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Ranting on K-Pop While Listening to Supercell

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Achromic
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Last Edited: 2012-03-18 07:30:18
March 18 2012 07:14 GMT
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 18 2012 07:18 GMT
#2
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 07:24:11
March 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#3
On March 18 2012 16:18 krndandaman wrote:
you can find good music in korea. its not that hard.
just like how justin bieber doesnt represent all of America's music, kpop doesnt represent all of korea's music either

Justin Bieber is our's, leave us alone.

Though I'm sure I'll have plenty of my countrymen more than willing to let you have him. : )

Edit: How dare I forget to include a smiley face
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
March 18 2012 07:28 GMT
#4
Why were the teachers pissed at them singing a kpop song?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
March 18 2012 07:29 GMT
#5
On March 18 2012 16:18 krndandaman wrote:
you can find good music in korea. its not that hard.
just like how justin bieber doesnt represent all of America's music, kpop doesnt represent all of korea's music either


damn right.
it can be difficult and needs time to find good music for a foreigner.
most of the new songs are trash but,,,
still you dont know shit
hi
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
March 18 2012 07:36 GMT
#6
let me ask you these: how old are you, and how long have you lived in korea? sounds like you cant be older than a highschool student, and you haven't lived in korea for very long at all, but correct me if im wrong. dont judge an entire culture after such a cursory glance at some of its most superficial elements, as it seems you have very little understanding of the inner workings that caused the surge in plastic surgery and the kpop phenomenon. im deeply offended, but personal feelings set aside, feel free to pm me if you want to discuss further.
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 07:42:08
March 18 2012 07:41 GMT
#7
? what happened did his post get removed? reading the threads seems like he posted something to offensive to kpop? but i'm not sure, can anyone clarify?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
March 18 2012 08:08 GMT
#8
On March 18 2012 16:41 Shock710 wrote:
? what happened did his post get removed? reading the threads seems like he posted something to offensive to kpop? but i'm not sure, can anyone clarify?


I was looking forward to reading it
http://myanimelist.net/profile/billng
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 08:10:05
March 18 2012 08:08 GMT
#9
On March 18 2012 16:41 Shock710 wrote:
? what happened did his post get removed? reading the threads seems like he posted something to offensive to kpop? but i'm not sure, can anyone clarify?

+ Show Spoiler +
This is a long rant. I just need it off of my chest, thanks.

I am sure if you are reading this, you will be quite familiar with this band. If you are not, let me explain quickly. Supercell is comprised of visual illustrators (that create beautiful artworks for releasing albums) revolving around a composer named Ryo. Ryo is merely a composer, and so the band does not officially have a vocalist. Supercell scouts for vocalists to sing for their albums and because they are not permanent, they can switch from album to album. Supercell released a single a few days ago called, Kokuhaku/Bokura no Ashiato. I was looking forward to its release and I was not disappointed with it.

The best song from this album (which is an ending theme for an anime): Bokura no Ashiato



I love this band. Listening to their beautiful art made me reflect on K-pop.
I am a South Korean and due to this, I am very exposed to K-pop. My teenage sister is completely obsessed with K-pop to the point that it is unhealthy. I think it's normal however, for an Asian girl her age.

Forgive me for my opinion if you do not agree with it. I oppose K-pop.
"K-Pop" is actually a very broad term. I am not against music. That is ridiculous. I am just against the whole Idol "music" Industry. This cancer is taking over Korea and it is actually doing more harm to Korea than good.

Real music is slowly fading away from mainstream media in Korea. All air-time is becoming infested with naked dancers singing these auto-tuned jingles called, Hook Songs. It is becoming more and more difficult for real musicians to actually get attention in Korea. They are forced to remain underground. Korea's traditional and national music showcases are also a victim of this cancer. There is no more diversity in mainstream music. All songs showcased are these Idol groups, singing their individual 9 second bits on stage. It's becoming harder and harder for me to find new music in Korea.

