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I was surprised when I read that TL would add DotA 2 to its main site. It seems too fast, and with no warning whatsoever.
I kind of miss a featured vote with the users on wether or not this should be. Or any way for us to give oppinions on it. I think its ok to add a wiki for it, a forum for it, but adding it to the news and thus watering out the Starcraft news is sad in my oppinion.
This was/is my place for Starcraft, I've played LoL, DotA and other games that have had subforums here, but I have always felt TeamLiquid is a place for Starcraft. GosuGamers added so many games that it lost its attraction for me, now TL is doing the same. I would be very supportive of making a sister-site for it, with its own layout and stuff, like with the site for the TL team, but just adding Dota 2 into TL as it is, that just ain't cool. Or maybe even doing like on GG.net, that you can choose the different games, and exclusively get that.
Am I the only one who has this oppinion?
I was worried when SC2 came that the community would grow sour, filled with haters and trolls, but TeamLiquid survived that really well. Its still a great community, where people who wants help gets help, where one respect oneanother, and get the update on Starcraft that one craves.
But it sadly seems like the site itself has changed. It doesn't have the same philosophy as it did back when I first started to read here, back when Nal_Ra was my biggest hero, and had just the basic understanding of the game. It takes money for sponsored threads, it has commercials, it's feels more like a business than a down to earth community for gamers now. This last addition is just what made me feel like TL is not itself anymore.
I feel like an era is over. I am sad...
  
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Oh, and what's up with the layout around the DotA 2 news? It does not synergize with the TL layout at all. It looks like a goth has crashed the place o_O
I know I sound like a PMSing bitch atm, but it hurts me to realize that TL is loosing its appeal to me. I have loved TL for soooo many years. It's so sad.
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maybe they can add checkbox option in profile to not see dota 2 news?
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You're such a vinegarpisser OP,
If you don't like the Dota2 sections, you can just turn that off and you won't even know it's there.
Also, TL is ruled by the mods/admins, not by the users. You don't have a vote here.
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There's a cog top left to hide DOTA 2 stuff as per the article. The rest can be turned off here and here.
I have no interest at all in TL DOTA stuff, and it does seem a little bit of an odd choice to me, but it's easy enough for us to keep our focus on StarCraft and let those who do like that stuff enjoy it with an awesome community. 
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On August 31 2012 01:36 Wortie wrote:
You're such a vinegarpisser OP,
If you don't like the Dota2 sections, you can just turn that off and you won't even know it's there.
Also, TL is ruled by the mods/admins, not by the users. You don't have a vote here.
I've always felt TL was a place for the community, and that the mods/admins listened to us. And that it is not anymore is one of the sad things. Why should a community site NOT have a vote with the community, or inform us of its plans over such things?
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You can just remove Dota 2? Everything stays the same.
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At the very top left there is a settings icon, and you can deselect Dota 2 if you desire. If that's what you meant. It does look different but change is sometimes for the better. Still my favorite format and layout of any forum I've been to ever.
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On August 31 2012 01:42 Rkie wrote:
At the very top left there is a settings icon, and you can deselect Dota 2 if you desire. If that's what you meant. It does look different but change is sometimes for the better. Still my favorite format and layout of any forum I've been to ever.
If you deselect everything Dota 2 related, you'll remove every trace of Dota 2 from TL.
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Yeah, the ability to turn of all that stuff is handy. I've done it, and it works fine with everything except the news thingie on the front page it seems.
But I still don't like the idea of implementing it into the site.
I want a good site where I can get DotA 2 news, I just don't think its a good combination with SC and TL.
TeamLiquid is Starcraft, Starcraft is TeamLiquid. At least that was my impression before.
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Hyrule19050 Posts
It hasn't been fast, either. We've been working on this for months.
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On August 31 2012 01:40 Iyerbeth wrote:There's a cog top left to hide DOTA 2 stuff as per the article. The rest can be turned off here and here. I have no interest at all in TL DOTA stuff, and it does seem a little bit of an odd choice to me, but it's easy enough for us to keep our focus on StarCraft and let those who do like that stuff enjoy it with an awesome community.
Thanks for this. The customization is pretty nifty, as I just removed a bunch of stuff.
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If anything it's going to help get me more interested in Dota2 which I know is quite a good game. As always TL is amazing with allowing to customize out Dota if a user so desires. You can literally filter ALL Dota news, streams, calendar entries and forums out if you want to, effectively removing Dota out of existence...
Now if TL chose LoL over Dota I might have had some issues.
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On August 31 2012 01:29 RogerRus wrote:
I was surprised when I read that TL would add DotA 2 to its main site. It seems too fast, and with no warning whatsoever.
