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Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
March 02 2012 13:36 GMT
#41
On February 15 2012 02:34 Chill wrote:
TSL 4 will rise from the shadows cast by a $20 bill.


Get out...
Resistance ain't futile
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 17:03:55
March 02 2012 17:02 GMT
#42
I have to share the sentiment that while TSL3 was a sick awesome tournament in it's own right; it was TSL2 that really has been the best one to date.

Just fantastic games with epic storylines (IdrA v NonY) both for seed and in Ro8, JF coming back, Mondragon coming back and tearing into the finals; and then just insanely epic games like GosI[Terran]'s unreal hold against JF on outsider.

To be honest TSL2 might be the high point of my entire starcraft viewing experience. That tournament was THAT good.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
March 02 2012 20:34 GMT
#43
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
March 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#44
On March 03 2012 05:34 Game wrote:
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.


I don't think you want to know.
Brood War is forever
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
March 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#45
On March 03 2012 05:37 scDeluX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:34 Game wrote:
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.


I don't think you want to know.

Wouldn't have posted if I didn't.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 02 2012 20:46 GMT
#46
On March 03 2012 05:37 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:37 scDeluX wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:34 Game wrote:
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.


I don't think you want to know.

Wouldn't have posted if I didn't.


It would be sc2 no contest. It shouldn't be surprising either considering sc2 has a much bigger fanbase on tl then bw (I love both games btw but it is true). I don't see most people who play sc2/watch sc2 to vote for BW.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
March 02 2012 20:50 GMT
#47
On March 03 2012 05:46 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:37 Game wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:37 scDeluX wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:34 Game wrote:
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.


I don't think you want to know.

Wouldn't have posted if I didn't.


It would be sc2 no contest. It shouldn't be surprising either considering sc2 has a much bigger fanbase on tl then bw (I love both games btw but it is true). I don't see most people who play sc2/watch sc2 to vote for BW.

People who play SC2 watch the BW Korean pros, I don't see why they wouldn't want to see it in BW...

1) TSL2 is pretty much unanimously considered the best of the TSL (except by those who didn't see it = can be disregarded)
2) They'll be able to watch SC2 every day regardless if they choose to have TSL as SC2 or BW, it'll just be another tournament.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 02 2012 20:58 GMT
#48
On March 03 2012 05:50 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:46 blade55555 wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:37 Game wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:37 scDeluX wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:34 Game wrote:
I'd love to see a SC2 vs BW poll to see what the community wants TSL4 to be.


I don't think you want to know.

Wouldn't have posted if I didn't.


It would be sc2 no contest. It shouldn't be surprising either considering sc2 has a much bigger fanbase on tl then bw (I love both games btw but it is true). I don't see most people who play sc2/watch sc2 to vote for BW.

People who play SC2 watch the BW Korean pros, I don't see why they wouldn't want to see it in BW...

1) TSL2 is pretty much unanimously considered the best of the TSL (except by those who didn't see it = can be disregarded)
2) They'll be able to watch SC2 every day regardless if they choose to have TSL as SC2 or BW, it'll just be another tournament.


You also have to realize though that sc2 players don't watch foreign pro's. So sc2 players/viewers won't want to watch a tournament where they know absolutely nothing about the players.

If you look at viewers for bw tournaments I don't see that many a couple thousand on the streams is all I have seen whenever I glance at the viewers for a bw foreign tournament which only makes me believe more that there is no way the sc2 community would vote for bw.

I loved TSL2 as well I agree with you but if there were a vote I would be 99.9% positive sc2 would win by a landslide. If it didn't my mind would blow from shock.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
March 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#49
I agree with blade. There's no reason for a BW TSL, something like 75-80% of the site would be kinda of alienated....

TSL was a great community event, it makes a ton more sense for TSL4 to be an SC2 event...not only is there far higher SC2 viewers/fans on the site, but there is a HUGE number of way more popular/famous/well-known players in SC2 than in BW right now (no offense to BW Foreigners still playing! :D)

As much as I'd love a BW TSL, without all the super famous and well-known community members playing in it (Nony, Idra, Mondragon, Iefniaj, so on) the TSL charm is kind of missing in BW-land. :D
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 02 2012 21:06 GMT
#50
If the prize pool was sufficiently big, I think quite a few sc2 foreign pro would try their hand again at it, and it could bring in some viewers.
Anyway sponsorship would be impossible to come by in my opinion, and I don't think the staff really wish it overall. And yeah, it probably wouldn't be the greatest success. That being said, I'm not sure how a SC2 TSL4 would fare either. Seems to be a really harsh competition in sc2 atm...
As for a poll, depends where you post it. On the front page, bw would probably get destroyed, in blog, it would surely lose, but not that much.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 21:13:47
March 02 2012 21:13 GMT
#51
I doubt any other TSL will ever be better than TSL 2, but still...

