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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
February 16 2012 00:36 GMT
#21
running a /commercial every 5 minutes tends to make you want to turn on adblock

or just stop viewing the stream altogether
starleague forever
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
February 16 2012 00:57 GMT
#22
Just like how DVR/TiVO killed television right?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13893 Posts
February 16 2012 01:00 GMT
#23
On February 16 2012 09:57 Silidons wrote:
Just like how DVR/TiVO killed television right?


TV is dieing as a media actualy.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
February 16 2012 01:03 GMT
#24
I use Noscript, but like 80% of the time I see ads so I don't consider it to be too bad.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
February 16 2012 01:05 GMT
#25
On February 16 2012 10:00 sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 09:57 Silidons wrote:
Just like how DVR/TiVO killed television right?


TV is dieing as a media actualy.

only because of the internet. nothing to do with commercials.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
February 16 2012 01:06 GMT
#26
People need to stop harking on the OP. Esports isn't some multibillion dollar industry and the fact that adblock can negate 30-40% of revenue for streamers is a big deal when they don't get by on much.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 01:08 GMT
#27
On February 16 2012 09:57 Silidons wrote:
Just like how DVR/TiVO killed television right?


You actually make a good point... sort of. While I do agree that DVR makes it so you can skip commercials, tv shows have gotten to a point that it doesn't matter if people watch commercials or not. Making these allusions to TV don't really work because you're talking about an established industry that has been around for AT LEAST 20+ years. Streaming has only really been popular in the past couple of years.

That's why I think it's silly that people come up with comparisions of TV and Streaming - One has been around for 20 years so saying that not watching commercials on TV is like not watching commercials on a stream are completely different.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 01:09 GMT
#28
On February 16 2012 09:36 a176 wrote:
running a /commercial every 5 minutes tends to make you want to turn on adblock

or just stop viewing the stream altogether


But that's an issue with the streamers, not the ads themselves. I think it's important to realize the difference because if it was automatic, then I think your point would be more relevant. But at the moment (from what I've seen anyway) it all depends on the streamer. So blaming the ads, and getting AdBlock is only avoiding the problem - not addressing or fixing it.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 01:13:40
February 16 2012 01:12 GMT
#29
The elephant tears! Stop them! They make me cry too!

I just hate justin.tv commercials because apparently my region only has ONE ad. It's a cogeco internet ad (which I already fucking have, haha) so it see it over and over. And over. And over. If they run multiple commercials I see it multiple times.

So please, Twitch, get more sponsors from my region. Because I already bought the thing that you're advertising at me. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM MEEE
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 16 2012 02:16 GMT
#30
Money doesn't make ESPORTS happen! ESPORTS is made of pure love and rainbows!
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
February 16 2012 02:40 GMT
#31
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 16 2012 02:48 GMT
#32
On February 16 2012 11:40 matiK23 wrote:
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.

I don't want to hear the same loud silly dialog three times in a row while I browse and do other things while the matchmaker is finding a game. I think you'd have to be a sucker to just be fine with it.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 03:44 GMT
#33
On February 16 2012 11:48 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 11:40 matiK23 wrote:
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.

I don't want to hear the same loud silly dialog three times in a row while I browse and do other things while the matchmaker is finding a game. I think you'd have to be a sucker to just be fine with it.


I would only be a sucker if I didn't realize the real world situation at hand. It's not like I'm sitting there idly supporting something I don't care for. I'm support the stream that I'm watching, that's why I let the ad play the "same loud silly dialog three times in a row." Because it doesn't mean anything. I know the purpose of the ad is purely to support whoever's stream I'm watching. I'm not just being suckered into wasting my previous ear seconds for something that I don't really care about.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
newvsoldschool
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
428 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 05:10:49
February 16 2012 05:09 GMT
#34
Ads are a major, and sometimes ONLY source of income for many online-derived businesses. I believe the next paradigm shift for earning money online is by selling physical goods and thus an online store for the site. You can't tell people to not block their ads because the computer-savvy ones will, regardless.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas, Brood War Progamer
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 16 2012 06:38 GMT
#35
On February 16 2012 12:44 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 11:48 Djzapz wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:40 matiK23 wrote:
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.

