EP5: eSports Production Value: NASL Season 2 Final - Page 3

Clank

United States548 Posts

January 24 2012 04:49 GMT

#41

wow, glad this was spotlighted as I hadn't seen this series before and Im definitely gonna watch the previous 5 episodes. Having someone explain to you the details of what you felt was wrong in general, but didnt know what it was exactly is really cool.

AlternativeEgo

Sweden17309 Posts

January 24 2012 05:24 GMT

#42

I really like this serie. It enriches the viewing experience, making me more aware of and appreciative of the productional part (I hope that translation made sense :D ). Oh, and I recommend you to try the Swedish gin from Nils Oscar.

Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

January 24 2012 06:16 GMT

#43

On January 24 2012 13:04 itsjustatank wrote:

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Thank you very much for the compliment! I'm just starting out and as such it was a very pleasant surprise seeing that photo in your video.

Regarding your video itself, I always thought that the underexposed background behind the casters of the NASL grand finals was an intentional move on their part. I think they were trying to hedge against the ability of people situated behind the caster desk to distract viewer attention from the casters themselves, while still being able to place the casters in a physically unique position at the event itself for its live spectator audience. Whether or not it was aesthetically pleasing is another issue entirely however, and I fully agree with your suggestions on that point.

In addition, most of us who attended the event agreed that the crowd should have perhaps been encouraged to crowd around the red carpet as players made their entrances. After a day or so people finally got the idea on their own, but perhaps it could have been something solved earlier through some intervention.

Your video series as a whole has been greatly informative, please keep doing more. Might I suggest that you take a look at the recent CSL Regional LAN that was held at UC Irvine this past weekend? I feel that those guys ran an awesome tournament and stream that deserves some time in the spotlight.

Agreeeeeeeed! It would be interesting to get some opinions on it. Obviously the first live event of this caliber I've hosted myself.

Stuff I know can be improved on: (the banner behind the caster desk could/should have been lowered to get rid of the white space. Also, lots of clutter on the desks and such could have been cleaned up. Any other words for future LAN events would be quite awesome, will definitely work to incorporate

moge

United States124 Posts

January 24 2012 13:30 GMT

#44

@AlternativeEgo Always looking for new gin

Thanks for the tip on CSL @itsjustatank !

@Xeris, I'll take a look at CSL. I saw bits of the matches this weekend but none of the casting. If you ever have any questions just PM me, would love to help out where I can.

FlippoManiacs

Germany2 Posts

January 24 2012 15:37 GMT

#45

To be honest i think it would have been better to pick the new NASL season as showcased in the NASTL. It would have been easier for you and would have allowed you to pick less obvious spots to talk about. I think the not so obvious things are what make this series very very good. Anyways still a good episode but not as exciting for me as the former ones.

What happened to the Gin speech?

TheTurk

United States732 Posts

January 24 2012 17:34 GMT

#46

You're such a good guy Jason.
And incredibly well versed in your area of expertise.
Please please keep them coming.
These are so informative, not to mention entertaining. :D
Mad love. <3

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 24 2012 18:00 GMT

#47

This is good, I actually like this more because unlike the last episode I saw, this one actually has some good and bad to enlist and we are looking at the production value of a much smaller budget and less professional crew (in comparison to Blizzard's over-the-top production of their events).

So watching this I actually enjoyed this despite the downward tone and your personal dislike of it. I really didn't enjoy the first 5 minutes being about the discrepenacies; making sure you don't step on any toes or that you wanted to underline or highlight what you may say is bad or good, hateful or just bluntness. I suppose it had to be done, but perhaps maybe there could be some things left out given that it's a huge chunk of your time and it eventually just dulls the viewer (at least for me a bit).

I think it's good that you make the distinguish viewpoint of the audience and the online spectator because yeah, the event, through the pictures looked absolutely superb, but when we saw it through the moving lens of the main cameraman, it looked so bare, empty and even a bit dull. Big garage, beetle car so to speak.

Good point on the cameraman by the way. There should be on an emphasis on just how much the main camera needed work because even during the interview, it was a fidgety camera and it really got annoyed and felt that the whole professional events dimmed to just an amateur one with a lot of money.

Yes to the red carpet, it gave interaction, customization and adding personal touch to the players and NASL. I'm surprised that my ideas are so similar to yours. I was thinking the same about the camera shot being down in front on the player and thus putting more foucs on the player, letting light have a more reflective emphasis and removing the fear or confirming the notion that there was no one there on Day 1 (and thus leading people to assume that this event was over-budgeted for nearly no attendees).

Good episode, felt it could have been a bit more in-depth, but maybe I expected too much and it wasn't your goal.
Really liked it, can't wait for ep. 7

moge

United States124 Posts

January 24 2012 18:20 GMT

#48

On January 25 2012 03:00 Torte de Lini wrote:
So watching this I actually enjoyed this despite the downward tone and your personal dislike of it. I really didn't enjoy the first 5 minutes being about the discrepenacies; making sure you don't step on any toes or that you wanted to underline or highlight what you may say is bad or good, hateful or just bluntness. I suppose it had to be done, but perhaps maybe there could be some things left out given that it's a huge chunk of your time and it eventually just dulls the viewer (at least for me a bit).

Yep, I agree. I think that is my personal main takeaway from doing this ep; trust what I am saying and know it is coming from a good place. This being the first episode where I gave some harsh critique I was a little wary.

Gretorp pointed out in an earlier post that there is a distinction between being critical to hurt and criticizing to help. So long as I stay on the side of helping I'll be less wishy-washy in future episodes.

Next week, BTW will be IEM Kiev

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

January 24 2012 18:47 GMT

#49

Ooh, that's going to be a good one. Good stuff, I think you only need to make disclaimers like in this episode before people know you and only if you look like you have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, in every episode you try and even the good and the bad out with the bad also having alternative or suggestions to make. With that being done, why bother making sure you're not hurting anyone by saying what you're saying, y'know?

You already know this, but shoot; might as well just say it out loud haha!

Good stuff, next week yes!

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

January 24 2012 18:51 GMT

#50

I absolutely love this series. I love the way you approach it and the scope of what you talk about, and how you don't try to overstretch your bounds (such as with the sound issues.)

Xeris

Iran17695 Posts

January 24 2012 19:33 GMT

#51

The only bad thing about IEM in my opinion is that they never show the players... (at least from IEM's I've seen), or maybe I'm wrong. Whenever I watch IEM, it's just...

Game screen --> cut to caster desk after the game --> cut back to game when the next game starts.

They have a random still camera in the place they get shots of too sometimes. Seems like an uber setup for such a big event!

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

January 24 2012 19:47 GMT

#52

IEM is the one Major that I do not recommend barcrafts to tune in. Its reliability, consistence, and ability to generate engaging storyline make it difficult to consider barcraft ready. Really have no clue where IEM can change to fix that though.

moge

United States124 Posts

January 24 2012 19:57 GMT

#53

@Xeris I do agree with you. I think they did a much better job showing the players last weekend, though. They had great camera setups on the players before matches. I do agree that the grandeur of the space was missing. They had a phenomenal space, would have liked to have seen it more.

On January 25 2012 04:47 Primadog wrote:
IEM is the one Major that I do not recommend barcrafts to tune in. Its reliability, consistence, and ability to generate engaging storyline make it difficult to consider barcraft ready. Really have no clue where IEM can change to fix that though.

Interesting point. Not sure I quite get what you mean though. Can you expound? You can PM me if you don't want to post it here. Would be interested in hearing more on this.