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When I'm at school with my friends, I can talk about just about anything with them. I am extremely selective with whom I choose to spend my time at lunch break. If I hate you, I'll let you know it and you should piss off. With my friends, we laugh together, we cry together, and we do not give two shits if our feelings get hurt. You're fat? We'll let you know about it. A lot. You look like a faggot in those glasses? Take them off. Failed a test? Haha, guess who we'll be buying mcdonalds from?
If you want a good idea. Think of the smart underachievers who hang out on their own all the time. They don't have much respect in school. They get a kick from anything.
This is such a nice refuge from the real world. The real world full of fake people, fake teachers, fake advertising, and propaganda. I can't have an honest debate with the majority of my teachers because of extremely strong political and/or religious biases. One of my teachers is the smartest guy you will meet, but say anything that contradicts his personal bias on christianity and you've gotten yourself into deep shit. Once in a history course I decided that I would test my bounds. On discussing Aboriginals in Canada I decided to say "The Aboriginals were conquered, if you get defeated in battle after battle you don't come back and say 'give our land back.' The Babylonians had a good system of conquest, join or die. The Romans assimilated each country yet maintained certain individualism to each region. The English made people proud to be conquered by them, look at the commonwealth." To which she replied "You're Polish right?" (in context clearly referring to Hitler) and I just angrily said "My Grandparents were lucky, and Jews weren't coming back to ruin Hitler's plan of a Utopia." Then there was an awkward moment and she threw the debate to someone else. I don't actually hate natives, I have native friends, I don't like Hitler, yet I couldn't say things that were controversial for the sake of debate. As I write this, you should have some context, we were having a debate on the canadian 1920's, whether it was a good period or not, and I defended 'yes' and somehow the conversation dragged on to the natives.
During religion class (bet no-one can guess what kind of school I resent going to by this point) the Kony 2012 video was brought up. I would likely be kicked out of class if I said any of the thoughts that kept coming to my head at the discussion of the video. 'He was hardly the first warlord in Africa.' 'The world is getting to be so grossly overpopulated that by 50-100 years this idea of everybody helping everybody will just not be worth trying.' 'The company allegedly does not even give 50% of donations to the actual cause.' 'Ugandans allegedly report that Kony is in the Congo.' If you wanted to, you can probably guess my stance on abortion too.
And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
In advertising. Why can't you say what your product is without trying to cover it up. Put the calories of an actual portion of food on your commercial, not a quarter of a portion. Why can't a government have transparency? There is a scandal every time you turn around.
Why don't people tell the truth? Because people can't stand the truth. Why? Because fuck you, thats why. Or at least that is the best reason I can deduce.
I wanted to make a practice group for Starcraft after being sheltered, if you will, by my group of friends. I asked for masters only on reddit. I got some people interested to play. Then someone said 'I am bronze, can I join?' This obvious troll got my response of 'sure, I love wasting my time helping out bronzies.' Did he get down voted for being a retard? No. I got down voted for telling people what they didn't want to hear.
I got called an elitist for not wanting to help the lower league players. I explained that this is a colossal waste of time for me and the other masters for the benefit of one bronze league. Keep the down votes coming. I got called a douche bag and another said I was besmirching the community.
I'm tired of pretending to be someone I'm not for the benefit of others. Some people can't even take constructive criticism of their work properly. I don't hate you, I hate lying to you. I'll still help you, but you better be prepared to have a real conversation.
If you are emotionally weak. You will be stronger by learning to deal with the truth. You're terrible at this. You failed a test. You did not get the job. Do you think it is better for people to hear sugar coated lies to make you feel better, but when you fall out of the plane and onto the cloud of lies your body goes through it?
very well written, and I agree on nearly all of the points you made and feel the same way. whenever I try to have a good debate with someone about a controversial topic, the other side of the argument ALWAYS takes bias--be it religion or politics or any other thing that he/she might deem set in stone.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
Interesting read. People say and do things for other reasons than to put their true thoughts and intentions out in the open.
It also may be worth considering that the people in "the happy group" are being dishonest when they are "brutalizing" each other. There's an aspect of peer pressure to talking behind people's backs.
By the way, your teacher nailed you with just about the sickest burn ever, if I'm reading you correctly, you'd respect him/her for saying it.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
Interesting read. People say and do things for other reasons than to put their true thoughts and intentions out in the open.
It also may be worth considering that the people in "the happy group" are being dishonest when they are "brutalizing" each other. There's an aspect of peer pressure to talking behind people's backs.
