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Razer Mamba vs Steelseries Xai? - Page 2

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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
April 05 2012 11:44 GMT
#21
I've got the Mamba...and I don't particularly like it. I think it is ok as long as you have your hand right over the mouse, but if you just grip the back of the mouse like me, it's not so good. Sensor is ok (as long as you keep it against your mousepad, otherwise it goes crazy if you pick it 1-2mm up by mistake)
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MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
April 05 2012 12:20 GMT
#22
I use the DeathAdder, it's perfect. Not to mention it's the Autobots one ^_^;;
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
April 05 2012 12:52 GMT
#23
I have a friend who owns a Mamba. He despises it, and is now stuck in a situation where he can't afford a new mouse. He had a Death Adder previously, he wishes he could go back.

I personally find the Abyssus amazing and fulfilling despite some jitter issues on my TL Goliathus.

None of these mice are equal to 325 candy bars.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 05 2012 16:28 GMT
#24
Question, is the deathadder comfortable for medium/smaller hands? Im only 5'6" tall and my hands are average size I suppose. But the deathadder looks like a pretty big mouse. Does that mean its meant for larger hands?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
April 05 2012 16:47 GMT
#25
if you palm then deathadder is good. i half palm/ half grip and prefer the xai
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 17:04:34
April 05 2012 16:49 GMT
#26
On April 05 2012 14:15 motbob wrote:
When confronted with decisions like this I think about how many candy bars I could buy with the money. If you buy candybars in bulk I think you could get them for roughly 40 cents each. So the question is really between the Mamba and 325 candybars.

Poll: Mamba or 325 candybars?

Candybars (70)
 
80%

Razer Mamba (18)
 
20%

88 total votes

Your vote: Mamba or 325 candybars?

(Vote): Razer Mamba
(Vote): Candybars




Well this is obviously an equation for morbid obesity. We just need to figure out the amount of hours the typical Mamba lasts, and how many calories he will conserve by sitting down and playing games, instead of standing. Then we need to get a rough estimate of which candy bars he will be eating. We will then take that information and multiply the total calorie count by the Obesity Multiplier, leaving us with the Gastric-Lard Coefficient. We then need to figure out the rough distance (in Kilometres, of course) that he will travel on foot to obtain the candy. We convert that number into a Basal heart rate, which we then reverse engineer to determine the percentage of childhood memories he has retained. We the sum up all of these numbers to calculate the Marginal Propensity of Lordship (in the next ~7 years).

But what if he is also sitting when he eats the candy bars? Well fuck... I'll be back with a better equation shortly.
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 05 2012 19:01 GMT
#27
On April 06 2012 01:47 JimSocks wrote:
if you palm then deathadder is good. i half palm/ half grip and prefer the xai



mmmmm I rarely have my palm touch the mouse (feels odd typing that lol), so maybe I should just get a different Razer mouse.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
ePdeLay
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia220 Posts
April 12 2012 09:32 GMT
#28
pros use deathadder not the mamba, which is about 40 bucks cheaper than the mamba and the xai
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 12 2012 10:15 GMT
#29
I go to http://www.teamliquidpro.com/liquidtlo (=> http://www.teamliquidpro.com/players ) for my purchase decisions. If it's good enough for the beard, it will be good enough for me
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
April 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#30
Get an mx518, amazing mouse
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 12:11:27
April 12 2012 12:10 GMT
#31
Wireless mouse = bad
Razer laser mouse = bad

Stick with the Xai or get a DeathAdder if you want a large-ish 5 button mouse.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
April 12 2012 14:49 GMT
#32
On April 05 2012 14:59 n3f wrote:
I haven't tried either of these but with my experience with Razor I'v gone threw 5 mice and 4 of them were replacements of each other with in one year due to them burning out and one of them out of the box didn`t work (IMPERATOR). My one Steel Series mouse that I had a few years ago was really good but had to replace it dude to normal wear and tear (IKARI). Ended up giving up on Razor and going with the Tt Black Element gaming mouse.


My mx518 is 5 years old, 3 of them were on iccup playing 500 games a season. It works like brand new, only the logo worn off.
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 15:44:22
April 12 2012 15:26 GMT
#33
On April 12 2012 21:10 Jibba wrote:
Wireless mouse = bad
Razer laser mouse = bad

Stick with the Xai or get a DeathAdder if you want a large-ish 5 button mouse.


