EPTOn October 29 2012 10:06 Funnytoss wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Why so serious?
China is NOT communist anymore - Page 4
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Why so serious? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
How true Haxley was. | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
It is state capitalism. That's what it is. | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
On October 29 2012 13:20 Tommie wrote: Is there anyone who still thinks China is communist? de jure, yes. Just like NK, Vietnam, Laos and Cuba. de facto - that is anyone's guess? Why does it have to be so black and white? No country ever achieved "communism", but that never stopped them from claiming to hold it as their ideology. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On July 02 2012 01:02 Kupon3ss wrote: In truth, no country was ever truly "democratic" outside of a few Greek city-states, and even then it was limited to rich white men that's why they are called republics | ||
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Xuna
2 Posts
Communism means equality. A society where the Government provides everything for the people. There is no poor people and no rich people. The government owns everything and has to provide for everything. There should be no homeless people and no private schools. The governments provides everything and there are no rich or poor people. This is original communism from Karl Marx the father of communism. Communism starts out with a dictator. And then at stage 3 the dictator must give away his power to the government. Here are the 3 steps of communism. 1. Dictatorship - The dictator rallies the people to fight the government 2. After winning over the government the Dictator has the responsibility to create a system where everyone is equal. There are no poor and rich people. Everyone is equal and the government owns everything. 3. The dictator gives his power to the government. This means a government rules the people without a leader. China has never become communism because Chinese dictators never wanted to give their power away back to the government in the first place. Mao Zedong started out with Karl Marx ideology but then he became greedy and power blinded him. So Mao Zedong created Maoism that replace communism from Karl Marx. What China has today is NOT Communism. It is Maoism created by Mao. Where the rich rules over the poor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism There has never existed a communist state to this date. Because the dictators does not want to give away their powers. There exist a communist ideology but never a communist state. Stalin started out with Communism and then he created stalinism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism Vietnam started out with communist ideology but it was never implemented. Vietnam is a country where the rich rules over the poor and there is no equality. Remember communism is a country where everyone is equal. There is no equality in these fake so called communist countries. These countries that calls them self communist are not following communist ideology. There is no communism in modern world 2014. China, Vietnam, Colombia, North Korea. Everything these countries has in common is that the rich and powerful people controls everything. And now lets talk about Democracy. Democracy means the people govern the government directly. It means a government ruled by the people for the people. USA is not a democracy. USA is a republic. So here is how the story goes. 1. Democracy in Athens killed Socrates. 2. Plato the student of Socrates hates democracy. So Plato invented the republic. A government ruled by laws and not the people. Roman republic was a the first republic to follow the Republic of Plato. In this government the people would choose their leader. Only rich people was allowed to be elected leaders. This means the elite ruled the poor. But in this republic Plato gives them liberty and women equal rights. Yes equal rights between women and men comes from Plato and not Greek democracy. The leader was called Consuls. Julius Gaius Ceasar was a consul. The modern word for Consul is president and prime ministers. 3. So in other words. There are no democracy in today's modern world. Because we all follow ideology of Plato. The man that hated democracy and invented a system where everything is ruled by law and not the people. Semi direct and representative democracy is NOT DEMOCRACY. You have been brain washed guys. USA is a republic following Plato ideology of Republic. The rule of Republic has a weakness. If the President gets to much power he becomes a king or dictator. Julius Gaius Caesar received to much power as a Consul and started Civil war in Rome. He wanted to become emperor of Rome. Vladimir Putin of the Russian republic is becoming soon emperor or dictator. Vladimir Putin received to much power as a president in the Russian Republic. President Bashar al-Assad in Syria is now king/dictator. Every ideology of rule will always go back to the beginning. It will go back to dictators, kings and emperors. That is the weakness of every politic system today. The weakness of Republic of United States. Is that USA will soon become a dictatorship or a country ruled by kings or emperors. That is the weakness of all ideology. It will always go back to the beginning. Kings will always rule the world but no kings rules forever. Napoleon from France knew this. Napoleon knew it will always go back to kings and dictators. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
As a poli sci teacher, the first thing I have to say is that your notions of communism and democracy are the ones taught to undergrads before they actually develop their critical thinking skills. Your head is loaded with concepts like the Republic which you've probably read in your first semester, then you had a class in which you learned about capitalism, communism, socialism, and you absorbed those notions in their very raw, "pure" forms. Your professor, likely aware of your cognitive limits (not yours specifically), gave you those raw notions so that you could make sense of them later, and realize that they're actually very malleable. Communism means a broad variety of different things depending on who you ask, and Karl Marx's ideal-typed version of communism, despite being the original one, is not the only one. Later in your studies, or perhaps you're an autodidact and you like reading (wikipedia pages...), you'll learn that social sciences are not about putting rigid schemes into little boxes in your head, but rather, you have to learn to articulate what you know in a coherent way. Certainly, China has never been a communist system in the way Marx envisaged it, and hell, even the USSR's partially communist regime didn't come about in the ways envisaged by Marx. And yet many of the principles were those of communism. Can we not say that the Soviet Union was a communist regime even though it wasn't a perfect carbon copy of Marx's thoughts? Can we not say that Mao's China was communism because it wasn't a carbon copy? Yes one core principle of communism is equality, but the fact that this principle is unattainable in reality doesn't mean that communism can't exist. Similarly, perfect democracy is impossible. The US is not a "democracy" if you use a rigid and useless definition of democracy. And that's why we can say the US is reasonably democratic because these terms are adapted to our reality. Yes, you can definitely bring up the fact that for instance Sweden's democracy is not the "original", or "pure" concept of democracy, but nonetheless I think that people know what you mean when you talk about X country's democracy. It's inevitably an imperfect regime where the people are given a part of the power. I could ramble about, and I could address your prediction about the inevitable doom of representative democracies, but yeah. This is an old thread. October 2012. Let it die. If you want to educate people about the formal definitions of terms, go on a linguistics forum or something. | ||
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Xuna
2 Posts
1. Monarchy the reigning power [Power of military] 2. Parliament the legislative power [Power of law] 3. The Court the judiciary [Power of judge] Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Britain are parliamentary powers! The Prime minister administrates the power of law. Therefore making it parliament and not democracy. In a democracy there exist no kings and powers is not shared between 3 powers. In USA there is the reigning power and the opposition to prevent the reigning power to gain unlimited powers. Every country in the world follows Plato ideology the rule of laws. Not democratic rule. And when a party gets to much power. It leads back to dictatorship and kings. Just look at Russia and Syria in 2015. Started out as republic in modern world and then back to dictatorships and kings. Or look at Egypt. Egypt was a Republic and now it is a dictatorship. Same thing will follow in Europe and USA. In Russia the opposition power got destroyed. And that is why Putin has unlimited powers to do whatever he wishes. In Syria the same happened. In Egypt the same happened. And BTW. I am not multi accounting. I just saw this topic as interesting. That is all. Admins can confirm this. | ||
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oBlade
United States5145 Posts
On January 18 2015 02:42 Xuna wrote: And BTW. I am not multi accounting. Guilty conscience? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22203 Posts
On January 18 2015 02:42 Xuna wrote: Power is divided between three institutions. 1. Monarchy the reigning power [Power of military] 2. Parliament the legislative power [Power of law] 3. The Court the judiciary [Power of judge] In USA there is the reigning power and the opposition to prevent the reigning power to gain unlimited powers. surely it applies to the USA as well, you have the Executive Branch (the president), the Legislative (Congress) and the Judicial (SCOTUS) | ||
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