I don't want to hear the same loud silly dialog three times in a row while I browse and do other things while the matchmaker is finding a game. I think you'd have to be a sucker to just be fine with it.


I would only be a sucker if I didn't realize the real world situation at hand. It's not like I'm sitting there idly supporting something I don't care for. I'm support the stream that I'm watching, that's why I let the ad play the "same loud silly dialog three times in a row." Because it doesn't mean anything. I know the purpose of the ad is purely to support whoever's stream I'm watching. I'm not just being suckered into wasting my previous ear seconds for something that I don't really care about.

Consider that making me watch the same ad 3 times in a row is not only disrespectful to me, but it will make me actively AVOID the product that's being advertised. Do you really think Own3d.tv DESERVES the money they get from showing me the same ad over and over again? There are diminishing returns at work here.

Showing me the same ****ing thing sometimes hundreds of times in bursts of 3 back-to-back ads is not what the advertiser intended. I'm sure Finish Quantum did not intend to quite literally spam me, and I'm pretty sure any marketing firms realize that it's not the optimal way to spend their money. I would consider that showing me the same ad sometimes around 10 times an hour, own3d.tv is "stealing" money from the advertisers with their dishonest practice.

It can be argued that it's not their fault because maybe they just don't pay attention to zones which only have one ad, I don't know. What I can tell you though is if I put an ad of my company in own3d.tv's hands and I was made aware that some people got my ad 3 times in a row and I have to PAY to expose a person to a loop of ONE ad, I wouldn't be too happy with that partnership.

As long as Own3d.tv decides to disrespect the advertisers and myself, I'll protest quietly. And if a streamer clicks the "show 3 ads" button anyway, I'm probably not going to be a fan for very long.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#36
On February 16 2012 14:09 newvsoldschool wrote:
Ads are a major, and sometimes ONLY source of income for many online-derived businesses. I believe the next paradigm shift for earning money online is by selling physical goods and thus an online store for the site. You can't tell people to not block their ads because the computer-savvy ones will, regardless.


I'm not telling people not to - I'm saying that if you're complaining about PPV and you're one of those people who uses AdBlock on streams, then you either keep AdBlock on and don't complain, or you turn AdBlock off then start complaining. You can't have both. The two sentiments contradict each other.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
February 16 2012 20:45 GMT
#37
On February 16 2012 15:38 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 12:44 hoby2000 wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:48 Djzapz wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:40 matiK23 wrote:
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.

I don't want to hear the same loud silly dialog three times in a row while I browse and do other things while the matchmaker is finding a game. I think you'd have to be a sucker to just be fine with it.


I would only be a sucker if I didn't realize the real world situation at hand. It's not like I'm sitting there idly supporting something I don't care for. I'm support the stream that I'm watching, that's why I let the ad play the "same loud silly dialog three times in a row." Because it doesn't mean anything. I know the purpose of the ad is purely to support whoever's stream I'm watching. I'm not just being suckered into wasting my previous ear seconds for something that I don't really care about.

Consider that making me watch the same ad 3 times in a row is not only disrespectful to me, but it will make me actively AVOID the product that's being advertised. Do you really think Own3d.tv DESERVES the money they get from showing me the same ad over and over again? There are diminishing returns at work here.

Showing me the same ****ing thing sometimes hundreds of times in bursts of 3 back-to-back ads is not what the advertiser intended. I'm sure Finish Quantum did not intend to quite literally spam me, and I'm pretty sure any marketing firms realize that it's not the optimal way to spend their money. I would consider that showing me the same ad sometimes around 10 times an hour, own3d.tv is "stealing" money from the advertisers with their dishonest practice.

It can be argued that it's not their fault because maybe they just don't pay attention to zones which only have one ad, I don't know. What I can tell you though is if I put an ad of my company in own3d.tv's hands and I was made aware that some people got my ad 3 times in a row and I have to PAY to expose a person to a loop of ONE ad, I wouldn't be too happy with that partnership.