By the way, your teacher nailed you with just about the sickest burn ever, if I'm reading you correctly, you'd respect him/her for saying it.
5/5
Yep. I got pwned by that statement. I still don't like her, but I had a moment of insight into which I saw her critical thinking.
She is smart. I hate her for other reasons, but I won't deny she's a very smart person and respectable.
what school do you go to? i dont know of any religious universities in canada you are wrong on the whole 'they were made proud to be conquered' thing...it has nothing to do with your teachers christian bias either. then again, you might just be a pro-war person like I am when I play civ3, and just think the most conquering and most violent are the most moral and ethical. if so...you probably won't want to hear any argument against imperialism.
On April 04 2012 10:57 Roe wrote: what school do you go to? i dont know of any religious universities in canada you are wrong on the whole 'they were made proud to be conquered' thing...it has nothing to do with your teachers christian bias either. then again, you might just be a pro-war person like I am when I play civ3, and just think the most conquering and most violent are the most moral and ethical. if so...you probably won't want to hear any argument against imperialism.
I don't go to university, I am 16.
I think morals and ethics are written by the victor. Along with history.
We know from the outside that North Korea is the most fucked up shit hole in the universe. However, I get to talk to Koreans a lot. They would tell me how the citizens of North Korea legitimately believe they live on the best place in the world. They are actually happy to live where they live. They worship the leader as a god.
With that perspective, what are good morals? A person is considered immoral not because some deity will punish them, but rather they ruin the happiness of others. Yet North Koreans are supposedly quite happy as long as they are not in a prison or the few stricken officers who can't open their mouths anyway.
This obvious troll got my response of 'sure, I love wasting my time helping out bronzies.' Did he get down voted for being a retard? No. I got down voted for telling people what they didn't want to hear.
This obvious troll got my response of 'sure, I love wasting my time helping out bronzies.' Did he get down voted for being a retard? No. I got down voted for telling people what they didn't want to hear.
This obvious troll got my response of 'sure, I love wasting my time helping out bronzies.' Did he get down voted for being a retard? No. I got down voted for telling people what they didn't want to hear.
no you got down voted for being an asshat
Along with being a straight-shooter.
Good read OP.
yes, well, there were much more polite ways of saying that; one could merely have ignored the user's request, or responded with a simple "sorry, this is Masters only" - clearly the reddit SC community is one that values politeness and courtesy, and accordingly downvoted him because his comment was unnecessarily rude
This obvious troll got my response of 'sure, I love wasting my time helping out bronzies.' Did he get down voted for being a retard? No. I got down voted for telling people what they didn't want to hear.
no you got down voted for being an asshat
Along with being a straight-shooter.
Good read OP.
yes, well, there were much more polite ways of saying that; one could merely have ignored the user's request, or responded with a simple "sorry, this is Masters only" - clearly the reddit SC community is one that values politeness and courtesy, and accordingly downvoted him because his comment was unnecessarily rude
Lets pretend you are a teacher. There is a student at the front of the class. Listening intently on your lecture that 1+1 = 2. Immediately, less than a second (I think something like 338 milliseconds) after your lecture. The student at the front of the class, who was paying attention asks you what 1+1 equals.
Some guy reads my post about a masters only practice group. He knows it is masters only and I refuse to help low leaguers. He then asks if he can join as a bronze leaguer.
As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
Do you really want people to tell you the truth ALL THE TIME? They are just being friendly, i can't believe you have a problem with that. Alternatively, telling the truth in those situations like 'you failed the test? you such a loser, your gonna be flipping burgers for the rest of your life' or 'those glasses make you look like a fag' is typical response from an asshole, and nobody likes an asshole.
You seem to have a lack of how other people live their lives. You classify yourself as smart underachiever. Perhaps if you are really smart, you should be abled to put yourself in the shoes of other people, and realise all your expectations can't be met. You are so obsessed with the truth. It's like you find some sort of righteousness in telling the truth and nothing but the truth. Maybe there are more important things than just the truth. Like being nice to others and respecting their beliefs. Life ain't black and white, some people (well most people actually) believe telling the truth sometimes isn't the 'right' thing to do.
While I'm not someone who likes people to fully sugar coat lies there is a time and a place to. Obviously you wouldn't tell a cancer patient who has terminal cancer to give up the last few months of their lives as they will eventually lose everything. However in your case, you acted fine as the time and the place was right. I usually try to sugarcoat a little while trying to push across the truth. It might be a sensitive topic for someone as they might want to hold on to some hope.
Sorry for all the edits by the way. Typing on a phone is rough at points.
