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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 13 2012 02:10 GMT
#1
Disclaimer
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I am not your attorney; you are not my client; you would be stupid to rely on legal advice you find on the internet.


So, this whole Diablo 3 Real Money Auction House got me wondering whether it was actually legal what Blizzard is doing. Just as an intellectual exercise, I was thinking of what claims could be made by crafty attorneys against Blizzard in a class action lawsuit. After thinking about it awhile and reviewing some claims online, I began to think that legitimate claims could actually be made. I discussed this with a partner at my law firm to see if they were actually interested in filing a lawsuit since it seems easy money can be made off of it. He declined for reason unrelated to the merits and I am not dumb enough to go out on my own. However, I thought it would be fun to discuss my thoughts (and some ramblings) with the interwebs.

First, the easy claim: False Advertising.

If you bought the box like I did, it will say "Trade the Spoils of War. Use the Real Money Auction House to buy and sell items for real world currency. Then draw on your earnings to buy ever more powerful items or cash out your trades, take the money, and run. The choice is yours."

Here is a picture.

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So, whats the problem? The game doesn't include RMAH without additional purchase (at least for some people). After the game was released, Blizzard (after multiple snafus) decided that an authenticator was required for the RMAH to prevent further snafus on their part.

Here is the announcement.

In preparation for the upcoming launch of the real-money auction house, we will be making some key changes related to the account-security measures required to use Battle.net Balance. Later today, the following updates will be made to the Terms of Use available on our website, and when the real-money auction house goes live, all players will be asked to re-read and accept these changes the next time they play Diablo III.

Battle.net Balance and Authenticator Update
With the introduction of the real-money auction house, account security will become more important than ever. To help ensure that players have a positive experience when using the real-money auction house, we’ve made some adjustments to how players can use and access their Battle.net Balance.

Starting today, in order to add to your Battle.net Balance, players will be required to have a Battle.net Authenticator or Battle.net Mobile Authenticator attached to their Battle.net account. For clarity, this means you’ll need to have an Authenticator to add to your balance via Battle.net Account Management or to send the proceeds of your real-money auction house sales to your Battle.net Balance.

Please note that players who previously added Battle.net Balance to their account prior to this change will be able to use it to make eligible purchases on Battle.net and in the auction house without attaching an Authenticator. However, an Authenticator will be required to add to your balance in the future, as explained above.

While we understand that this creates an extra step for players during the login process, we believe this added layer of account protection will help foster a safer auction house environment for all of our players.

You can learn more about the Battle.net Authenticator, Battle.net Mobile Authenticator, and other account security information by clicking here.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5594218404

So what? Well, for those of us who don't have smart phones (authenticators are free for smartphone users), we have to purchase an additional $8 physical authenticator to use what is advertised on the box as included in the game. That, my friend, is fucking illegal.

It violates the California Consumer Legal Remedies Act, Cal. Civ. Code section 1750 et seq., which states:

(5) Representing that goods.. have ... characteristics, ... uses, benefits, ... which they do not have ....
(9) Advertising goods or services with intent not to sell them as advertised.

It violates the California False Advertising Law, Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code section 17500 et seq., which states:

It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised.

It violates the California Unfair Competition Law, Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code section 17200 et seq., which states:

As used in this chapter, unfair competition shall mean and include any unlawful, unfair or fraudulent business act or practice and unfair, deceptive, untrue or misleading advertising and any act prohibited by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17500) of Part 3 of Division 7 of the Business and Professions Code.

And, it is also arguably a breach of contract and breach of warranty. Although this becomes more tricky because of the terms of service you agree to when you use the game for the first time. Of course, terms of service don't allow Blizzard to lie to you when you purchase the game and then force you to waive their fraud when you want to use the game.

So, what does this mean? It means you may be entitled to a full refund of your game (and potentially the authenticator as well). Blizzard may be subject to civil penalties (if the California Attorney General or District Attorneys get involved). You can potentially recover all of your attorneys' fees if you are successful. And, you can totally fuck Blizzard in the ass for this bullshit.

Now, so far this has seemed pretty straightforward, but my mind wanders, and I wonder, can they really do this RMAH thing when they control the market?