That's not all, K-pop is one of the contributing factors to why Korea is socially superficial. When I heard that Korea is infested with plastic surgery, I thought it was just nonsense. I thought it was just exaggerated bullshit. I thought to myself, maybe it was just a rumour that jealous teenagers with low self esteem spread after looking at pretty Korean idols. Well, my aunt from Korea arrives here in Canada and she tells me about my home country. They weren't rumours. Apparently, these double eye-lid surgeries are common now, and teenagers can ask their parents for them as graduation presents. Some mothers refuse though, because they need to save the money for the surgeries that they will get for themselves, over their daughters. Oh, and Korean males probably use more cosmetic products than an average teenage girl here in Canada. In addition, K-pop idols were ranked as one of the most discussed topics amongst Korean citizens in Korea, next to cars and fashion, in this variety show that I watched where they surveyed the Korean public. I mean what the fuck? All this to fit in to the mould that the media in Korea created. Surgeries are no longer a taboo. You can reshape your face whenever you want with a knife, as long as you have the pocket money. It is sickening, and it has becoming a social norm too. If you do not look 'beautiful' in Korea, apparently you get second hand treatment from others. I am going to Korea this Summer, I pray that I will return home safely.

On a funny note:
I got to see a live K-pop performance at school. Our school held a talent show, and these group of smart girls thought that dancing to K-pop half-naked would win it. Oh, none of them were Korean by the way. They danced to a few songs. One of them was Change by HyunA, where they would pelvic thrust to the crowd wearing really short shorts. Long story short, cultural difference. The stage executives were pissed. The teachers were shocked. One of them left the auditorium in the middle of their performance. I heard two teachers sitting right in front of me talking garbage about the students. I couldn't blame them. It was awful, and as a Korean I was embarrassed by these non-Koreans dancing to music they couldn't even understand. After the show, they realized the stupidity of their actions and fell into depression. I felt bad for them, but they should have seen it coming.

Now these idols themselves are not bad. A few of them can legitimately sing. But in interviews, they often say things like how they wish to succeed in music, regardless of success or fame. Come on, they are nothing but tools used by their respective media corporations. There are so many Korean artists struggling because they decide not to be tools, but create real music.

I respect the Japanese band I was talking about earlier, Supercell, for many reasons. One is obviously Ryo, their talented composer for creating such beautiful lyrics. Second is their vocalists. Their voices are so unique and expressive, and their vocals fit perfectly to the emotions that the song is trying to convey. Furthermore, they don't show their faces to the media. Right, their music is judged for MUSIC only, not appearance.

I wish I can find good music in Korea. That is all I ask.
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
March 18 2012 08:18 GMT
#10
On March 18 2012 17:08 Suc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 16:41 Shock710 wrote:
? what happened did his post get removed? reading the threads seems like he posted something to offensive to kpop? but i'm not sure, can anyone clarify?

+ Show Spoiler +
This is a long rant. I just need it off of my chest, thanks.

I am sure if you are reading this, you will be quite familiar with this band. If you are not, let me explain quickly. Supercell is comprised of visual illustrators (that create beautiful artworks for releasing albums) revolving around a composer named Ryo. Ryo is merely a composer, and so the band does not officially have a vocalist. Supercell scouts for vocalists to sing for their albums and because they are not permanent, they can switch from album to album. Supercell released a single a few days ago called, Kokuhaku/Bokura no Ashiato. I was looking forward to its release and I was not disappointed with it.

The best song from this album (which is an ending theme for an anime): Bokura no Ashiato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-faMRAyuKs&feature=player_embedded


I love this band. Listening to their beautiful art made me reflect on K-pop.
I am a South Korean and due to this, I am very exposed to K-pop. My teenage sister is completely obsessed with K-pop to the point that it is unhealthy. I think it's normal however, for an Asian girl her age.

Forgive me for my opinion if you do not agree with it. I oppose K-pop.
"K-Pop" is actually a very broad term. I am not against music. That is ridiculous. I am just against the whole Idol "music" Industry. This cancer is taking over Korea and it is actually doing more harm to Korea than good.

Real music is slowly fading away from mainstream media in Korea. All air-time is becoming infested with naked dancers singing these auto-tuned jingles called, Hook Songs. It is becoming more and more difficult for real musicians to actually get attention in Korea. They are forced to remain underground. Korea's traditional and national music showcases are also a victim of this cancer. There is no more diversity in mainstream music. All songs showcased are these Idol groups, singing their individual 9 second bits on stage. It's becoming harder and harder for me to find new music in Korea.