I kind of miss a featured vote with the users on wether or not this should be. Or any way for us to give oppinions on it. I think its ok to add a wiki for it, a forum for it, but adding it to the news and thus watering out the Starcraft news is sad in my oppinion.
This was/is my place for Starcraft, I've played LoL, DotA and other games that have had subforums here, but I have always felt TeamLiquid is a place for Starcraft. GosuGamers added so many games that it lost its attraction for me, now TL is doing the same. I would be very supportive of making a sister-site for it, with its own layout and stuff, like with the site for the TL team, but just adding Dota 2 into TL as it is, that just ain't cool. Or maybe even doing like on GG.net, that you can choose the different games, and exclusively get that.
Am I the only one who has this oppinion?
I was worried when SC2 came that the community would grow sour, filled with haters and trolls, but TeamLiquid survived that really well. Its still a great community, where people who wants help gets help, where one respect oneanother, and get the update on Starcraft that one craves.
But it sadly seems like the site itself has changed. It doesn't have the same philosophy as it did back when I first started to read here, back when Nal_Ra was my biggest hero, and had just the basic understanding of the game. It takes money for sponsored threads, it has commercials, it's feels more like a business than a down to earth community for gamers now. This last addition is just what made me feel like TL is not itself anymore.
I feel like an era is over. I am sad...
sc2 news is continuing like ever, not getting watered down. sc2 writing staff are still going to write sc2, dota2 stuff is a seperate thing
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On August 31 2012 01:41 RogerRus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 01:36 Wortie wrote:
You're such a vinegarpisser OP,
If you don't like the Dota2 sections, you can just turn that off and you won't even know it's there.
Also, TL is ruled by the mods/admins, not by the users. You don't have a vote here. I've always felt TL was a place for the community, and that the mods/admins listened to us. And that it is not anymore is one of the sad things. Why should a community site NOT have a vote with the community, or inform us of its plans over such things?
I just don't understand, why you would be so sad about a thing that gets added to TL, which you can turn COMPLETELY off.
By the way, the mods actually listened to the users, if you actually read the article, then you see it says that there already was a Dota2 community within TeamLiquid. Now TeamLiquid just decided to give some extra support to that subcommunity. I seriously don't understand why you would be sad about that.
Like, I came here after the sc2 beta. Brood War didn't hold so much interest for me, so I didn't really post there anyway. I don't know where you got this "contamination" idea from. Another thing why TL isn't like the battle.net forums is because of the strict moderation in this place. I don't think you will have to worry about shitposting or whatever. You should go see the closed thread section once in a while for shits and giggles. Then you see what actually gets removed all the time.
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I felt the same way when everything switched to sc2 ((,
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There is this convenient preference option to not be able to see anything DOTA 2 related! Also, e-sports is a thing now, a real, living, breathing monster of a thing that is just growing. It is bigger now than it has ever been, and what is spearheading this? SC2 and MOBA games. I knew it was a matter of time before they picked up a moba game to have for here, and I think that they waited an appropriate amount of time to let these games develop, and they chose right. I have played a bit of DOTA 2 and am very excited for the future of it.
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While we're talking about getting everything dota2 removed from TL, can someone tell me how to get the dota2 news out of featured/community news? I can't find a way to do that D:
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On August 31 2012 02:08 Wortie wrote:
By the way, the mods actually listened to the users, if you actually read the article, then you see it says that there already was a Dota2 community within TeamLiquid. Now TeamLiquid just decided to give some extra support to that subcommunity. I seriously don't understand why you would be sad about that.
Well, if thats all there is to it there should be a ton of other games supported more by TL too, but there is not(And I'm glad for it).
On August 31 2012 02:08 Wortie wrote:
Like, I came here after the sc2 beta. Brood War didn't hold so much interest for me, so I didn't really post there anyway. I don't know where you got this "contamination" idea from. Another thing why TL isn't like the battle.net forums is because of the strict moderation in this place. I don't think you will have to worry about shitposting or whatever. You should go see the closed thread section once in a while for shits and giggles. Then you see what actually gets removed all the time.
I was afraid of that when the switch came for sc2, because there were alot fewer mods, and it could have turned into a situation where it would be too hard to moderate everything. But it turnerd out fine, and I'm not worried about the community side anymore. I kind of stated that already in the blog. And I know, reading the banlist and stuff is really entertaining stuff. =]
On August 31 2012 02:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
I felt the same way when everything switched to sc2 ((,
Yeah, I did that too, to a certain degree, but it was still Starcraft, so I was kinda ok with it. But I did not like the decline of BW content and interest that followed, even thoug I'm over it now, mostly because there practically is no more BW. But I would certainly not approve if a similar thing happened in this case.