I'm the exact same my friend. Albeit I don't share quite the same views as you on a number of the topics you posted, I act similar and my friend group is the exact same as yours. Ruthless, lol.
Sounds like a non-conformist rant from a teenager who fails to realize his identity was shaped in the same process as everyone else around him. We are nothing but byproducts of the environment we develop in, combined with the genes of our parents. It was chance that you have been blessed(not in the religious sense) with a higher level of understanding how society functions and it's direct effect on 'individuality.' Dont waste this intelligence by sitting on your throne punching children because you think the pain will make them stronger. Think a little harder and realize people don't like hearing the truth for reasons much more complicated than those which fulfill your egotistical philosophies.
I applaud your views and beliefs, and for the well written post.
You might as well kill yourself now though if your bothered this much by what happens in high school, it only gets worse. Just thought you might like someone to tell it like it is.
Since you say you want people to speak their mind... and with the truth...
I think you're an arrogant and immature highschooler. Your line of thinking and criticism succeeds at not only capturing basic points that every adult on this planet knows, but it fails to understand how to interact with people in an effective and reasonable manner. Your logic is based around a capitalist/strife notion of victory as self justifying: the winner writes history and gets to make the rules. This logic is quite flawed. I hope one day you, above most other people, are mature enough to figure out why. As it stands focus on being humble, learning, and doing something better than trolling history classes just because you want to make some washed-up and worthless point.
Lastly, your opening paragraph pretty well captures how you're basically just a jackass kid. Not only do you discriminate, effective, based on sexuality (use of the term faggot), you also presuppose that you simply can say these things to people. I hate to tell you this, but not everyone on earth is in a position where they can be an asshole to others whenever they feel like it. All that you have done is demonstrate your own privilege. Further, at the exact moment you envision yourself as honest and everyone else as "fake" or "lying" you have constructed a personal identity of self, which, you clearly use to imagine a position for yourself in the world that is not accurate or correct. That is, when you proceed to correct everyone else for their biases and positions, you yourself have not yet managed to identify or get past your own.
You don't need to pretend to be anyone, it's just common courtesy and keeps society from going down the shitter. It's fine to act this way as a kid but you will grow up eventually and find there are are actual consequences behind words.
The word faggot has been beaten to death. If I walk up to a bunch of gay guys and call them faggots, I am discriminating. If I call you a faggot, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation I am just using a word.
That word has no meaning to me.
People seem to be misreading. I referred to my friends as my haven from the fake. I don't go around insulting everyone and telling people what I think, what is fact. I get to do that amongst my friends because that's what gets us through.
Call me an arrogant non-conformist teenager. I don't stand for 'be different than everyone else.' Rather, 'have individuality by your own right.'
This question on what morality is an interesting one. If you want we can come back to times gone by. It used to be normal for people to have multiple wives. It used to be normal to not treat a woman with equality. The Canadian Constitution spent about 100 years where women were not actually considered 'people.' Slaves were actually thought of as less than human.
Rather than try to finish that thought at all I'll let it sit. This thread has magically derailed into 'what is truth, what is morality?' I won't pretend to know the answers to the questions I will have thrown at me. And I will hopefully enjoy the challenge of taking them on.
So, maybe in a few years if I remember at all to look at this. I will realize what a fool I am, but for now this puts thought to words and lets people challenge me for it.
The Babylonians had a good system of conquest, join or die.
Bad blog, poorly written, whiny. Please learn your Mesopotamian history. I get the impression that you think the Neo-Assyrians = the Babylonians (which .... uhhhhh, no), and even then, the Neo-Assyrians didn't really have an actual policy of "join us or die."
You'll have to become just as 'fake' as everyone else when you have to earn your own living.
The word self-entitled is very nasty and often gets used inappropriately, but this is one case where it's completely accurate.
Everyone has been in classes where there is one idiot who doesn't have much understanding of a topic but insists on arguing with the professor. Everyone hates that kid. You are that kid who doesn't bother to learn about the issues of which he has such fervent opinions that he must share them with the world and waste other's time.
Whaaa... whaaa... people don't like me being a dick to them!! why can't i be a dick to people and they will be nice back?? why do you feel the need to go around telling people what you think of them all the time? It's not that far fetched for me thinking someone calling me a fatass isn't only telling me the truth(which it is) but also intentionally trying to ruin my day even though i didn't do shit to him, why shouldn't i tell him to shut the fuck up?
So you are arguing that you are entitled to telling other people the truth and hearing the truth from them, even if they don't want to hear/say it? Why do you think you are entitled to that?