Xai has built in acceleration = bad

I've also heard issues with the drivers on the Xai which = bad

Mamba is also dual wireless and wired, so you can use it as either. Though the DeatherAdder or Abyssus would probably be much better options since the Mamba 2012 edition is $130.

Actually TL Mouse Thread = lots of information and best advice on the planet :D :D :D

-edit: url fail
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 12 2012 15:38 GMT
#34
It's 5%~ acceleration, depending on the CPI setting which isn't a big deal in most games, especially for SC2. The Phillips Twin Laser in the Mamba is much worse than the Avago 9500 in the Xai.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 15:50:08
April 12 2012 15:48 GMT
#35
On April 13 2012 00:38 Jibba wrote:
It's 5%~ acceleration, depending on the CPI setting which isn't a big deal in most games, especially for SC2. The Phillips Twin Laser in the Mamba is much worse than the Avago 9500 in the Xai.


Well I personally would rather deal with the z-axis issue on the PTE instead of built in acceleration and driver issues. -edit: and I'm pretty sure the Xai has angle snapping.

But again, Abussus and DeathAdder are definetly better options. No reason to spend over $100, and no one realistically needs 5600 DPI/CPI.

I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 12 2012 16:43 GMT
#36
I agree with the second part, but I still think Xai is a suitable mouse and the liftoff issues on PTE are infuriating. I really don't think players in most genres notice the 5% acceleration, unless you're playing QL.

Also, this might be controversial, but I don't think prediction is a detriment in all games. In CS, most of the time you're on level ground and you line up where the opponent will be before you turn the corner. In that case, I prefer more vertical resistance (which is why Artisan mousepads are slicker laterally than vertically.)
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 12 2012 19:42 GMT
#37
On April 13 2012 01:43 Jibba wrote:
I agree with the second part, but I still think Xai is a suitable mouse and the liftoff issues on PTE are infuriating. I really don't think players in most genres notice the 5% acceleration, unless you're playing QL.

Also, this might be controversial, but I don't think prediction is a detriment in all games. In CS, most of the time you're on level ground and you line up where the opponent will be before you turn the corner. In that case, I prefer more vertical resistance (which is why Artisan mousepads are slicker laterally than vertically.)


Well most players don't have well developed muscle memory, but high level masters players and ICCUP C and above would probably be pretty frusterated. It's also reducing the accuracy of the mouse cursor as the sensor input is being artificially multiplied. Though I know there are some people out there who like it, so I guess it still comes down to a personal choice.

And yeah I've heard that argument about CS before, and I guess I don't necessarily object. But a high level SC2 player would almost certainly notice a difference. Actually anyone whose developed sufficient muscle memory with a game would notice a big difference. Most people probably would not though, and in fact everyone using a Steel Series mouse is already dealing with it and don't notice it.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
April 12 2012 22:57 GMT
#38
On April 05 2012 14:15 motbob wrote:
When confronted with decisions like this I think about how many candy bars I could buy with the money. If you buy candybars in bulk I think you could get them for roughly 40 cents each. So the question is really between the Mamba and 325 candybars.

Poll: Mamba or 325 candybars?

Candybars (70)
 
80%

Razer Mamba (18)
 
20%

88 total votes

Your vote: Mamba or 325 candybars?

(Vote): Razer Mamba
(Vote): Candybars





Where the hell do you live where you can get 325 candy bars for 130 dollars?!?!?!?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 01:11:22
April 13 2012 01:09 GMT
#39
On April 13 2012 07:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 14:15 motbob wrote:
When confronted with decisions like this I think about how many candy bars I could buy with the money. If you buy candybars in bulk I think you could get them for roughly 40 cents each. So the question is really between the Mamba and 325 candybars.

Poll: Mamba or 325 candybars?

Candybars (70)
 
80%

Razer Mamba (18)
 
20%

88 total votes

Your vote: Mamba or 325 candybars?

(Vote): Razer Mamba
(Vote): Candybars





Where the hell do you live where you can get 325 candy bars for 130 dollars?!?!?!?


You know you can buy them in like 10 packs at Walmart for like 5 bucks right?

-edit: sorry, 6 for 3.94 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Milky-Way-Caramel-and-Nougat-Chocolate-12.3-oz/10452982 and even cheaper when on sale.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
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