On August 31 2012 02:51 huameng wrote:
While we're talking about getting everything dota2 removed from TL, can someone tell me how to get the dota2 news out of featured/community news? I can't find a way to do that D:
The little button in the top left, remove everything DotA 2.
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SC2 portal, DOTA2 portal, nothing for BW but the old forums. If there was any doubt that TeamLiquid is after eyeballs...anyway it's just a few tweaks here and there from feeling more like a general video games community than a StarCraft one.
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I am personally a huge fan of this addition, I love DotA 2. I think its one of the most rewarding games out there if you take the time to master it.
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On August 31 2012 02:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
I felt the same way when everything switched to sc2 ((,
Yeah.
TL is a site for Esports. SC2 got added before it was even out.
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Why isn't Dota2 simply in the games & sports section?
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On August 31 2012 05:08 Roe wrote:
Why isn't Dota2 simply in the games & sports section?
It was, and has been for the past few months.
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The eras been dead for awhile, its just what happens with growth
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On August 31 2012 03:23 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 02:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
I felt the same way when everything switched to sc2 ((, Yeah. TL is a site for Esports.
Thought I'd correct this to "TL is a site for profit." but then it hit me. :o
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meh, i don't play moba games. i too enjoyed the fact that this was a dedicated sc site.
but the money seems to be with moba games now.
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Come on man. You don't get to choose everything that gets displayed on this site, no matter how much you want to believe that you do. There's good news though: Team Liquid is a great website with great people administrating it, and their aims don't need to align perfectly with yours for the site to be great. People have worked their ass off to make this site a money making venture, and it's not like the Dota 2 section is replacing the SC2 section. If they added the Dota 2 section in the interest of making money, doesn't that nurture the longevity of the SC2 section? Appreciate what you have, because one day it might not be here anymore. It's amazing what TL has accomplished.
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I liked it when this site was a dedicated BW site. But even since that changed I don't really see any reason for TL not to take on Dota2.
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Most of you guys seriously need to lighten up. With all the options they have build in you can see as much or as little from Dota2 as you wish.
I personally applaud TL for adding another game to their coverage section. TL hasn't sold you out but instead chose for the game they though would fit the feeling of TL best. With this I mean that they added a game in which the skill gap plays a big role. Meaning it isn't about grinding but about understanding the game, and acting upon your insight.
Sure, they could have confined themselves to only covering SC(2) but let's be honest here. Do you want to see your favorite E-sports site prosper or die within 5 years? If you chose "prosper" you need to accept that diversity has to be a part of this dream. You can't confine yourself to 1 game while trying to maintain an objective stance in the developing world of E-sports imo. E-sports how I personally understand it, is about how hard a game is to master. Not about how cool it is to nuke a ling.
If you really believe TL has to stay away from anything else as SC(2) you automatically condemn them to an early grave as there is no way imo that a single game will stay in the race forever. In the volatile world of E-sports concepts change, players change and even formats change. The one thing that keeps the same and that binds us together is the love to watch a game where a players creativity can make the difference. Creativity is also the main reason top players can switch between games. It's their ability to think outside the box instead of being confined by the mechanics of a single unit / hero / etc.
In the end a game is just a game and it can only rise and fall as far as the developers want it to go. The developers need to have the heart (and balls) to make something the (top)player can run amok with. With this I mean that the developers are responsible for the sound foundations and have to make sure some form of balance is present, but leave enough room for the players to experiment and come up with new ways to achieve things the developers couldn't even dream of.
That's why I personally have a love for E-sports and especially TL. Both are trying to find new boundaries to develop the coming years. Sure, this community could lay back and just absorb what happens around it. But imo this community has always been the leader of the pack. So lets go out there and find those games worth watching and playing on a high level. Lets dream big and see a future before us that involves E-sports as a stable part of our existence.
If you only want to see TL covering SC I have nothing against you as it was the game that brought you here and served you a lot of pleasure and entertainment, but please instead of voicing your grieve this way, just check the right boxes so you wont see anything from Dota and still enjoy everything you had before.
I for one just hope TL with it's great moderation and community can just keep growing and adding games where appropriate.
ps. Quake live really opened my eyes about how another genre was able to be a real E-sport imo. It was all about timing the artifacts and reading your opponent. What will he go for or what will I go for and in that case where is he waiting for me. It really was an eyeopener for me that a first person shooters could have the same feeling as I had within SC. The only sad part was that I came way to late to the party and it was already dieing when I learned to appreciate it.
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I would love to see GO picked up officially, fyi
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Imo they should make an Anime portal and a Korean Music portal.
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On August 31 2012 08:18 tofucake wrote:
I would love to see GO picked up officially, fyi
This I can support. Sincerely. Wrong Go.