Some background. Blizzard gets $1 for each transaction on the RMAH. It makes it money based on the number of transactions, not the amount of the transaction. So, its in Blizzard's benefit if there are more transactions and at lower cost (more likely that people will buy a lower priced item). Users obviously make more money if the transaction is higher priced (covers the transaction fee and gives them the remainder) and there are less transactions (keeps prices on items high). Got it? Good.

Well, if you are Blizzard, how do you get more transactions for lower amounts? You make it easier to get high level (ilvl 61-63) drops, which are what people want to buy. That reduces the price on the items and makes more of them available on the market. How does that affect you? It means items you find are worth less over time because of the influx of new items especially considering the farmers who do nothing but search for items to sell.

Wait, wait, wait. Blizzard wouldn't fuck us like that, right? What do you think?

We’re shifting to a philosophy where the best items in the game can drop from many different places, so a wider variety of play styles are viable. If you would rather chain-pull elite packs in Act I than 3 minute cat-and-mouse in Act IV, we'd like you to be able to do that and know you can still find the best items in the game.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6262208/Patch_103_Design_Preview-6_6_2012

Is that illegal? I actually don't know. I was going to research this if the partners gave me the go-ahead. But consider this, state and federal antitrust laws prevent companies from manipulating the market to increase their profits. Isn't that what Blizzard is doing? They are manipulating the item drops, which will increase the number of RMAH auctions, lower those prices and increase their profits, all at the cost of the people who do the work to find the items.

wait, wait, wait. Freak, you are paranoid. Well, maybe (especially since i am talking to myself in my blog), but if I was paranoid, I would argue that Blizzard's employees were selling items on the RMAH auction house. Wouldn't that be funny.

Anyways, I will end my ramblings. Just food for thought.

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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 13 2012 02:13 GMT
#2
That's a good bunch of things to think about
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 13 2012 02:19 GMT
#3
Interesting dota.

Looks like something to pursue if you have time + energy.

5/5 for this lawyer bizzit, I love it.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 13 2012 02:24 GMT
#4
posted it on the blizzard forum to see what would happen.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5794789702#1
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:30:37
June 13 2012 02:30 GMT
#5
Some of the Battle.net responses are fuckin' hilarious.

This is seriously the most ridiculous thing ever. Get a !@#$ing life.

You are why people hate lawyers. you ARE THAT GUY. Congratulations.

Good stuff.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:45:28
June 13 2012 02:41 GMT
#6
If you bought the box like I did, it will say "Trade the Spoils of War. Use the Real Money Auction House to buy and sell items for real world currency. Then draw on your earnings to buy ever more powerful items or cash out your trades, take the money, and run. The choice is yours."


wouldn't the main counter argument be:

"that wasn't meant to be a warranty, that was just puffery" (?)

(eg like when a fruit dealer says "I'm selling the best bananas in the land" or something, it might be reasonable for the advertisement to not to match precisely)
Dess.JadeFalcon
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2012 02:42 GMT
#7
I got your back in that Battle.net thread, dAPhREAk.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
June 13 2012 02:45 GMT
#8
Interesting. I imagine the RMAH in and of itself is legal. I can't imagine Blizzard constructing it without consulting with their fleet of lawyers every step of the way. But I could totally see them adding the authenticator requirement almost as an afterthought and not considering what it says on the box. You've got them there, but it feels like it's on a technicality. Damn lawyers.
whole lies with a half smile
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
June 13 2012 02:45 GMT
#9
Ah the BNet Forums make for good reading.
icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:51:26
June 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#10
Pretty interesting, as far as i know there seem to be a lot of lawyers out of a job.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?pagewanted=all

Could you maybe talk about the costs (plus possible rewards) for such a lawyer without employment to go out on his own (find clients) and fund the trial?
I am the Punishment of God. If you had not commited great sins, god would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#11
On June 13 2012 11:30 Archas wrote:
Some of the Battle.net responses are fuckin' hilarious.

Show nested quote +
This is seriously the most ridiculous thing ever. Get a !@#$ing life.

