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Just Koreans at MLG - Why it's bad - Page 2

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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 06 2012 16:02 GMT
#21
Many "foreign" players have no personality either. The only "foreigner" who has an enormous personality is Idra, due to his BM. The others "foreigners" with personality are just well mannered.
=Þ
m4AC
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany31 Posts
June 06 2012 16:19 GMT
#22
On June 07 2012 01:02 Heh_ wrote:
Many "foreign" players have no personality either. The only "foreigner" who has an enormous personality is Idra, due to his BM. The others "foreigners" with personality are just well mannered.


I have to disagree with you. What has personality to do with being mannered or the reverse(BM)? I like Socke and Hasuobs because to me they have a huge personality, I know their language, I've seen them play in quite a lot of games, have heard what they have to say before, after their games. I listen to them in the "Szenecast" (german SOTG). I like them because I know them alot more than other palyers. I know IdrA and his BM of course, but that kind of personality has no appeal to me. In other words: GO SOCKE, crush those koreans!
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 06 2012 17:03 GMT
#23
On June 07 2012 01:19 m4AC wrote:
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On June 07 2012 01:02 Heh_ wrote:
Many "foreign" players have no personality either. The only "foreigner" who has an enormous personality is Idra, due to his BM. The others "foreigners" with personality are just well mannered.


I have to disagree with you. What has personality to do with being mannered or the reverse(BM)? I like Socke and Hasuobs because to me they have a huge personality, I know their language, I've seen them play in quite a lot of games, have heard what they have to say before, after their games. I listen to them in the "Szenecast" (german SOTG). I like them because I know them alot more than other palyers. I know IdrA and his BM of course, but that kind of personality has no appeal to me. In other words: GO SOCKE, crush those koreans!

If you follow someone closely, you'll obviously notice that they have some personality. Idra's personality is famous for his BM. The OP talked about showboating or moments where raw emotions showed. I haven't seen much of these in "foreigners", a bunch of their post-game interviews are also pretty bland.
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Cyberonic
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany80 Posts
June 06 2012 17:33 GMT
#24
There are obviously multiple ways of self-promotion to create such emotional bonding I talked about. Showing raw emotions is one thing. But you can also let people know your background, your story so that they can build a picture in their heads of who you are and what you believe. Every little info, feeling or thought helps. Sadly the language barrier seems to be hard to overcome for most of them. It's not all about raw emotions, though. Although it's an easy, language-free way of starting.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 06 2012 18:21 GMT
#25
Wow so only 3 non-Koreans. I think they should really set a continent limit. X from Europe, X from America, X from Asia. I actually like watching Koreans crush foreigners. It's just not fun w/o them.
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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
June 06 2012 18:46 GMT
#26
I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. You can see glimpses of the Koreans breaking out of their shell at foreign events and I like this.

TT1 and Naniwa commented on the problem with foreigners just following the Korean example being not that simple. This is the other side of this coin. I agree with their point of view to an extent, but I think there are way too many foreigners who aren't taking it seriously. This needs to change too. The story-line of the foreigners knocking off the Koreans at MLG that seemed to fizzle out was really interesting, while it lasted, but the foreigners didn't fill their end of the bargain on that.
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
June 06 2012 19:22 GMT
#27
Don't forget that some of the koreans are probably semi nerdy as well, haha. Not everyone can be a crowd pleaser.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 06 2012 19:22 GMT
#28
One solution is to have regional qualifiers for pool play but that would screw up the other mlg events i suppose?
Coeus1
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland160 Posts
June 06 2012 19:32 GMT
#29
Which foreigner players *actually* play SC2 8+ hours a day? Unfortunately few hours of SC2 a day (average) and rest of the day doing random stuff / fooling around / playing other games doesn't seem to be enough.

I agree with country/continent restrictions. They would work to some degree.

Also the regional tournament format works, but only works with big regions and big tournaments. US tourny, EU tourny, Asian tourny, Final tourny.

Blizzard is going a bit too far with this, as they have tournaments for individual countries in europe = bad.
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
June 06 2012 19:41 GMT
#30
I made this post in another thread, but the issue of foreigners simply "practicing as much as koreans" is not that simple.

i think the living conditions that foreigner houses have are usually of a higher standard than Korean teamhouses, even though most of the important Korean teams have reasonable accommodation.

What Nani is talking about, I think, is that Koreans have several advantages simply by being in Korea and speaking Korean.

A) Access to high skilled, experienced coaches. All of the big SC2 Korean teams have coaches that are often ex BW coaches as well as being high masters SC2 players. These coaches know how to formulate new strategies, search for proper practice partners, identify weaknesses in opponents and create training regimes for the entire house as well as looking after everything else.

B) Extreme population density. All the major Korean SC2 teams live within around a ~4 hour radius of each other (I think). They can get to and from GOM easily and have access to each other and the talent pool within Seoul and Korea in a very short distance. Additionally the concentration of high skilled, professional players on Korean ladder makes it infinitely better training than any other comparable ladder as well as being an amazing resource for finding appropriate practices partners.

C) The BW legacy. Koreans in SC2 have all had some sort of exposure to the BW scene in Korea. Whether they are ex-BW pros, semi-pro players or just fans, they all have some sort of knowledge of the scene. BW had the highest level of professionalism in any esport ever, meaning that these SC2 pros know inherently how to 'be' a pro due to having native role models to follow. Futhermore, having the BW legacy makes pursuing a progaming career that much more acceptable (although not as widely accepted as we would like to think). Ergo it is ok for guys like Maru and Creator to skip out school to practice and participate. It makes it easier for the unknowns in the scene to rise up and train really hard, not having to concentrate on much else (even those who have to find success, ie Polt)


Now, I know that the MoW house in Poland has a dedicated coach and that players have attested to him doing nearly exactly what I described in the above points.

All this said, the fact is that in order to be the best, one must go to Korea. There is simply no other way to compete. You have to make a name for yourself in the west first and then get lucky to be on a team willing to support an extended stay in Korea, in a teamhouse where you will be the same as any of the other pros there as well as having the support of your family and ability to move thousands of kilometers away to play a video game for a long period.

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still, most of the western scene streamers came out and put up huge hours on D3 as well when it released, yet not a peep from the Koreans T_T. There is obviously still a work ethic gap but not as bad as some people make it out to be

zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
June 06 2012 21:03 GMT
#31
Considering the history of brood war, it was pretty obvious that koreans were going to dominate sc2 in the long run. Hard to say, but it's pretty likely that in another few years foreigners won't even be able to compete with koreans at the highest level
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
June 07 2012 00:46 GMT
#32
Grubby will make a run :D
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