That's not all, K-pop is one of the contributing factors to why Korea is socially superficial. When I heard that Korea is infested with plastic surgery, I thought it was just nonsense. I thought it was just exaggerated bullshit. I thought to myself, maybe it was just a rumour that jealous teenagers with low self esteem spread after looking at pretty Korean idols. Well, my aunt from Korea arrives here in Canada and she tells me about my home country. They weren't rumours. Apparently, these double eye-lid surgeries are common now, and teenagers can ask their parents for them as graduation presents. Some mothers refuse though, because they need to save the money for the surgeries that they will get for themselves, over their daughters. Oh, and Korean males probably use more cosmetic products than an average teenage girl here in Canada. In addition, K-pop idols were ranked as one of the most discussed topics amongst Korean citizens in Korea, next to cars and fashion, in this variety show that I watched where they surveyed the Korean public. I mean what the fuck? All this to fit in to the mould that the media in Korea created. Surgeries are no longer a taboo. You can reshape your face whenever you want with a knife, as long as you have the pocket money. It is sickening, and it has becoming a social norm too. If you do not look 'beautiful' in Korea, apparently you get second hand treatment from others. I am going to Korea this Summer, I pray that I will return home safely.

On a funny note:
I got to see a live K-pop performance at school. Our school held a talent show, and these group of smart girls thought that dancing to K-pop half-naked would win it. Oh, none of them were Korean by the way. They danced to a few songs. One of them was Change by HyunA, where they would pelvic thrust to the crowd wearing really short shorts. Long story short, cultural difference. The stage executives were pissed. The teachers were shocked. One of them left the auditorium in the middle of their performance. I heard two teachers sitting right in front of me talking garbage about the students. I couldn't blame them. It was awful, and as a Korean I was embarrassed by these non-Koreans dancing to music they couldn't even understand. After the show, they realized the stupidity of their actions and fell into depression. I felt bad for them, but they should have seen it coming.

Now these idols themselves are not bad. A few of them can legitimately sing. But in interviews, they often say things like how they wish to succeed in music, regardless of success or fame. Come on, they are nothing but tools used by their respective media corporations. There are so many Korean artists struggling because they decide not to be tools, but create real music.

I respect the Japanese band I was talking about earlier, Supercell, for many reasons. One is obviously Ryo, their talented composer for creating such beautiful lyrics. Second is their vocalists. Their voices are so unique and expressive, and their vocals fit perfectly to the emotions that the song is trying to convey. Furthermore, they don't show their faces to the media. Right, their music is judged for MUSIC only, not appearance.

I wish I can find good music in Korea. That is all I ask.


Wow that was fast, thanks alot

I somewhat agree with his post except for the surgery part and the post itself I feel is a bit exaggerated
http://myanimelist.net/profile/billng
Rickson
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
49 Posts
March 18 2012 08:25 GMT
#11
I don't know why you edited your post out.

Even though you might receive criticisms, your opinion is ultimately your opinion and as long as your following TL rules there's no reason to feel that just because people think you're wrong you should change your mind.

A lot of what you said contains merit but then again this is just how our world works, the things that generate the most money survive -which also applies in the music industry. Those slutty idol groups get the most attention, sponsorship and thus generate the most revenue. That's why they are prevailing and all other are falling, like it or not that's just how it is.

But i wouldn't call it a cancer.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
March 18 2012 09:04 GMT
#12
I for one love kpop. If you dont like it......listen to something else?
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Verror
Profile Joined March 2011
261 Posts
March 18 2012 09:25 GMT
#13
this is odd, i find a kpop blog where the only linked song is japanese, idk whether to laugh or smile
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 18 2012 09:51 GMT
#14
I'm just going to have to say, people calling kpop idols slutty is lol. Nowhere else could you find such a forced image of cute/naive/sheltered girls. Sometimes, it's even to the point where I, a big kpop fan, think it's a bit over the top.
On March 18 2012 16:36 rotinegg wrote:
let me ask you these: how old are you, and how long have you lived in korea? sounds like you cant be older than a highschool student, and you haven't lived in korea for very long at all, but correct me if im wrong. dont judge an entire culture after such a cursory glance at some of its most superficial elements, as it seems you have very little understanding of the inner workings that caused the surge in plastic surgery and the kpop phenomenon. im deeply offended, but personal feelings set aside, feel free to pm me if you want to discuss further.

Listen to this man, he knows.
Also, I much prefer kpop over the song you posted. However, I'm not angry or blaming Japanese culture and their people. I just prefer certain music. Opinions~~
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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
March 18 2012 09:52 GMT
#15
On March 18 2012 16:28 T.O.P. wrote:
Why were the teachers pissed at them singing a kpop song?

