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Wanted to ladder a bit....and got matched with 5 Protoss in a row...4 losses.
I just hate this matchup. I'm losing to Gold ranked players. ('Im Platinum btw) I don't know what to do, it's so retarded that words cannot describe it. You cannot expand, every attack is potentially lethal, units are bland and dull (why don't we have reaver...or something the equivalent of Reaver instead of the retarded cliff walker) It is not fun to play.
It's not that other mirror matchups are great either. TvT is perhaps the best out of three but it's still mind draining 50min position wars. which leave me mentally fucked up after each match. ZvZ is all about who can flip the coin better. All mirror matchups suck ass. It is really stupid to me, when all the game is about 3 different races and how their differences interact with each other, to have same races play again each other. I would die for an option to block mirror matchups and just play versus a different race.
Yeah..fuck this game. Mirror matchups are not fun to play at all. I don't care if they are balanced or imbalanced, interesting or bland, but still at the end, it's not fun to play them. Period.
 
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i heard there are reavers in bw
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Being a coinflip matchup with both players doing some build and crossing their fingers for his opponent not doing the build that counters their build, ZvZ is still the best MM. It's not that you take half the map and wait until your opponent unsieges first and still you can expand.
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I often times wish ladder would allow you to accept or reject certain matchups (limited number of times per day)
This way you can narrow down and practice against your weakest matchup.
Nothing's worse than just losing a ZvT and then getting the next 8 matches be zvz.
It's like...there's no closure...
You can also do what I do and quit all your mirrors on certain days.
Yea....my ranking varies wildly from platinum to bronze because of this
:D
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All this post proves is that you have no understanding whatsoever of the mirror matchups. Stop being such a whiny bitch and learn to play them. Just get some pro replays and copy them.
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I remember seeing a thread in strategy about a build that would never die to four gate, perhaps try that out?
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I half agree with you. Obviously you can't stop having mirror matchups, but Blizzard should put something in battle net that stops you being matched up against the same race a certain amount of times.
I am a mid-high masters player, and it seems to be that that whole section of players are just protoss players. So far I have had a streak of 7 PvP's in a row. It's simply just not fun to play that many PvP's. In the last week of laddering at least 70% of my games have been PvP's, which has caused me to now switch to zerg. Yes mirror matchups are boring, but the real problem is that fact that there is no system in place stopping you from playing them over and over again.
Like I said, 7 PvP's in a row on ladder is enough to make anyone not want to play the game anymore.
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ZvZ isn't a coin flip. 14/14 is always safe and hatch first doesn't give any form of game ending advantage, so hatch first is not a coin flip win vs 14/14. 10 pool however is a coin flip win vs hatch first. Therefor, if you always go 14/14, you deny the coinflippage.
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On January 12 2012 19:00 Snaiil wrote:
All this post proves is that you have no understanding whatsoever of the mirror matchups. Stop being such a whiny bitch and learn to play them. Just get some pro replays and copy them.
He pretty much said that he doesn't understand the matchups. I don't see the need to be rude. I don't think I'll ever enjoy ZvZ, regardless of how good/bad I am at it, I just feel that it's rubbish to watch, rubbish to play, and volatile as hell.
I wish I could racepick the matchups on ladder, but it's never going to happen.
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I 100% agree, I cannot stand mirror matches, I play random and just leave every match that is a mirror match right at the begining.
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On January 12 2012 19:01 FinestHour wrote:
I remember seeing a thread in strategy about a build that would never die to four gate, perhaps try that out?
I can hold off a 4-gate, I just don't know what to do after.
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Holy shit Inca.
...and then oh shit Inca. -__-
Whoops, wrong thread. Somehow appropriate though lol.
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Having played all 3 MM I have to say TvT is the most intresting one. Although ZvZ with infestors can be a lot of fun.
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I'm not sure where all the "2hr long siege tanks inching forward 1by1" TvT ideas are coming from. You can go bio and try to outplay your opponent, marine-tank aggressively (very intense. My favorite games to do), or mech, which still requires that you harass with BFH. When a game DOES get drawn out, it's a race for the skies with vikings, ravens, and BC goodness.
But yeah, PvP is bs. =/ One of the many reasons I play terran.....
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Adelscotts 2 gate. All that is needed is good macro / multitasking and you expand quite early and always have the economic advantage with little risk.
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On January 12 2012 18:58 Djagulingu wrote:
Being a coinflip matchup with both players doing some build and crossing their fingers for his opponent not doing the build that counters their build, ZvZ is still the best MM. It's not that you take half the map and wait until your opponent unsieges first and still you can expand.
? PvP isn't so much a coinflip anymore, and TvT is by far the best match-up [in the game] in terms of balance, even most P/Z progamers would say this.
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I think of PvP like walking a tightrope. With your friend racing you on his own tightrope. Armed with shotguns.
One wrong move and you cop a shotgun shell to the torso and fall to your death.
The true art of PvP is knowing when your opponent has fucked up (eg got himself supply blocked) so you can finidh him off. Also you have to make sure that you yourself dotn race ahead (eg taking en expo or overteching) otherwise you will be in sight for the perfect buckshot (a full warp in into your base) and make sure that you return the favor if he tries the same.
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On January 12 2012 19:59 Talin wrote:
Holy shit Inca.
...and then oh shit Inca. -__-
Whoops, wrong thread. Somehow appropriate though lol.
This post intrigues me, where were you initally intending to post at?
Also, I hear broodwar mirror matchups are the most frustrating things in the world.
But really I hate mirror matchups in every game as well and they're boring as.
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Bar roach infestor vs Roach infestor, I like ZvZ, TvT is awesome, I honestly can't understand why people don't like it. PvP... meh.
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I totally agree.
T is so overpowered in TvT, and P in PvP is just imba. Don't even get me started on ZvZ, Z can have so many units so fast, it's really hard to deal with.
Honestly though, once you improve your understanding of the game mirrors can become pretty fun.
TvT is my favorite matchup, with PvP a close second. There are so many different ways to play - keep your mind open to different playstyles, solidified matchups are often the ones that change the most when they do!
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