Show nested quote +
You are why people hate lawyers. you ARE THAT GUY. Congratulations.

Good stuff.


Ahahahahhhahah now I'm going to waste a good 10 minutes reading hilarious bnet threads. I had no idea some of these were such goldmines of retardery
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:50:53
June 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#12
On June 13 2012 11:30 Archas wrote:
Some of the Battle.net responses are fuckin' hilarious.

Show nested quote +
This is seriously the most ridiculous thing ever. Get a !@#$ing life.

Show nested quote +
You are why people hate lawyers. you ARE THAT GUY. Congratulations.

Good stuff.

Yeah the blizzard forums really do suck. Anyhow, this is a good thread. I like to think about stuff like this, it's funny. I wouldn't be offended if someone decided to do this and won, but I also am not one of those guys that buys and plays blizzard games but also wants blizzard to immolate in hell for all of eternity while being forced to try to beat flash in BW with only their knee and the mouse, no screen and blindfolds, and they have to also maintain a level 60 barbarian dodging belail on inforno's attacks and everytime blizzard loses a game of BW or dies to belail they get electrocute to add to their never-ending immolation.

Yeah, I'm not one of those guys.
Good blog.

EDIT:

On June 13 2012 11:41 Kalingingsong wrote:
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If you bought the box like I did, it will say "Trade the Spoils of War. Use the Real Money Auction House to buy and sell items for real world currency. Then draw on your earnings to buy ever more powerful items or cash out your trades, take the money, and run. The choice is yours."


wouldn't the main counter argument be:

"that wasn't meant to be a warranty, that was just puffery" (?)

(eg like when a fruit dealer says "I'm selling the best bananas in the land" or something, it might be reasonable for the advertisement to not to match precisely)

That is the best example ever.
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Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
June 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#13
but even if it is illegal, how much would you sue for?
Dess.JadeFalcon
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2012 02:51 GMT
#14
On June 13 2012 11:49 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:30 Archas wrote:
Some of the Battle.net responses are fuckin' hilarious.

This is seriously the most ridiculous thing ever. Get a !@#$ing life.

You are why people hate lawyers. you ARE THAT GUY. Congratulations.

Good stuff.

Yeah the blizzard forums really do suck. Anyhow, this is a good thread. I like to think about stuff like this, it's funny. I wouldn't be offended if someone decided to do this and won, but I also am not one of those guys that buys and plays blizzard games but also wants blizzard to immolate in hell for all of eternity while being forced to try to beat flash in BW with only their knee and the mouse, no screen and blindfolds, and they have to also maintain a level 60 barbarian dodging belail on inforno's attacks and everytime blizzard loses a game of BW or dies to belail they get electrocute to add to their never-ending immolation.

Yeah, I'm not one of those guys.
Good blog.

Yeah, but tell us how you really feel.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2012 02:51 GMT
#15
ROFL, the thread was deleted!
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
June 13 2012 02:53 GMT
#16
LOL Blizzard is scared someone may be getting the wrong idea from your theorycrafting, daphreak.
Thread is deleted.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:56:38
June 13 2012 02:55 GMT
#17
Wow. Doesn't censorship infuriate you? not meaning to sound all conspiracy-esque or whatever, but I really really really hate censorship. It's like bullying

(of course it's okay to censor things that violate the TOS, but where in the TOS/EULA/whatever does it say you can't have an intellectual thought experiment, even if it's something about the law?)
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 02:58:26
June 13 2012 02:57 GMT
#18
Now I think you should sue, the fact they are scared itself says something.

problem:

If you sue and win, and d3 goes the way of the toilet, how many gamers will bring on the hate?
Dess.JadeFalcon
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 03:02:41
June 13 2012 03:02 GMT
#19
Oh wow.

From my WoW experience, they usually only delete things that are;
1. Stupid beyond belief/Trolling/Etc.
2. Actually important.

The important stuff they deleted actually got swept away, it just disappears and stays on non-official forums until it just runs out of energy.

That's probably an indicator, even if my evidence is anecdotal.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 13 2012 03:12 GMT
#20
Topic got deleted for some reason, lol
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
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