People lie because there is an incentive for them to lie. By lying, they maximize their utility. If I am understanding this correctly, you feel you are entitled to them acting in such a way that their utility is not maximized. Why do you think you are so special?
You may praise yourself and pride yourself on being more "intelligent" or "aware" than everyone else. However, you are not special, you will not be remembered, and your life means absolutely shit in this infinitely expanding universe. You are worth nothing more than a grain of sand. So just have fun and shut the fuck up.
On April 04 2012 12:01 Thaniri wrote: The word faggot has been beaten to death. If I walk up to a bunch of gay guys and call them faggots, I am discriminating. If I call you a faggot, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation I am just using a word.
That word has no meaning to me.
People seem to be misreading. I referred to my friends as my haven from the fake. I don't go around insulting everyone and telling people what I think, what is fact. I get to do that amongst my friends because that's what gets us through.
Call me an arrogant non-conformist teenager. I don't stand for 'be different than everyone else.' Rather, 'have individuality by your own right.'
This question on what morality is an interesting one. If you want we can come back to times gone by. It used to be normal for people to have multiple wives. It used to be normal to not treat a woman with equality. The Canadian Constitution spent about 100 years where women were not actually considered 'people.' Slaves were actually thought of as less than human.
Rather than try to finish that thought at all I'll let it sit. This thread has magically derailed into 'what is truth, what is morality?' I won't pretend to know the answers to the questions I will have thrown at me. And I will hopefully enjoy the challenge of taking them on.
So, maybe in a few years if I remember at all to look at this. I will realize what a fool I am, but for now this puts thought to words and lets people challenge me for it.
This thread has gone no where near the topic of what morality is. It has evolved into the attempt of making you realize the extent of your douche-baggery.
Who cares about the definition of morality. That's not what your post even slightly attends to. You realize morality is subjective. Grats! You want a challenge? Acknowledge that there are millions of people more insightful and intelligent than you. Better looking than you. Warmer than you. This is truth..
On April 04 2012 12:18 babylon wrote: This actually reminds me of Catcher in the Rye, but less entertaining.
Catcher in the Rye wasn't even all that entertaining in the first place though. It was kind of pathetic and aggravating to read. Which was probably intentional.
While I can relate to a lot of you wrote, being snarky and "truthful" won't get you nearly as much as happiness as being open and considerate, in my personal experience. I'm a born smartass who fights my nature every day.
On April 04 2012 12:18 babylon wrote: This actually reminds me of Catcher in the Rye, but less entertaining.
Catcher in the Rye wasn't even all that entertaining in the first place though. It was kind of pathetic and aggravating to read. Which was probably intentional.
Yes, I actually hated it too.
Which says something about this post, I guess. At least Catcher was well-written.
On April 04 2012 12:18 babylon wrote: This actually reminds me of Catcher in the Rye, but less entertaining.
Ah, beat me to it. It almost feels like fanfic. So much angst. The world is difficult to read with clouded eyes. Intelligence is a non-factor here. That book was good for many reasons, none of them being sympathy for the protagonist.
I think I had actually started liking other people around 16 though. Softness is nice.
On April 04 2012 10:54 Thaniri wrote: Yep. I got pwned by that statement. I still don't like her, but I had a moment of insight into which I saw her critical thinking.
I think that the insight she provided was into you. Not her.
Why do you think they are being pretentious, just because they don't convince you or impress you, it doesn't mean they are pretending to be someone else/faking. You said you had debates, it won't be a debate if the other person doesn't have his own point.
In truth, people HEAR what they don't want to hear, but it is how they respond and if they care or not that makes you think they don't hear it.
I think you have a strong basis, which mean you will not end up like your weak, hypocritical teachers who are full of ressentiment (That's why most people like them end up teaching in the first place lol).
However with time you will have to learn that you need to lie everyday, as long as your true beliefs triomph in the long run (i.e: To fuck over people you don't like, and to achieve your goals). I think that's an accurate short description for most of the top "jobs" or activities. Can you be a politician if you tell your real feelings ? Can you be a businessman if you never lie ? We have to lie all the time to be successful. You have to charm people, to behave according to social norms even if it seems boring or stupid because you don't want to be ostracized.
So basicly shut up and ignore if you can't gain anything from them. When you go up in the society hierarchy people like that disappear.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: If you are emotionally weak. You will be stronger by learning to deal with the truth. You're terrible at this. You failed a test. You did not get the job. Do you think it is better for people to hear sugar coated lies to make you feel better, but when you fall out of the plane and onto the cloud of lies your body goes through it?
