nowhere as close as my opponent doing early mech. I have a hard time playing against it.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 07:50:32
September 03 2012 07:48 GMT
#15
I really should play more. Maybe when I get some stuff sorted out I can start playing actively again.

Reading about games is pretty fun. Can't wait until I can play too.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 03 2012 07:49 GMT
#16
ZvT is awesome, my favourite matchup by far. My only problem is losing after terran gets up a large enough force; I don't know how to break it open. Probably just my slow defilers I guess.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
September 03 2012 07:55 GMT
#17
I agree with you full-heartedly in your abhorrence of the Protoss race. Only that, without playing vP, you'll never get any games on iCCup! :E
I'm so out of practice, that now all I train is some really cheesy snipe builds (think early Firebat drop timings, into Valks), so maybe you can perfect something ridiculous like double slow lurker drop!
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 08:10:12
September 03 2012 08:08 GMT
#18
On September 03 2012 16:55 bITt.mAN wrote:
I agree with you full-heartedly in your abhorrence of the Protoss race. Only that, without playing vP, you'll never get any games on iCCup! :E
I'm so out of practice, that now all I train is some really cheesy snipe builds (think early Firebat drop timings, into Valks), so maybe you can perfect something ridiculous like double slow lurker drop!

In order to get that phase of the game, I need to be able to hold off the early zealot shenanigans. A protoss player can tell me that he's 2 gating me and I still won't be able to hold it off. I sometimes ban them, sometimes I defuse them with my ladder points. If there is a BM case on me, I'm pretty sure that the guy is protoss.

On September 03 2012 16:49 Birdie wrote:
ZvT is awesome, my favourite matchup by far. My only problem is losing after terran gets up a large enough force; I don't know how to break it open. Probably just my slow defilers I guess.

Bio or mech? If it's bio probably lurker-defiler should do it with swarm+plague. My defiler control sucks so I don't know what to do. Still have to go for defilers though.

On September 03 2012 16:48 rebdomine wrote:
I really should play more. Maybe when I get some stuff sorted out I can start playing actively again.

Reading about games is pretty fun. Can't wait until I can play too.

Find me on iccup when you can play. I like ZvZ too. I like that micro fest.
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SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 03 2012 09:14 GMT
#19
On September 03 2012 13:34 sundersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 13:14 SarR wrote:
Been more than a year since I quite BW....ICCUP must be dead now.


I never had to wait more than 30 seconds for a game (usually someone joins within 5 seconds), but I hosted and this was in D ranks.


Well that's good to know. If I ever get the itch I can scratch it on ICCUP still.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 03 2012 11:06 GMT
#20
On September 03 2012 18:14 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 13:34 sundersoft wrote:
On September 03 2012 13:14 SarR wrote:
Been more than a year since I quite BW....ICCUP must be dead now.


I never had to wait more than 30 seconds for a game (usually someone joins within 5 seconds), but I hosted and this was in D ranks.


Well that's good to know. If I ever get the itch I can scratch it on ICCUP still.

The best place to scratch an itch is of course iccup. There is nothing like getting cheesed by peruvians. By the way I realized that the picture that shows my monster spams doesn't actually show my monster spams because I didn't click one of my units. Lol fml.
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SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 03 2012 11:42 GMT
#21
On September 03 2012 20:06 Djagulingu wrote:
The best place to scratch an itch is of course iccup. There is nothing like getting cheesed by peruvians.


Oh god don;t remind me......It used to drive me absolutely nuts getting 2 gated by Tosses especially on HBR.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
September 03 2012 13:25 GMT
#22
On September 03 2012 17:08 Djagulingu wrote:


Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 16:48 rebdomine wrote:
I really should play more. Maybe when I get some stuff sorted out I can start playing actively again.

Reading about games is pretty fun. Can't wait until I can play too.

Find me on iccup when you can play. I like ZvZ too. I like that micro fest.


Feel free to add me then: sGs.rebs
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 03 2012 13:38 GMT
#23
On September 03 2012 20:42 SarR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 20:06 Djagulingu wrote:
The best place to scratch an itch is of course iccup. There is nothing like getting cheesed by peruvians.


Oh god don;t remind me......It used to drive me absolutely nuts getting 2 gated by Tosses especially on HBR.

Peruvian 2gate man, works on every map. Not just HBR. What about cannon blocks between main and natural on HBR? Or proxy gates?

On September 03 2012 22:25 rebdomine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 17:08 Djagulingu wrote:


On September 03 2012 16:48 rebdomine wrote:
I really should play more. Maybe when I get some stuff sorted out I can start playing actively again.

Reading about games is pretty fun. Can't wait until I can play too.

Find me on iccup when you can play. I like ZvZ too. I like that micro fest.


Feel free to add me then: sGs.rebs

Sure thing. I'll catch up to you. You should add me too: sGs.Keedcuddy
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28626 Posts
September 03 2012 14:56 GMT
#24
brood war is SO AWESOME. and zvt is easily the best matchup. honestly zvt in brood war is a long distance ahead of any other thing in any other thing - from both sides.
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SarR
Profile Joined June 2011
476 Posts
September 03 2012 19:32 GMT
#25
On September 03 2012 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
What about cannon blocks between main and natural on HBR? Or proxy gates?


Good lord, someone stealing from me cannot induce even a fraction of the rage that Protoss faggotry can lol.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
September 03 2012 21:35 GMT
#26
On September 03 2012 23:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
brood war is SO AWESOME. and zvt is easily the best matchup. honestly zvt in brood war is a long distance ahead of any other thing in any other thing - from both sides.

RE?!
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28626 Posts
September 03 2012 23:17 GMT
#27
yes!
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 04 2012 02:58 GMT
#28
On September 04 2012 08:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yes!


Annihilate him!
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 04 2012 06:12 GMT
#29
On September 04 2012 08:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yes!

I want in too
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