Maybe it was because of the apparently promiscuous dancing. Also, I don't think OP should have deleted his post, it doesn't really seem like major slander or anything.
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
March 18 2012 09:58 GMT
#16
On March 18 2012 18:25 Verror wrote:
this is odd, i find a kpop blog where the only linked song is japanese, idk whether to laugh or smile

laughing/smiling is pretty much the same thing. Reading is a good idea too, because there's an explanation behind the Japanese song.

@OP: I understand your problem, but there are people that really like K-pop, it's a matter of taste. Besides, the more you hear a song, the more you're going to like it. I disliked K-pop as much as I dislike regular pop, but after a while it grew on me and I can listen to it without pulling my hair out now.
Your point is probably more about the culture around it then the music itself. I agree with you on this, it's completely ridiculous. You see the same sort of thing in America though, just on a smaller schale. Children getting a car on their 16th, from my viewpoint it's weird, but I suppose it's 'normal' in the US (disclaimer: I haven't been to the US, my statements are based on what I've seen/heard and thus can be wrong and misinformed, they probably are).
Every country has it's weird cultural things and culture changes over time. This phase will probably end sometime, it's just that nobody knows when :').
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Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
March 18 2012 10:42 GMT
#17
What do you have against plastic surgery?
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 10:44:33
March 18 2012 10:43 GMT
#18
Why would you choose the Black Rock Shooter ED to showcase Supercell? It's easily one of their crapper songs, shame on you.

1/5
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 11:13:29
March 18 2012 10:44 GMT
#19
Obviously the best choice is Guilty Crown OP1!
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DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 10:53:00
March 18 2012 10:52 GMT
#20
Lies, the GC insert Euterpe is the best song of the series

Overall Supercell songs though its a tie between these two



and

Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
March 18 2012 13:45 GMT
#21
YG for life baby! I consider myself a YG warrior, I stand tall in the face of all those who despise it ! MUAHAHAHHHA
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 18 2012 13:54 GMT
#22
On March 18 2012 16:36 rotinegg wrote:
let me ask you these: how old are you, and how long have you lived in korea? sounds like you cant be older than a highschool student, and you haven't lived in korea for very long at all, but correct me if im wrong. dont judge an entire culture after such a cursory glance at some of its most superficial elements, as it seems you have very little understanding of the inner workings that caused the surge in plastic surgery and the kpop phenomenon. im deeply offended, but personal feelings set aside, feel free to pm me if you want to discuss further.


can you elaborate on this?
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 18 2012 14:23 GMT
#23
in b4 Blastarion grills you on your choice of song.
WriterXiao8~~
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
March 18 2012 15:30 GMT
#24
Kpop is one of those things that you just can't rub in people's faces and expect a positive, or even neutral reaction. You kind of have to treat it as a guilty pleasure if you're into it, because people (except for some reason most chinese people i meet >.>) generally treat it as trash. Oh well. Just like fans of any other genre of music, those of us that are into it should keep it to ourselves, and those not into it should let us enjoy our trashy terrible uninspired noise.

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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 18 2012 15:40 GMT
#25
So OP managed to insult both kpop fans but also Supercell fans... Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari etches out the win for me simply because I like the instrumental score more but that's a personal reason.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 15:58:09
March 18 2012 15:50 GMT
#26
Kpop sucks major ass... my 0,1 cents... lol

Here's my opinion:
I hate when a culture like Korean, totally adopts a foreign way of expressing themselves, that's not natural to them. When I listen to K-pop, most of it sounds like a melody stolen from some trashy American/Western Europe songs, translated onto Korean by some Narrator software that uses a girls voice. I don't know much about Eastern Cultures, but I can sense it's transplanted from somewhere and that it's not authentic.

I can recognize that same shit in Croatia, and I hate it when it happens too.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 19 2012 05:36 GMT
#27
On March 19 2012 00:50 niteReloaded wrote:
Kpop sucks major ass... my 0,1 cents... lol

Here's my opinion:
I hate when a culture like Korean, totally adopts a foreign way of expressing themselves, that's not natural to them. When I listen to K-pop, most of it sounds like a melody stolen from some trashy American/Western Europe songs, translated onto Korean by some Narrator software that uses a girls voice. I don't know much about Eastern Cultures, but I can sense it's transplanted from somewhere and that it's not authentic.

I can recognize that same shit in Croatia, and I hate it when it happens too.

Dude it's like music from the 90's US. Best time. Backstreet boys, NSync, old Britney Spears..
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