As long as Own3d.tv decides to disrespect the advertisers and myself, I'll protest quietly. And if a streamer clicks the "show 3 ads" button anyway, I'm probably not going to be a fan for very long.



You're basically saying that an Ad being played 3 times in a row is disrespectful to you... which I can't change, but this sentiment IN MY OPINION is silly - I mean, I understand that it's annoying, but it's literally 30 seconds of your life. Owned.TV isn't the only one earning money from these ads, the person streaming also earns money.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 22:07:52
February 16 2012 21:04 GMT
#38
On February 17 2012 05:45 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 15:38 Djzapz wrote:
On February 16 2012 12:44 hoby2000 wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:48 Djzapz wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:40 matiK23 wrote:
I never really understood why people even made such hissy fit over ads. They're put on between and queuing up matches. You mean to tell me you don't want to waste 10-30 seconds of ads because you want to stare at a screen while matchmaker finds a game for the streamer you are watching?

It's so fucking stupid. Lol at first world problems, seriously.

I don't want to hear the same loud silly dialog three times in a row while I browse and do other things while the matchmaker is finding a game. I think you'd have to be a sucker to just be fine with it.


I would only be a sucker if I didn't realize the real world situation at hand. It's not like I'm sitting there idly supporting something I don't care for. I'm support the stream that I'm watching, that's why I let the ad play the "same loud silly dialog three times in a row." Because it doesn't mean anything. I know the purpose of the ad is purely to support whoever's stream I'm watching. I'm not just being suckered into wasting my previous ear seconds for something that I don't really care about.

Consider that making me watch the same ad 3 times in a row is not only disrespectful to me, but it will make me actively AVOID the product that's being advertised. Do you really think Own3d.tv DESERVES the money they get from showing me the same ad over and over again? There are diminishing returns at work here.

Showing me the same ****ing thing sometimes hundreds of times in bursts of 3 back-to-back ads is not what the advertiser intended. I'm sure Finish Quantum did not intend to quite literally spam me, and I'm pretty sure any marketing firms realize that it's not the optimal way to spend their money. I would consider that showing me the same ad sometimes around 10 times an hour, own3d.tv is "stealing" money from the advertisers with their dishonest practice.

It can be argued that it's not their fault because maybe they just don't pay attention to zones which only have one ad, I don't know. What I can tell you though is if I put an ad of my company in own3d.tv's hands and I was made aware that some people got my ad 3 times in a row and I have to PAY to expose a person to a loop of ONE ad, I wouldn't be too happy with that partnership.

As long as Own3d.tv decides to disrespect the advertisers and myself, I'll protest quietly. And if a streamer clicks the "show 3 ads" button anyway, I'm probably not going to be a fan for very long.



You're basically saying that an Ad being played 3 times in a row is disrespectful to you... which I can't change, but this sentiment IN MY OPINION is silly - I mean, I understand that it's annoying, but it's literally 30 seconds of your life. Owned.TV isn't the only one earning money from these ads, the person streaming also earns money.

Ads generally last 30 seconds, when they play 3 times in a row that's roughly 90 seconds. Ownedtv earns** money maybe for the first ad because it exposes me to the product, then it steals money from the advertiser (IMO) for the next 2 ads which do NOT expose me nor do they remind me of it. Then, the person streaming gets half the money, 2/3 of which is acquired by shoddy business practices.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 16 2012 21:59 GMT
#39
TLO Adblocks TL.net on his stream. He's viewing the forums, with ads blocked.

I mean, If he can, we can.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 16 2012 22:31 GMT
#40
On February 17 2012 06:59 darkscream wrote:
TLO Adblocks TL.net on his stream. He's viewing the forums, with ads blocked.

I mean, If he can, we can.


Do what you want, not because a celebrity does something.
OT: i'll addblock every site/streamer and give money to those who provide really valuable content and an opportunity to do a donation. Simply it seems to require to much brain power for a lot of people to provide an alternative instead of the mainstream model based on adds.
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