That's one way of looking at it.
I took your post seriously until the long paragraph about how you make irreverent comments for the holy hell of it.
I'll give you this much - you've got interesting ideas, but they're going to change once you get out into the real world. And no, I'm not talking about college. 10 years from now you're probably going to look back on this post the same way I look back on livejournal entries when I was in high school: a glimmer of truth and a lot of naivete...
Well people have pretty much beaten this to death, but I want to offer one suggestion. If you really are as smart as you think, you would realize that at your age, you don't have nearly enough experience to have truly mastered any skill or possess comprehensive knowledge of any topic. Does it not bother you, then, that your hedonistic and arrogant attitude of superiority over your peers has blinded you to your own relative ignorance in the grand scheme of things, thus precluding you from humbling yourself enough to continue learning and improving? Is this blind ignorance of one's own position and weaknesses in life not the exact concept that so enrages you? If your natural environment doesn't challenge you to think, you'd have to be a real dummy not to realize education exists outside of the confines of a school building. Also, lay off your peers; you waste energy being angry and frustrated with their lives rather than improving your own...
Everything in the world pretty much is built on lies, and that's not even a bad thing. Think of esports, every team promotes their sponsors as the best thing ever. The players may not actually believe razer products for example are the best(though they are really good) but they promote the products anyway because razer supports them and in return receives brand recognition. You as the viewer of the tournament/event who is technically being lied to about the sponsors being the best gets to see an event that wouldn't exist without sponsors for the players or even the event itself.
Almost everything in this world arguably revolves around lies or witheld information, and I think that's a natural thing to occur. People don't like being reminded of their flaws endlessly, and I'm certain if I told you that you were a stupid ugly fuck over and over every day you wouldn't either. If you want to criticize people, do it in a constructive manner.
On a happier side note, look up the movie Liar Liar. It showcases what it is like to not be able to lie in life, and I think the lesson it teaches about telling the truth where it counts and withholding it when you need to is really nice.
I'm 17, and I do IB in highschool (IDK if you do, just throwing that out there, so I'm not a master about philosophy) I've taken a lot of history, and several college psych and international politics classes via online through ItunesU, so i have a base within those subjects. There is some truth to what you say, but morals and ethics aren't written by victors, but by the ruling majority in general, thus why we have checks and balances in government in most countries with modern politics. Also you and your friends (no offense intended) sound like the group of people that think they are cool, keep to themselves, let next to no one in, and everyone else doesn't want to have anything to do with them. You guys represent the most secluded in group. You hate the happy group due to cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias about what is weak, rather than what is social and socially accpetable as a way to stay afloat. You stated you are an underachiever, I'm guessing there are several cliques at your religious school, but the fact is that I've seen groups like yours seems to be (I could be completely off here), it doesn't make you bad or cool, just seem like asshats.The truth hurts sometimes, did what i say sound good? I think my point is valid here, its not how good you are at anything that makes you strong, its the will to be better that does, when you say not helping lower league players is best, that shows you misunderstand true strength, does this form of contentiousness that I'm presenting not get on your nerves just a bit? My post is not to annoy the shit out of you, just to state that the way you are thinking (in my opinion) is the wrong way to go about life. Life isn't about facing harsh realities all the time or saying someone is worthwhile or worthless, its about having a good time and making yourself and others feel good while enjoying life for what it is, a fleeting thing that passes, and if you spend your life being contentious and all around a douche to people who don't seem worthy to you, its gonna pass you by.
nah its cool fuck the haters theres a number of people who think like you at around your age (it varies), perceptive + angry
it'll get better in time, especially when you start learning to pick your fights
though the ability to focus on something you find interesting will help (aka if you underachieve in traditional ways, at least achieve in ways that are interesting to you)
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
Interesting read. People say and do things for other reasons than to put their true thoughts and intentions out in the open.
It also may be worth considering that the people in "the happy group" are being dishonest when they are "brutalizing" each other. There's an aspect of peer pressure to talking behind people's backs.
By the way, your teacher nailed you with just about the sickest burn ever, if I'm reading you correctly, you'd respect him/her for saying it.
5/5
Yep. I got pwned by that statement. I still don't like her, but I had a moment of insight into which I saw her critical thinking.
She is smart. I hate her for other reasons, but I won't deny she's a very smart person and respectable.