What about a BW TSL All Stars then, as a separated event?

Featuring Nony, Ret, Idra, Jianfei, Mondragon, White_ra so many other foreigns... and hell, we could even get Boxer, Nada and July now.

Then make TSL 4 a SC2 event.

We can always dream, even though it will never become true.



About the poll, its kind obvious that SC2 fans will spam vote and win the poll with ease. TL population changed a lot from what it was 3 years ago...
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
March 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#52
I would love to watch a throw-back tournament haha. All the former BW gosus playing in a BW tournament for some fun :p That'd be entertaining. Was watching Luckyfool (who was like a C+/B- player iirc) play BW for a few days just to take a break from SC2 and he was hilarious to watch...messing up hotkeys, messing up control groups, forgetting SCVs when he was in auto-pilot due to big engagement...haha

SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
March 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#53
Despite being a much bigger BW fan than SC2 fan, I loved Thorzains run much better than Nonys.
I'm an old man now
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
March 03 2012 01:02 GMT
#54
BW vs SC 2 debate incoming. It's been a long time. Let me fetch some popcorn I have left.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 03 2012 01:26 GMT
#55
As cool as it would be for there to be another BW TSL, there is just no way it would happen. A much smaller BW tournament hosted by TL would be cool though. Or bringing back kind of the hill or any of those fun events. TSL4 seems kinda pointless... What would separate it from a million other foreign tournaments? TSL to me stands for being the lone prestigious foreign tournament.. That's how the project originally began. It would be a shame to see it just be another tournament with nothing special or particularly exciting about it. Up to TLHQ what they want it to mean from now on though, of course.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 08 2012 05:23 GMT
#56
On March 03 2012 10:26 Chef wrote:
As cool as it would be for there to be another BW TSL, there is just no way it would happen. A much smaller BW tournament hosted by TL would be cool though. Or bringing back kind of the hill or any of those fun events. TSL4 seems kinda pointless... What would separate it from a million other foreign tournaments? TSL to me stands for being the lone prestigious foreign tournament.. That's how the project originally began. It would be a shame to see it just be another tournament with nothing special or particularly exciting about it. Up to TLHQ what they want it to mean from now on though, of course.


Admittedly it would not be the lone, and possibly not even the most, prestigious SC2 tournament. However, part of what made TSL unique and fun for me is the way it was played out over the course of several months, the drama leading up, the ins/outs day by day of ladder qualifying, hype leading up to matches.

Other tournaments like GSL have traces of this but nothing like what TSL does for me. I don't thing I have ever enjoyed an entire tournament (including OSL/MSL) more than I did TSL2 and to a lesser extent TSL3.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 05:44:13
March 08 2012 05:43 GMT
#57
On March 08 2012 14:23 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 10:26 Chef wrote:
As cool as it would be for there to be another BW TSL, there is just no way it would happen. A much smaller BW tournament hosted by TL would be cool though. Or bringing back kind of the hill or any of those fun events. TSL4 seems kinda pointless... What would separate it from a million other foreign tournaments? TSL to me stands for being the lone prestigious foreign tournament.. That's how the project originally began. It would be a shame to see it just be another tournament with nothing special or particularly exciting about it. Up to TLHQ what they want it to mean from now on though, of course.


Admittedly it would not be the lone, and possibly not even the most, prestigious SC2 tournament. However, part of what made TSL unique and fun for me is the way it was played out over the course of several months, the drama leading up, the ins/outs day by day of ladder qualifying, hype leading up to matches.

Other tournaments like GSL have traces of this but nothing like what TSL does for me. I don't thing I have ever enjoyed an entire tournament (including OSL/MSL) more than I did TSL2 and to a lesser extent TSL3.


Agreed. It's one thing I really love about the TSL, is it's qualifiers. It's not mainly invite focused (although last TSL obviously had some) but there were still plenty of qualifiers. Now of days almost no tournaments do it like TSL1-3. There may be qualifiers for 1-2 spots but that's it. It's why I really want the TSL4, another qualifier only tournament, no invites, no special treatment, best of the best get in.

The way they do it is also amazing, interviews, goes for a couple months and just so exciting. Ah how I hope TSL4 does happen though (assuming they stick with mainly qualifiers and not 3/4'ths invites like most tournaments :/.)
When I think of something else, something will go here
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5566 Posts
March 08 2012 06:03 GMT
#58
I remember we never got the nongminzerg Liquibition after TSL2 since SC2 kicked off I guess.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
March 08 2012 08:54 GMT
#59
1 day after the end of the world
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 08 2012 09:10 GMT
#60
On February 15 2012 02:23 tree.hugger wrote:
Does the community really want TSL4?

Just got off the phone with Troy and Abed and yes, they do want TSL4.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
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