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On August 31 2012 08:18 tofucake wrote:
I would love to see GO picked up officially, fyi
Same, I think that LoL, Dota 2, and CS GO should be the top three pickup choices for TL, in reverse order.
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On August 31 2012 08:41 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:18 tofucake wrote:
I would love to see GO picked up officially, fyi Same, I think that LoL, Dota 2, and CS GO should be the top three pickup choices for TL, in reverse order.
But then TL would be just the average gaming site, just with a better forum. But for sure, if one should pick up one game, it makes sense to pick up several others that people have interest in as well.
On August 31 2012 08:08 Golden Ghost wrote:
If you really believe TL has to stay away from anything else as SC(2) you automatically condemn them to an early grave
I'm not so sure. There are STILL people playing BW, streaming it, commentating it, and loving it. The people wih dedication and love for SC would still stick around, and still make TL the best site. And I would rather keep it like that, instead of having the site still being there, but the users change greatly.
In addition: the discussion between hardcore gamers of different games always end up showing some hatred. One can clearly see it in most of the threads/blogs discussing the DotA 2 addition already. I and others question it(even if I like DotA) and the DotA fanboys give some massive hatred back every once in a while. They are not understanding or supportive, just straight out bashing people that don't support it. Not in a way that gets one banned, but enough to make people feel bad, and not wanting to post anymore. And thats not cool.
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On August 31 2012 01:34 triforks wrote:
maybe they can add checkbox option in profile to not see dota 2 news?
lol ^^
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On August 31 2012 20:07 RogerRus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 08:08 Golden Ghost wrote:
If you really believe TL has to stay away from anything else as SC(2) you automatically condemn them to an early grave
I'm not so sure. There are STILL people playing BW, streaming it, commentating it, and loving it. The people wih dedication and love for SC would still stick around, and still make TL the best site. And I would rather keep it like that, instead of having the site still being there, but the users change greatly. In addition: the discussion between hardcore gamers of different games always end up showing some hatred. One can clearly see it in most of the threads/blogs discussing the DotA 2 addition already. I and others question it(even if I like DotA) and the DotA fanboys give some massive hatred back every once in a while. They are not understanding or supportive, just straight out bashing people that don't support it. Not in a way that gets one banned, but enough to make people feel bad, and not wanting to post anymore. And thats not cool.
I agree with you that there most likely will, for a long time, be a passionate group of people still involved with BW. The problem however is that this group is not big enough to sustain TL as a business. Sure, as a comunity it can survive and perhaps with a few donations here and there it can pay for the server costs. And in essence that is all you need for a small thight knit community.
However the people who work hard at making TL what it is with all it´s newsposts, site maintenance and countless other features also need to eat and live and that means they need money for working (fulltime) on the site. And for that to be possible you need something on a bigger scale as the tight knit BW enthousiasts.
My conclusion would be that although TL could survive with only the small BW enthousiast, I believe it would be a rather static website with infrequent updates and more often then not the news would be scattered in the forum and rather hard to find. Kind of like the early days of TL
ps. and I can only hope that everybody who is disrespectfull of the other games gets a good wake up call. I you don´t like a game please just stay away from it. You can customise TL through the little cog on the top left so you don´t have to see anything related to that specific game.
On top of that you can customize how you want the sidebars to look like. Below the left side bar is a link called "customize sidebar" where you can swap around / hide the different blocks and what you want to see in them. For the right side the link is called "sidebar settings".
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On August 31 2012 01:29 RogerRus wrote:
I feel like an era is over. I am sad...
All this is way too pretentious.
You're not asking for democracy, you're asking for stupidocracy.
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On August 31 2012 21:33 russian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 01:29 RogerRus wrote:
I feel like an era is over. I am sad... All this is way too pretentious. You're not asking for democracy, you're asking for stupidocracy.
What's the difference between a democracy and a stupidocracy? People's opinions actually matter in the latter?
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If you can't beat them, join them.
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You know, as someone who likes to watch a bit of Quake, I know it would be cool if another eSport was covered. What got me was that you could remove every trace of Starcraft from the site, that is more of an issue for me than having another game as an option, which is cool. 'If they have too look at some SC content too bad, cause it is awesome.' Would have been my way of doing it.
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On August 31 2012 01:36 Wortie wrote:
You're such a vinegarpisser OP,
If you don't like the Dota2 sections, you can just turn that off and you won't even know it's there.
Also, TL is ruled by the mods/admins, not by the users. You don't have a vote here.
People can talk. Don't be like that.
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People need to stop with the whole "when's it gonna end??" thing. There won't be another game added to teamliquid for a long ass time.
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Read my signature and deal with it.
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as long as I can ignore the dota stuff, it's absolutely fine for me.
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