Her response was anecdotal and hardly a good argument, but since most people don't think too logically, it's a good burn lol.
oh and to generalize, the reason why people don't hear what they want to hear is because most people trust what their emotions tell them (at one obfuscating level or another). you probably do this too, but in less factual/logical matters/situations (humans in general can't control emotions with cognition, can only try to cope/redirect/induce desired emotions)
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
It seems odd that this would be the case in Canada (maybe a tad more liberal than the U.S., but overall similar culturally). At my high school there are four different teacher-sponsored political groups, and a couple (not school-sponsored) religious groups. In debate class we obviously talk a lot about politics and we just about talk endlessly about religion and politics in AP World History as well (although the teacher does not really advocate for any one position).
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
It seems odd that this would be the case in Canada (maybe a tad more liberal than the U.S., but overall similar culturally). At my high school there are four different teacher-sponsored political groups, and a couple (not school-sponsored) religious groups. In debate class we obviously talk a lot about politics and we just about talk endlessly about religion and politics in AP World History as well (although the teacher does not really advocate for any one position).
Note that this is a public school.
state? state matters a lot when talking about an american public schooling experience...
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
It seems odd that this would be the case in Canada (maybe a tad more liberal than the U.S., but overall similar culturally). At my high school there are four different teacher-sponsored political groups, and a couple (not school-sponsored) religious groups. In debate class we obviously talk a lot about politics and we just about talk endlessly about religion and politics in AP World History as well (although the teacher does not really advocate for any one position).
Note that this is a public school.
i guess everywhere is different. in the states i'd bet you have a ton of christian school clubs in the south/bible belt area.
theres nothing wrong with discussing politics in my school and it's very much encouraged. teacher sponsored political groups is a no-no since parents could complain to hell about indoctrination and influence...
oh and op theres a difference between being a douche and being constructive. it sounds like you're just being a douche and you think you're being constructive/helpful. sounds like you're just harping on and on about how people are phonies and you're a the truth deliverer
everybody pretends, everybody is pretentious about something. For example, you made this thread pretending you give a rat's ass about other people being pretentious, but you are really just bragging about your own so call honesty by calling others pretentious. You are no better, just another hypocrite like the rest of us.
do you really want to know "Why don't people tell the truth? Because people can't stand the truth. Why? Because fuck you, thats why. Or at least that is the best reason I can deduce."
Your deduction lacks imagination, oh wait you wanted burtal honesty, you suck at deduction. Here is one of the infinitely many theories to answer your question, of why don't ppl tell the truth: because the when the truth is irrelevant, it would be a waste of effort to even tell. an example: Take history for an example, Telling the students that USA is built on the biggest hypocrisy of all times, when a bunch of slaves owners wanted freedom from the British ppl will not matter a bit to them. It doesn't affect them a bit, they will forget about it in a week or two.
Now on the other hand, if you tell bunch of religious students that god is not real just like Santa is fake then boom kids tells parents and teacher gets fired. Which leads to another one of the infinitely many theories to answer your question of why people don't tell the truth: because a lot of people are delusional and will ruin your life or even kill you for what they don't want to hear.
How about it? have a go eh? think of another theory on "Why don't people tell the truth?" it is certainly not as simple as "Because people can't stand the truth" and "fuck you, that's why" you my friend is someone with lack of imagination in your deduction. (oh wait you wanted brutally honesty, let me rephrase that, anyone with half a brain would have thought of a better reason than "can't stand the truth.)
On April 04 2012 13:02 dronebabo wrote: funnily enough i guessed op's age from his writing in the op alone
lol... its funny how EVERYONE's exactly alike and yet they all think they are somehow different/special etc. and i admit that I am guilty of this too.
you know why people don't tell the truth? because its convenient. no reason to stir things up if i don't care. and why should you care?
Haha yeah, now I'm thinking that all my friends at high school were probably as "deep" as I thought I was, it seems like everyone goes through pretty similar stages.
@OP, as a few have said, look back on this post in a few years and you'll probably be surprised at how you think. Also, as others have pointed out, there's a difference between telling the truth and have social tact. If you're as smart as you claim (I always laugh when people classify themselves as smart underachievers, they think they deserve all the glory without the effort) you should be able to read basic social situations like when you're out at lunch or in the classroom.
this is a hell of a blog to write just because some "pretentious asshole" on reddit gave you a downvote. better grow a thick skin, life sucks then you die.
You're fat? We'll let you know about it. A lot. You look like a faggot in those glasses? Take them off. Failed a test? Haha, guess who we'll be buying mcdonalds from?
Wow, really?? Do you really think it's okay to do that?
That's not being honest, a straight shooter or any other positive term you might have for it. That's what society calls being a gigantic arsehole. You might be able to get away with it in high school but keep that up in the real world and you'll find yourself in trouble.
of course he doesn't do it to just any faggot in glasses/fat/failed a test, not if said faggot in glasses/fat/failed a test dudes can physically beat the shit out of him, he can only say it to ppl who he think won't do anything about it. In reality people will do whatever they want if he can get away with it. At school this is what we refer to as bulling, but of course he doesn't identify himself as a bully.
On April 04 2012 11:52 419 wrote: Only two things on TL are infinite, bad girl blogs and illusory superiority, and I'm not sure about the former.
Agreed. But everyone (including myself) was like this at 16. Can't blame em. All that "knowledge" but no power to do anything leads to a lot of posts like OP's thoughts. We all identify with Light Yagami!
Interesting is how I often use the points you raised, OP, to troll people in arguments over nonsensical crap.
The true smart ones are those who realized the same thing you did, but instead of becoming a self-righteous, hateful jerk, went on with their lives and put the effort into achieving something so that they could perhaps change the world once they got older.
And how do you know that the social groups you hate at school are being just as you described? People backstab all the time its a fact of life. And maybe they are telling each other the truth. Maybe they don't think those eyeglasses make someone look like a "faggot," or that the couple isn't cute. Ever consider that they genuinely believe that the couple looks cute together, that the glasses make their friends look nice? How do you know they are backstabbing each other?
Friend failed a test? You give them encouragement to do well on the next test so they will study harder and perhaps do better. That is what friends do. That is what genuine, happy, people do. It isn't pretentious. Being pretentious is thinking that acting like a jerk to everyone is the right thing to do because it leads to "truth" (which is a laughable concept if you realize how incredibly complex the very notion of truth is). Being pretentious is acting as if words have no meaning and throwing them around however you want because of what you read/saw on the internet.
Being pretentious is going about how you are a crusader for truth without fully understanding the nature of truth itself. Truth is something that's been debated for almost all of human history, since the dawn of civilization. And especially don't become an anti-social, hateful person because of it.
Ever wonder if you were wrong? Because if you haven't, then that makes you a hypocrite too.
I was going to post something encouraging and asking you to look on the bright side of things, but judging by your post, you value straight-talk over anything else so here you go.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: As for classmates. There is one group in our school that my group of friends calls 'the happy group.' This group is full of the most pretentious people you'll have ever met. And no I don't mean a bunch of american celebrity personality types. I mean insane public showing of kindness. Failed a test 'oh you'll do better next time.' New glasses 'omg i love them so much.' 'Girlfriend/boyfriend couple is so cute!!!' Then when you turn your back they brutalize you. Is it that bad to just tell them to their face what you think?
Interesting read. People say and do things for other reasons than to put their true thoughts and intentions out in the open.
It also may be worth considering that the people in "the happy group" are being dishonest when they are "brutalizing" each other. There's an aspect of peer pressure to talking behind people's backs.
By the way, your teacher nailed you with just about the sickest burn ever, if I'm reading you correctly, you'd respect him/her for saying it.
5/5
Yep. I got pwned by that statement. I still don't like her, but I had a moment of insight into which I saw her critical thinking.
She is smart. I hate her for other reasons, but I won't deny she's a very smart person and respectable.
Her response was anecdotal and hardly a good argument, but since most people don't think too logically, it's a good burn lol.
I would report the shit out of that teacher if she said that to me....
Glad you admitted defeat OP. Hopefully it was honest.
The biggest problem you will face is that the people you choose to avoid now are exactly the people you'll be forced to deal with your entire life if you expect to be able to have a job to feed yourself.
There is no reason to be callous. It creates resentment. Expressing yourself, and what you believe to be the truth is crucial. You can do so honestly, and not at the expense of another's dignity. Don't censor yourself to get your way with people, but learn that all humans have an ego and that ego is a fragile thing. Recognize that humans are imperfect, treat them with love because you know what it is to be human, however different it may seem you are. Even if they are mean and nasty, treat them with kindness and acceptance, or they will never have an example.
I enjoyed "Summer" a great deal, I've never heard it before. Happy days! :D
On April 04 2012 11:43 Precipice wrote: Since you say you want people to speak their mind... and with the truth...
I think you're an arrogant and immature highschooler. Your line of thinking and criticism succeeds at not only capturing basic points that every adult on this planet knows, but it fails to understand how to interact with people in an effective and reasonable manner. Your logic is based around a capitalist/strife notion of victory as self justifying: the winner writes history and gets to make the rules. This logic is quite flawed. I hope one day you, above most other people, are mature enough to figure out why. As it stands focus on being humble, learning, and doing something better than trolling history classes just because you want to make some washed-up and worthless point.
Lastly, your opening paragraph pretty well captures how you're basically just a jackass kid. Not only do you discriminate, effective, based on sexuality (use of the term faggot), you also presuppose that you simply can say these things to people. I hate to tell you this, but not everyone on earth is in a position where they can be an asshole to others whenever they feel like it. All that you have done is demonstrate your own privilege. Further, at the exact moment you envision yourself as honest and everyone else as "fake" or "lying" you have constructed a personal identity of self, which, you clearly use to imagine a position for yourself in the world that is not accurate or correct. That is, when you proceed to correct everyone else for their biases and positions, you yourself have not yet managed to identify or get past your own.
This, a million times over! I would a written something similar to this myself, but I'm terrible at putting my thoughts down on "paper", so thanks : ]
Very deep read. But it's only high school. Do you really expect to have that much freedom of speech? (if any) But I feel ya, I was the crazy kid that asked questions and didn't except what was given to us. It will get better in collage. I promise.
Are you in high school? The reason you can't have a serious debate is because of the fact in high school students can be idiots and say inflammatory things for the sake of being inflammatory. So when you start a discussion like that (aboriginals example) the floodgates open.
Also, there are certain things you don't have a good understanding of to be starting debates like that. Playing devil's advocate involves expressing an opinion that has some basis in fact or eventuality that the other people can discuss. First off you need to make it clear you are being devil's advocate and secondly you need to actually know what you are talking about.
Aboriginal people in Canada are horribly treated, and their current situation as what can amount to an underclass in many areas of Canada is due to a history of oppression and colonial practices. So before you start saying that people only hear what they want to hear you need to learn more concretely about the way the world works and things in society so you can have those serious deep conversations.
You can't bring up religion with the one teacher because his religion is an important part of his ontological and epistemological self. Its like trying to tell a scientist that technically all science is not 100% objective. Most of them just don't get it.
You can discuss the topic of your own belief system but not belief systems in general with that teacher. Its a matter of finesse and you are too young to understand that fact.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
It seems odd that this would be the case in Canada (maybe a tad more liberal than the U.S., but overall similar culturally). At my high school there are four different teacher-sponsored political groups, and a couple (not school-sponsored) religious groups. In debate class we obviously talk a lot about politics and we just about talk endlessly about religion and politics in AP World History as well (although the teacher does not really advocate for any one position).
I could write a long post telling you why you are wrong, but i'll keep it short:
Yes, people are inhonest to each other all the time. It's called peaceful cooperation.
Once you start to work (and not at McDonalds or such) you have to cooperate with a lot of different personalities, some of them you might like, some of them you won't. Where i work, half of the other programmers are flat out incompetent, my boss is stuck in the 1980's, some of the (company internal) users of the system i have to maintain forget stuff i told them a week ago... every week. Oh, and one of my colleagues is someone where my desire to punch him in his face rises every time he opens his mouth. My company is nothing special at that, every company looks similar to this. How long do you think someone with your (blatantly hostile) attitude will last?
If everyone was honest all the time, society would have crumbled a few thousand years ago. You have to learn to ignore flaws and accept opinions - no matter how wrong - of others or you will run into walls whereever you go.
Telling the truth is good, telling others they are wrong/stupid/ugly unneccessarily is bad.
If someone doesn't ask you how he looks, why tell him he is ugly? If someone doesn't ask you for your opinion, why force him to listen to it?
TL;DR: Learning the "Smile and nod" will bring you a lot further in life.
PS: Defending an opinion that you know is stupid (like "conquered people should be happy about that") makes you a troll, not someone who can see other perspectives. PPS: Marketing is a whole different thing. You won't ever get honest marketing. The calories written on stuff are also marketing.
On April 04 2012 10:38 Thaniri wrote: And yet, after typing this out. Given the choice I would still go to this school rather than a public school. Public schools ban religious and political conversation completely. This school seems to have at least some degree of allowance to converse about these more controversial topics.
It seems odd that this would be the case in Canada (maybe a tad more liberal than the U.S., but overall similar culturally). At my high school there are four different teacher-sponsored political groups, and a couple (not school-sponsored) religious groups. In debate class we obviously talk a lot about politics and we just about talk endlessly about religion and politics in AP World History as well (although the teacher does not really advocate for any one position).
Note that this is a public school.
state? state matters a lot when talking about an american public schooling experience...
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